GupShup Forums - View Single Post

Pathani · Aug 14th, 2007, 12:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bhenjee

ok so pathani, first n foremost, MY UPPER-CASING WHAT I WROTE WAS SIMPLY MEANT TO ACCENTUATE MY POINT. my intent was definitely not to YELL upon your person, however, if that's how you read it/ want to read it, be my humble pest..

secondly, the conservative, narrow-minded sunni muslim that I am, the one and only definition to my faith is the kalma Tayyab. FOR ME, anyone who negates the finality of that kalima, definitely falls outside the category of being a 'muslim'.
Yet another person acting as God....nauzobillah. Right, judge all you want. The intellectual debate is over when such personal arguements are presented. Why do you bother to post under a topic well knowing...you label the followers as none muslim? it makes a lot of sense.....

sooo000OOOooo, back to my conservative, narrow-minded sunni muslim thinking, mutaah seems to be a legal contract of convenience which allows you to sleep around. my point being, who're you really kidding over here??! Allah???
Who says it is to sleep around? Did you bother to notice, it is not for unmarried girls? And to be very staight forward, you come across as very green. You dont bother to "pick" up the arguements about Prophet Muhammed pbuh ALLOWING mutah, until 3rd Khailfa decided it other wise? Doesnt it make you wonder, how come it took place? We had a situation, a lawful compromise/practice was turned into a no no after several years after the death of our beloved Prophet Muhammed pbuh?
Who is to say, a woman does more than one mutah or mutah with several partners? The difference between the two of us is, I would read from all school of thoughts even the jamaat my own background would consider out of reason.....
Another thing is, research takes years....perhaps entire life.

and pathani, please feel free to refrain from getting personally defensive on this argument. noone's pointing fingers at you, so don't make a mountain out of a molehill.
Like wise, bhenjee.

and yeah, i did google 'mutaah'...... nothing laudable came out. nothing in a language that i could understand in the least... and most importantly, nothing from a credible website. and hence, i asked you to enlighten the rest of us with proofs and facts and statements.
u can see for urself: http://www.google.com/search?q=mutaah&hl=en&rls=com.microsoft:en-us:IE-SearchBox&rlz=1I7SNYI&start=0&sa=N
Credible......lol
Thats exactly the real challenge, that finding answers is not that easy or all divided into black and white. Im not a scholar here. I took it upon me to talk openly about a sensitive issue and perhaps to look for a historical questionmark..... We cant say Mutah was an invention of personal choice of Prophet Muhammed pbuh? It was a solution for the Ummah, caz Islam IS made easy upon Muslims.
Just as I cant comprehend why orthodox Sunnis say its alright for men to have sex/zinah/rape with slaves or war captives...to you mutah has perhaps exact same effect?

and that is exactly why controlling your 'nafs' is the biggest test from Allah. that totally does not mean that you bend and twist the teachings of Islam to serve your purpose!
Again, you dont relate to the fact, it was lawful and still regarded as lawful for some sects under Islam.

if that were the case, masturbation and orgies n wat not wudve been promoted in our religion anyways. I'm sure Allah was aware of the 'sex drives' of us mortals when we were created.
Im sorry, I dont need to get into this. What was allowed by Allah, sent as message as part of Islam during the life time of Prophet Muhammed pbuh, I cant see any other authority going against Allah and His Prophet..period. I respect all the khalifas and their wisdom but contradictions surely makes me wonder and also will to research deeper.....So "democracy" obviously gives a khalifa total free hands? Can we accept it in our modern days/society if another Khalifa of the ummah stood up and did like wise?

I have more respect for a woman who does mutah than a weak Muslim turning into zinah.... And I often come across, the absurd reaction of young Sunni divorcees women/widow that they look down upon mutah, but majority of these that I know 110 % have affairs/zinah with hindus, white men or former boy friends..... That seems ok to them. I lost many of my friends this particular way.

As woman, I dont think of Mutah as honourable or a suitable solution for lack of intimacy. We have a choice in western countries to remarry without major problems, but that is not the fact/reality for lots of women in our Muslim countries. Culture wise, widows are expected not to remarry. So they turn into having a double life due to forced conditions. And poor fellow whomever marries a divorcee, his buddies claps his shoulders for his "sacriface".....lol Thats what I going on...... Now kindly take a min. and also ponder about social injustice women are forced to face...... At the end, ONLY ALLAHJEE shall and will judge us.

And by saying all this, I rest my case. I said, whatever I had to say.