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Old Dec 14th, 2008, 02:25 AM   #12 (permalink)  
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Originally Posted by psyah View Post
If you listen carefully he includes himself in amongst the Coca-cola Muslims so no high horse here.
I listened carefully sir. And whereas he occasionally is self deprecating a lot of the time its pretty haughty condemnation. at one point the guy says 'even i am sometimes prone to this... i am serious' as if it is such an unbelievable thing that even he would be a common sinner like the rest of us.

the whole lecture has an undercurrent of putting people down.

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Also the Muslim position against consumerism is not about the wealth or profit, but rather the attachment to it and treatment of it as a taghut. A means to happiness, when it is only a temporary solution, with side effects. So we can be capitalistic so long as we are using what we need and being philanthropic with the rest. If we use more than our needs that is of no harm as long as we do not become attached. The Muslim consumerism in the times mentioned above Mughals, Ottomans and Abbasids were a mixture of some Western influence and was mostly in the elite, with modern technology you see a wider problem. The poorest of homes in Pak have TVs for example.
even in the time of abbasids and ottomans, when the most propsperous part of the world wasnt the west but the muslim world, the 'consumerism' came from the west? come on. there is an extent to which you can blame the west for your ills. excessive indulgence in the material is as old as firaun, and older than that. it is a fundamental human impulse.

the guy has his worldview and tries to fashion the world to it.







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