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Originally Posted by Raj_ind
Peace Med 911
I m not presuming anything mere mohtaram bhai, the only thing I m asking is whether a hindu dominated locality see an Indian flag raised or crackers being busted while India is winning a match against Pakistan? We Indians have been seeing all this eversince the partition happened. These kind of actions of muslims have helped parties like Shiv Sena and BJP increase their base. They openly brand muslims as traitors. While hindus like myself (who are a majority) oppose them tooth and nail. And U can see the results.
Well we dont know much of Pakistanis, but we can claim that we know far far more about U as than U know about us. The reason is that we know at least about muslims and muslim psyche.
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I admit that Pakistan is also a democracy and not of Indian kind too. But being a democracy(Whatever like) Pakistan and Pakistanis have decieved the very cause on which Pakistan was formed, ie Islam. I dare U to differ with me if U have the guts. So dont talk too too much, it will only expose ur (Pakistan"s) hypocricy. U or other person are very less qualified to actually criticise Indian democracy.
I admit that Gujrat riots are stain on Indian democracy and hindus stoo. We have to live by it, but we can correct ourselves as human beings and good citizens. Are u ready to give that chance to us?
But same yardsticks by which killing of Gujrat muslims and other riots in India are measured, killing of muslims in battle of siffin and camel (which saw about 90,000 muslims massacred) is a stain on Islam and khilafat. Have guts to admit it? Or will U too take a hypocrite's stand?
Now tell me whether there have been riots in Pakistan or not? Shia-Sunni, Mohajir-Pathan, Quadiyani-Sunni, etc. Have ppls been killed in those bloody riots or not? How have U washed ur stains? Pl let us know. And think for a while that when ppls of same faith can kill each other in the name of religion, why cant this happen when ppls of two entirely opposite religions are living together?
And mind it, some ppls who participated in those riots are walking free, and some ppls have been awarded punishment too. Dont always talk about the empty part of the glass. Just see how there has not been any riot after 2002 in Gujrat even after so many temptations (repeated attack on temples ). Investigations in Gujrat riots is still on and we can hope of some good results coming.
How can U say muslims are unrepresented? Muslims are free to choose their leaders through ballot. And U can see that there is enough representation of muslims in all assemblies and parliament too. Pl give up ur ignorance.
Well U are right that a muslim cant get away raising a pakistani flag in a hindu dominated area. Those wicked idolators will take good care of him. But muslims too are clever enough to do this in the ghettos. Raise Pakistani flag, shout slogans, and burn crackers at appropriate times. And they are seldom in trouble doing this. This is mostly done in ghettos of Delhi and Mumbai itself. Come to India once to visit those places to get urself educated how bold those muslims are in these matters. I think some honourable Indian Muslim members on this forum will tell U all this happening.
Pl let me know which place Pakistani hindus do all this?
Peace.
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Long winded, but lets see if I can answer you.
Fair enough... BJP ki jai!
I have met MANY Indian Hindus in my life. But I never claimed to know you. What do know is that I can infrences regarding India behavor in certain specific situations, because I have seen how you have behaved in such situations in the past.
Secondly, Muslims in India are very different from Muslims in Pakistan. Even within Pakistan, the different ethnic groups are very different. In fact. I would venture to guess that you dont even know Indian Muslims as they are even more diverse inIndian then in Pakistan.
So your claim that you know Pakistanis based on knowing Indian Muslims, doesnt hold water.
You dont know Islam very well either. Islam and Democracy are not incompatible. You possibly heard some khutba from some extremist in India and think that must be the end all...
So please, dont debate religion with me. You dont know anything about Islam either.
No, I have seen democracy first hand. So I am atleast qualified to judge democracy in India. And hence I do
Its not me who needs to give you a chance. Im not the one stopping your country from investigating and prosecuting the culprits...
Im sure there are many stains on the Kahlifat, but this discussion isnt about Islam or Khalifat.
And no, thankfully we havent had the same kind of riots on the scale you see in Indian.
We have certainly had criminals and terrorists who commit such crimes, but the genral populus lives in peace. in India the riots are commited by the general population.
And m glad India is prosecuting some of the criminals. Even if the chief archtect was re elected.
As for Muslims in India... Here is a good article from te NY times.
MEMO FROM INDIA; Report Shows Muslims Near Bottom of Social Ladder - New York Times
Here is what your own PM Monmohan Singh said... FROM THE ARTICLE-
'The community is relatively poor, more illiterate, has lower access to education, LOWER REPRESENTATION in public- and private-sector jobs and lower availability of bank credit for self-employment. In urban areas, the community mostly lives in slums characterized by poor municipal infrastructure.''
Well if they cant do it in Hindu dominated areas, then that just proves the point.
And you where Hindus live in Pakistan
There are many in Karachi, but I honestly dont think anything would happen to them if they supported India in cricket or raised an Indian flag. Maybe I am being naive, but I dont think the Hindu will be killed. Pakistanis arent that rabidly nationalist...