Zaat - Page 4

desi ostrich · Nov 17th, 2008, 01:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chintu_bhopali

is this chaudhary same as chacha chaudhary?

chintu gee he is like bootay da abaa

in boota from toba tek singh

desi ostrich · Nov 17th, 2008, 01:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Colourful eyes

nope im not

she is from toba tek singh

desi ostrich · Nov 17th, 2008, 01:33 AM

whatever you say allah nay zaatain and tribes banaiy takeh un ko pehchana ja sakay

how could could say this if prophet himself declared syeds are better than others

iam not talking about pakistani syeds are are diffrent from prophets family. locals shah or syeds are from hindu converts because you could find shahs in hindus

most syed were murdred in battle of karbala

pakistani syeds are like converts from marasis etc

Your President · Nov 17th, 2008, 02:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dushwari

how many do you know?

qureshi
malik
bhetii
khan
ghumen
pirzada
chaudhury
sheikh

where did all these originate? & how much of their histories, kids know today?

Zaats are so overrated in desi culture. I never believed in them or bought the stories of people who do.

I am a human being. I have no attachments, no restrictions, no limitations based on names, sects or otherwise. This is superficial bullsh*t.

desi ostrich · Nov 17th, 2008, 02:05 AM

is like presidential statement

desi ostrich · Nov 17th, 2008, 02:06 AM

i agree to your point hh president

Your President · Nov 17th, 2008, 02:07 AM

^ Much appreciated DS.

desi ostrich · Nov 17th, 2008, 02:19 AM

btw thse above mentioned are not casts these are just sub casts

EcoShan · Nov 17th, 2008, 02:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by desi ostrich

whatever you say allah nay zaatain and tribes banaiy takeh un ko pehchana ja sakay

how could could say this if prophet himself declared syeds are better than others

iam not talking about pakistani syeds are are diffrent from prophets family. locals shah or syeds are from hindu converts because you could find shahs in hindus

most syed were murdred in battle of karbala

pakistani syeds are like converts from marasis etc

r u serious??? prophet said that??
ayite bring the reference...m waiting to see the reference.

as far as i know prophet said there is equality and only ppl who are better have better "takwa"

m waiting for reference and m gona prove that wrong with the help of Quran.
bring the ref.

desi ostrich · Nov 17th, 2008, 02:32 AM

yes iam serious because whenever you pray you use mohammad and family for blessings

desi ostrich · Nov 17th, 2008, 02:33 AM

there is difference b/t saying and doing

EcoShan · Nov 17th, 2008, 03:01 AM

mere jigar ke totey i asked for reference where prophet said that syeds are better than others?? its totally contradictory to Quran and the hadith where prophet said only superior person is who, who has a better takwa.

now dont jsut keep on typing back up wat u said, reference please????

Daring V · Nov 17th, 2008, 04:08 AM

hello me fellow peeps...

Nice to see such hot debate here, but try to solidify your points a bit and not make it soo apparent that it screams in red that some of you trully aren't writing with keeping upper chambers intact, but rather from a place where the sun don't shine much. Now back to work and carry on

wondergurl · Nov 17th, 2008, 11:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by desi ostrich

pakistani syeds are like converts from marasis etc

and pray tell, where are you getting all these amazing "facts" from? lets not make sweeping statements based on personal opinions, no point in offensive declarations unless theres a valid source behind it.

Colourful eyes · Nov 17th, 2008, 11:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by desi ostrich

she is from toba tek singh

kya bola

Straight_up · Nov 17th, 2008, 11:22 AM

Good to see so many people against caste-system rubbish - also good to know that the money some of our parents have spent on educating us didn't entirely go to waste. Hi five to allll those who condemn such things!!

EcoShan - I like how you're questioning some folks here - good for you man.

Colourful eyes · Nov 17th, 2008, 11:25 AM

it's all good tht the younger Generation dont agree with Zaat, but most of the older Generation still wont agree with us, coz tht's the way they have been brought up.....and it's hard to change a lifetimes view on something........

Straight_up · Nov 17th, 2008, 11:29 AM

^ Yes, you're right. I can see how hard it must be as there seem to be plenty of single people here on GS who want to get married but caste is a problem created by their parents.

I feel for all those people who spend their golden years unmarried because of caste system-rubbish.

Croquet · Nov 17th, 2008, 02:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kori

Muslims believe in Al-Qur'an Al-Kareem, not in "Bahishti Zewar".

I don't care what some Indian Mullah influenced by his Hindu background and surroundings wrote in his "Heavenly Ornaments".

I use to think Deobandis were a little more sensible than other South Asian sects but they also have their silly Fatwas.

I use to rely a lot on Mr Desai's Fatwas but his website has had so much contradicting material.

The Prophet :saw: married Mother Juwayriyah

the Hebrew who was an ex-Jew.

Bilal the Abyssinian

married an Arab lady.

The Prophet :saw: himself married his cousiness from his Qureshi tribe to a freed slave from outside, the marriage didn't work out but the fact that the Prophet :saw: married them in the first place shows it's perfectly allowed.

There's lots of other examples from the Prophet's PBUT, Sahaabah and Ahle-Bait (MABPWT).

hmm there is that. however i am not askin you to accpet something because somebody said it, rather saying to know why people like me believe it. as i said it is a personal choice, i donot take family and lineage to be useless. i donot have trouble with those who do. we all run our own lives. what ever rocks your boat. however i definitely appreciate people who extend the same coutesy to such as myself. while you hold the opinion that there is nothing of lineage in islam, i beleive there is and i have shown you some scholars hold that belief with reasosning. yet the basic ground of superiority is taqwa. as the ashraf ali thanvi said as well. explain to me what kafu is?

EcoShan · Nov 17th, 2008, 02:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Croquet

hmm there is that. however i am not askin you to accpet something because somebody said it, rather saying to know why people like me believe it. as i said it is a personal choice, i donot take family and lineage to be useless. i donot have trouble with those who do. we all run our own lives. what ever rocks your boat. however i definitely appreciate people who extend the same coutesy to such as myself. while you hold the opinion that there is nothing of lineage in islam, i beleive there is and i have shown you some scholars hold that belief with reasosning. yet the basic ground of superiority is taqwa. as the ashraf ali thanvi said as well. explain to me what kafu is?

So brother if a guy is a better practising muslim and has better takwa and in both deen and duniya he is good, would u prefer a syed who lacks all these qualities to marry ur daughter???

ps. i know its a personal question and feel free if u dont wana answer