Boot Culture

NaMaan · Oct 13th, 2009, 01:10 PM

Boot Culture/ TC Culture / Buttering Up Culture whatever you call it but I found it widely prevalent in Pakistani culture. I had a chance to work both in Pakistan and and America and difference is so obvious. Desis do try to use their 'charms' on goray bosses but I hardly found if it works. But at the same time they try to 'boot polish' their desi bosses and they end up getting promotions and what not. I think its one of the gifts that we inherited from our older generations, under British rule.

Have you noticed the same attitude in your office ? any experiences ?

TC: Tactically coercion

Xenophanez · Oct 13th, 2009, 01:36 PM

Never liked it & never did it. Even on GS I am a constant pain in neck for TLK. :-D

Sheeda Pistol · Oct 13th, 2009, 01:37 PM

TC culture exists in every society or nation, maybe it's more prevalent in pak.

PS: there is TC culture on GS too

Monk · Oct 13th, 2009, 01:44 PM

lolzzz
naman

NaMaan · Oct 13th, 2009, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Sheeda Pistol

TC culture exists in every society or nation, maybe it's more prevalent in pak.

PS: there is TC culture on GS too

SP in Americans I found it very less, though desis always try to butter them up but they hardly do that to each other. Don't u think so ? and Yes it is a very third world thing I guess .

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Originally Posted by Monk

lolzzz
naman

Tuu buus daand kaadi ja

Opine ooyaa

라시드 · Oct 13th, 2009, 02:09 PM

You mean Kissing ass? It always works, except If you make it too obvious that you're kissing up to get something. So yeah, it's not just a Pakistani thing. LOL

sheyn · Oct 13th, 2009, 02:12 PM

Its an Asian/Arab trait .....I've worked in the Middle East and it was prevalant there.

It was the primary reason for Quitting my job because I just could NOT get myself to do that and without it your efforts are undermined.

Not only internally to get ahead in the workplace but also extends to getting anything done. I've had patients actually threaten me in the hospital a few times in ME because they were refused admission or told to wait their turn in busy Emergency or Clinic.

An Example : This one guy whose wife i'd already seen ahead of another patient had the gall to start screaming at my nurse to hurry up the admission procedure and when I intervened and asked what was the problem he goes:

" Tell her to do it fast or i'll leave ! .....

i'm like sure go ahead your wife is about to deliver but your welcome to take her elsewhere and then he goes

" Hurry up or i'll call the Director General of the Health authority in the Country .......

I gave him my telephone and told him to go ahead or would you like me to dial the number ! ....That Shut him Up !

Its attitudes like that which give birth to Cultures like this. Its like if we have contacts we can get things done and the best way to do that is exploit those contacts by name dropping or sucking up to someone for no good reason just to get something done !

It is used mainly by people who know well that they don't have what it takes and so use "LURPAK " to get what they want !

Naabigh · Oct 13th, 2009, 02:16 PM

TC stands for

Obama · Oct 13th, 2009, 02:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NaMaan

Boot Culture/ TC Culture / Buttering Up Culture whatever you call it but I found it widely prevalent in Pakistani culture. I had a chance to work both in Pakistan and and America and difference is so obvious. Desis do try to use their 'charms' on goray bosses but I hardly found if it works. But at the same time they try to 'boot polish' their desi bosses and they end up getting promotions and what not. I think its one of the gifts that we inherited from our older generations, under British rule.

Have you noticed the same attitude in your office ? any experiences ?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sheeda Pistol

TC culture exists in every society or nation, maybe it's more prevalent in pak.

PS: there is TC culture on GS too

So I am assuming that you know what "TC" actually means?

can some one enlighten us all?

Obama · Oct 13th, 2009, 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Naabigh

TC stands for

Exactly Naabigh.................it is not a word that can be used in mixed company!

zobia · Oct 13th, 2009, 02:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NaMaan

Boot Culture/ TC Culture / Buttering Up Culture whatever you call it but I found it widely prevalent in Pakistani culture. I had a chance to work both in Pakistan and and America and difference is so obvious. Desis do try to use their 'charms' on goray bosses but I hardly found if it works. But at the same time they try to 'boot polish' their desi bosses and they end up getting promotions and what not. I think its one of the gifts that we inherited from our older generations, under British rule.

Have you noticed the same attitude in your office ? any experiences ?

well i dont mind ppl buttering (kisi kay kaam ki tareef ker dena kuch dunnah nahi), cuz the one who is being buttered is more questionable to me. I dont know why some ppl are so arrogant and full of themselves?

insaan ko insaan he rehna cheyee hai, khuda say mokabala mut keray. werna fayron jaisa haal hota hai!

NaMaan · Oct 13th, 2009, 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by zobia

well i dont mind ppl buttering (kisi kay kaam ki tareef ker dena kuch dunnah nahi), cuz the one who is being buttered is more questionable to me. I dont know why some ppl are so arrogant and full of themselves?

insaan ko insaan he rehna cheyee hai, khuda say mokabala mut keray. werna fayron jaisa haal hota hai!

Some people like to do it and some people like it to be done to them. I think incompetency at work is a major cause behind this phenomenon . Job insecurity pushes people to do stuff that is beyond their job duties. Sorry souls.

Any solutions people ?

Sara516 · Oct 13th, 2009, 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Obama

Exactly Naabigh.................it is not a word that can be used in mixed company!

I bet the real definition isn't as bad as what I'm thinking

Xenophanez · Oct 13th, 2009, 03:31 PM

There is no solution. In desi environment even if the worker in competent, there is a possibility that there will be some other incompetent person working under him OR with him to butter up the superiors.

ADDENDUM: This is not limited to just desis, GORA log also do that in a very subtle way.

sheyn · Oct 13th, 2009, 03:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NaMaan

Some people like to do it and some people like it to be done to them. I think incompetency at work is a major cause behind this phenomenon . Job insecurity pushes people to do stuff that is beyond their job duties. Sorry souls.

Any solutions people ?

Solution :Quit Your Job if U don't like it.......

NaMaan · Oct 13th, 2009, 03:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xenophanez

There is no solution. In desi environment even if the worker in competent, there is a possibility that there will be some other incompetent person working under him OR with him to butter up the superiors.

ADDENDUM: This is not limited to just desis, GORA log also do that in a very subtle way.

Xeno do you have same working environment where you work now ? From your response I feel that sometime people do it just because of peer pressure or may be just following the group dynamics. How you feel about that ?

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Originally Posted by sheyn

Solution :Quit Your Job if U don't like it.......

We are not quitters but fighters ... right

NaMaan · Oct 13th, 2009, 03:41 PM

Sheyn if you go back in time with all the unlimited authority, how you will fix this problem ? Have you ever noticed your colleagues doing it to your seniors or whoever was in higher authority ?

Quote:

Originally Posted by sheyn

Its an Asian/Arab trait .....I've worked in the Middle East and it was prevalant there.

It was the primary reason for Quitting my job because I just could NOT get myself to do that and without it your efforts are undermined.

Not only internally to get ahead in the workplace but also extends to getting anything done. I've had patients actually threaten me in the hospital a few times in ME because they were refused admission or told to wait their turn in busy Emergency or Clinic.

An Example : This one guy whose wife i'd already seen ahead of another patient had the gall to start screaming at my nurse to hurry up the admission procedure and when I intervened and asked what was the problem he goes:

" Tell her to do it fast or i'll leave ! .....

i'm like sure go ahead your wife is about to deliver but your welcome to take her elsewhere and then he goes

" Hurry up or i'll call the Director General of the Health authority in the Country .......

I gave him my telephone and told him to go ahead or would you like me to dial the number ! ....That Shut him Up !

Its attitudes like that which give birth to Cultures like this. Its like if we have contacts we can get things done and the best way to do that is exploit those contacts by name dropping or sucking up to someone for no good reason just to get something done !

It is used mainly by people who know well that they don't have what it takes and so use "LURPAK " to get what they want !

Xenophanez · Oct 13th, 2009, 03:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NaMaan

Xeno do you have same working environment where you work now ? From your response I feel that sometime people do it just because of peer pressure or may be just following the group dynamics. How you feel about that ?

We are not quitters but fighters ... right

It's just not peer pressure or group dynamics. There are many factors like limited or new opportunities, tough competitions, bad company economy, incompetence etc etc which play a role. Gora would do it by passing unnecessary appreciation remarks like "you are teh man" "The man" "The big boss" or rushing to buy "rounds" when he is out with his bosses, and a desi would do it in a very obvious way and will get chastised by you and me. :-D

sheyn · Oct 13th, 2009, 04:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NaMaan

We are not quitters but fighters ... right

Quote:

Originally Posted by NaMaan

Sheyn if you go back in time with all the unlimited authority, how you will fix this problem ? Have you ever noticed your colleagues doing it to your seniors or whoever was in higher authority ?

It was very much part of the work environment where I worked , so yeah it happened all too often there. For a while I even tried the "if you can't beat them join them " approach but I just couldn't pull off the buttering.....its just not my style !

But if I had unlimited authority I would say that for a department to function certain responsibilites should be left to a neutral third party who is uninvolved with the daily interaction with staff so they can make unbiased and objective decisons like alloting work and duties fairly and equally. It was and is one of the biggest complaints in a department with more than one employee having similar postions so delegating things fairly becomes a chore and there is always bias.

Either a Dept Head should be a little removed from the general workforce and uninfluenced by them but that is never possible so it always helps to have things like Promotions , Task Assignments , Duties alloted through a PERFORMANCE EVALUATION AND PRIVILEGE ASSIGNMENT TOOL..... where x number of hours put in entitles you to y privilege or acquiring qualification A entitles you to Promotion B.

Eliminates human bias and the need to get a "recommendation and butter someone to get what you want .

Fair For All , Transparent and Applicable !

Safoora · Oct 13th, 2009, 05:23 PM

^that's all true, but even after all that- there'll still be some of it present and it's human nature because everyone likes to be appreciated, whether they deserve it or not. I have only worked in US, but in three entirely different professions and its as prevalent as air. Goras do it, desis do it, chiptay do it, some do it more than others- not a race but depends more on the person. I was lucky to have worked with some very good colleagues, and even though I always saw it happening, it was more subtle than other places.

I guess when you do it right, it comes under good mannerisms?