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Sad state of affairs

chacha_Ghalib — Sat, 14 Nov 2009 02:03:34 GMT

Is it not sad that the first thing that comes to my mind, everytime there is a mass killing, is: I hope the perpetrator wasn't a muslim. All this done in the name of a religion whose very name is peace.

They were showing a few idiots who were wearing long arab gowns shouting some bs. Hypocricy at its worst. We'll live in the west, take advantage of all the excellent services and still sing praises of places we desperately fled and never think of returning to permanantly. I mean who is stopping these people from moving to their ideal system of governance? The non-muslims have not done a quater of the harm to islam that the muslim have. But then who needs enemies when you have such friends. Famous urdu couplet sums it up quite well:

hovay tum dost jis kay
dushman uss ka aasman kyon ho

when they came for me...

chacha_Ghalib — Tue, 07 Apr 2009 17:59:45 GMT

Problems with taking prophesies literally

chacha_Ghalib — Sun, 31 Aug 2008 21:02:58 GMT

read this in the religion forum... the poster didn't say who it was by but i think this is an excerpt from the book Revelation, rationality, knowledge and truth written by Hazrat Mirza Tahir Ahmad, the late leader of the Ahmadiyya muslim community.

This illustrates some of the consequences of literally interpreting the prophesies concerning the second coming of Jesus. Surely if his decent from heaven is to be taken literally, everything else should be also.

the book in its entirety is available here... it is not just a religious book but deals with a lot of contemporary issues and answers questions which trouble the human mind.
Al Islam -Revelation, Rationality, Knowledge and Truth

the excerpt is available in the religion forum at the following link http://www.paklinks.com/gs/religion-...ahmadis-3.html
post # 76

This mythical image of Jesus is evidently created by their same tendency to over-literalize prophecies. Evidently they do not care what price they have to pay for the folly of rejecting reason and rationality. To Jesus Christ they assign the task of salvaging whatever remains of the dignity and honour of Islam in the latter days. It will be he, they believe, who will launch a single-handed powerful offensive against the anti-Christ on a global scale. Having roundly defeated and destroyed the anti-Christ�the one-eyed monster, Jesus will hand over the keys of his world dominion to the people of Islam, and will also distribute the immense treasure and riches which he will have amassed. Thus all the spoils of his war against the anti-Christ will he lay at the feet of the Muslim Ummah.

HAVING RESOLVED their political and economic problems, he will turn his full attention to such prophecies as relate to religion. He will start by launching his campaign against Christianity. His strategy will be to break every cross in the world, whatever material it is made of. He will visit every cathedral, every monastery, every church, every temple, every Christian hermitage. He will walk every street of every township and stare at every passer-by in search of any cross. Ladies perhaps will become the prime object of his scrutiny because he will be aware of their despicable habit of having crosses engraved upon their jewellery and ornaments. He will take care of the fact that they also wear crosses hanging around their necks. Thus he will snatch away every bangle, every bracelet, every pendant and earring with the sign of the cross upon it. Woe to the ladies who dare to cross the path of that Jesus, but where can they escape and hide, the poor defenceless wretches? He will enter every house and search every cabinet and jewellery box. Every wall and every corner will be scanned. Crosses must be literally broken and wiped out from the face of earth. Until he has accomplished this task to the full he will not rest in peace. This is the vision of the Muslim orthodoxy of the mission of Jesus Christ if ever he returns to earth, but that is not all.

Having completely disposed of the symbol of Trinity, he would then turn to another task which prophecies assign to him, if they are taken literally. He will lose no time in beginning to kill every non-Muslim inhabiting the world. Either they must convert to Islam or they must die�these will be their only options. He will go about this slaughtering business in a rather unusual way. He will breathe fire like a mythical dragon, while no myth has ever presented such a dragon before, even in the wildest tales of fantasy. His blazing breath will scorch to death innumerable infidels even when they are miles away from him. Those within the reach of his sword, will have their heads stricken off and made to roll. He will identify them unmistakably because on the forehead of each non-believer would appear the imprint in bold: Al-Kafir, the non-believer. Thus he will leave none alive except the Muslims, and the de-Christianized Christians of course, who will be left without a single cross to worship. Hence the curtain will fall upon this unique carnage by the imaginary Jesus, filling the entire earth with fetid odour, an obnoxious stench of rotting bodies, some slaughtered, some scorched to death. Hatred will generate more hatred, bloodshed will lead to more bloodshed.

The imaginary Jesus as painted by Christian artists, is shown in the vision of the Muslim orthodoxy as carrying a sword in hand during the carnage of the swine.

THE LAST GORY ACT of Jesus upon the earth will be to annihilate the species of swine. No quarter will be granted to pigs. All boars and all sows and all their brood will be put to the sword�each one of them. Hand on sword, fire in breath, Jesus will visit every township, every village, every street, every house, every shack and every sty in search of the hiding rascals. He will visit every wilderness, will thrash all the bushes of Africa, and will hunt for them in the rain-forests of South America. China will not be spared for that matter, nor will Japan. The islands of the South Pacific will also be combed where the flesh of pig is considered a highly prized delicacy.

Evidently no prophet of God in the entire history of mankind has ever performed such bloody, filthy feats as are attributed to the Jesus Christ envisioned by the Muslim orthodoxy. This is what the clergy in Islam have done to the profound wisdom of the Holy Prophetsa. They have failed to penetrate across the bodies of letters to reach the soul and spirit of the prophecy they contained.

The real task assigned to the Promised Christ in this prophecy was to purify the human society from inhuman behaviour and some evil habits which the swine symbolizes. There are many animals and birds which steal the fruits of the farmer's labour for the sake of their survival but do not destroy the crops and trees just for the fun of it. The swine stands out among all the animals in this destructive tendency. The swine is also notorious for eating the corpses of its young ones. No other non-marine animals are known to devour their young ones when they die. A bloodthirsty lion, or even a ferocious wolf, will rather die of hunger, woefully sitting beside the dead bodies of their brood, than to even dream of eating their flesh. Dogs do not eat the corpses of their dead puppies either. Pigs and boars, it should be remembered, are vegetarians, yet by some devilish instinct they relish eating the corpses of their young ones. Evidently therefore, the message implied in this prophecy has to be to wage a Holy War against the perverted habit of humans to be inclined to genocide and to feel free to usurp the rights of the weak. The pig's habit of eating its own piglets could be likened to the child abuse of the modern age. Child abuse may be directed against one's own children or against the children of others, either way it is swinish in character. Recently it has become a subject of common talk in modern society, so needs no further elaboration. No other animal can match humans in this ugliness.

War against evil has always been the occupation of prophets. As such, Jesus Christ in his second advent would be no oddity among them if his second advent is understood to be metaphorical. But a Jesus such as the one who is idolized by the Muslim clergy�a literal murderer of the swine�is what they need and await to welcome. The moment this apple of their eyes arrives and discharges his task of eliminating the pig species from the animal kingdom, he must needs be applauded. So will he be applauded and befitting homage would be paid to his last glorious days spent on the planet earth.

Glory be to Lord Jesus will be chanted over sea, over land, over hill, over dale. The church bells will not toll for the carnage he will make but the minarets will resound with the shouts of the Muezzin heard far and wide, Allah-O-Akbar, Allah-O-Akbar, God is the Greatest, God is the Greatest�and glory be to our saviour the Lord Jesus Christ.

Lastly, before Jesus' departure from earth, there is yet another highly important business for him to conduct, but in this he must be assisted by the Mullah. Throughout it has been only Jesus Christ serving the cause of the Mullah. Let the Mullah serve his cause now, for once at least! All that Jesus would demand of the Mullahs after his global exploits would be to help him in the task of getting married. After the ruinous trail of rampage and bloodshed that he would have left behind, marriage would not be an unwelcome change for him.
If the Mullah has any serious regard for the literal fulfilment of prophecies he must find him a highly gifted young Muslim damsel who should not fail to bear him children. Christ is about to be married! Some great Mullah must be found to read his wedding sermon and enquire from the would be father-in-law of Christ if he consents to give the hand of his daughter to that of Jesus. After his consent would come the turn of Jesus, at last, to confirm the proposed marriage.

What happy moments, what ecstasy! After a celibacy of two thousand years or more he would stand up and nod his head in affirmation "Yes I do, O loving Mullah, yes I do". In what better manner could the exploits of Jesus Christ be celebrated than that! From North to South, from East to West, hymns will be sung in his praise and marriage songs will fill the air with their sweet melody. All that is left for him is to hopefully wait for the delivery of his blessed first-born with a holy string of other sons and daughters to follow. Thus by producing children at the ripe old age of two thousand years plus, he will create the greatest of all the miracles he had ever worked. His spirit has always been strong but the flesh too would not lag behind in strength it seems. What a miracle indeed that the passage of time makes him grow even stronger, while old age is left buried far behind in the land of his youthful first advent. Finally, the hour of death will arrive, but what a glorious enviable death it will be! Blessed be the day he was born and blessed be the way he will die.

This is the enchanting tale of Jesus which, if ever realised, the Mullahs will always tell their pupils in every Madrasah of Islamic instruction, year after year, generation after generation.

dil-e-beqaraar kay wastay

chacha_Ghalib — Tue, 29 Jul 2008 21:16:20 GMT

Declaring others non-muslims

chacha_Ghalib — Wed, 23 Jul 2008 18:46:24 GMT

khidmat-e-islam

chacha_Ghalib — Wed, 23 Jul 2008 18:35:10 GMT

as understood by mullahs... here we have police erasing kalima in the name of islam

masa'ala-e-hayaat-o-mamaat-e-masih

chacha_Ghalib — Wed, 16 Jul 2008 01:24:42 GMT

the translation of the title, for the benefit of those, who don't understand a lot of urdu, is: the matter of the life and death of Jesus

a while ago, I had a discussion in the religion forum on this topic with some other members who believed, as most muslims do, that Jesus was bodily taken up to the heavens and still lives there, waiting to return to earth at some later time.

For a whole week i continually asked people to show where in Qura'an and Hadith was such an event mentioned but no one was able to come up with a single hadith or a single ayah in support of this belief. Further, there are some other beliefs held by muslims, which have no basis in islam such as transfiguration of a thief so that he appeared as Jesus and was hanged on the cross in his stead.

When there is no basis whatsoever for such beliefs, then why are they promoted as absolute truths and those who dare to contradict these beliefs are labeled as heretics.

Contrary to the belief of Jesus being alive in the heavens, the Holy Qura'an mentions the death of Jesus more specifically and more often than of any other human being. Moreover, the ahadith, acts of sahaba, and the sayings and beliefs of pious people from all ages support the belief that Jesus died a natural death.

I was going to post such proofs in that thread, but it was locked before i could so i am going to post a link to a small booklet which outlines the proofs in favor of Jesus' natural death. Our job is to lay out the truth, whether someone accepts it or not is up to them and they are directly answerable to Allah for their actions. In the words of the Promised Messiah:

har tarf awaaz daina hai hamara kaam aaj
jis ki fitrat naik hai, aai ga wo anjaam kaar

So here is the link for the benefit of those who might be interested in it. The book is in urdu but if enough people show interest, i'll try to summarize it in english.
http://www.alislam.org/urdu/pdf/wasaal-e-isa.pdf

fitrat

chacha_Ghalib — Tue, 17 Jun 2008 02:34:04 GMT

read the following in a book... was deeply moved and impressed by the simplicity and beauty of it

fitrat sannaTay main balaa ki khateeb hoti hai!

mairy humsafar

chacha_Ghalib — Fri, 13 Jun 2008 00:10:43 GMT

read this nazm in redidentity's blog... really liked it and decided to post it in mine as well... name of the poet is not known yet

it very long though :bummer:

Mery Hamsafar
Mery Jism-O-Jaan Ky Har Aek Rishty Sy Mau�tabar
Mery Hamsafar
Tujhy Yaad Hein, Tujhy Yaad Hein
Wo Jo Qurbaton Ky Suroor Mein
Teri Aarzoo Ky Hisaar Mein
Meri Khaahishon Ky Wafoor Mein
Kai Zaaiqy They Ghuly Huwy
Dar-E-Gulsitaan Sy Bahaar Tak
Wo Jo Raasty They Khuly Huway
Sar-E-Loh-E-Jaan
Kisi Ajnabi Si Zubaan Ky
Wo Jo Khushnumaan Sy Haroof They
Wo Jo Sarkashi Ka Ghubaar Tha Cha-har Su
Jahan Aek Doo-Jy Ky Rubaroo
Hamen Apni Roo�hon Mein Phaelti
Kisi Naghmaggi Ki Khabbar Mili
Kisi Roshni Ki Nazar Mili
Hamen Roshni Ki Nazar Mili
To Jo Reza Reza Sey Aks They
Wo Behm Huwy
Wo Behm Huwy To Pata Chala
Ky Jo Aag Si Hy Sharar-Fishaan Meri Khaak Mein
Usi Aag Ka Koi Anbujha Sa Nishaan Hy Teri Khaak Mein
Isi Khaak-Daan Mein Wo Khaab Hy Jissy Shakl Deny Ky Waasty
Ye Jo Shash�johaat Ka Khel Hy, Ye Ravaan Huwa
Isi Roshni Sy Makaan Banna, Isi Roshni Sy Zamaan Huwa
Ye Jo Her Gumaan Ka Yaqeen Hy
Wo Jo Her Yaqeen Ka Gumaan Tha
Isi Daastaan Ka Bayaan Tha

Mery Hamsafar
Kisi Dhiaan Ky Kisi Taaq Per Hy Dhara Huwa
Wo Jo Aek Rishta-E-Dard Tha
Mery Naam Ka Tery Naam Sy
Teri Subh Ka Meri Shaam Sy
Sar-E-Rahguzzar Hy Parra Huwa Wohi Khaab-E-Jaan
Jisay Apni Aankhoon Sy Dekh Leny Ky Waasty
Kai Laakh Taaroon Ki Seerriyoon Sy Uttar Ky Aati Thi Kehkashaan
Sar-E-Aasmaan
Kisi Abbr Paaray Ki Ott Sy
Usay Chaand Takta Tha Raat Bhar

Mery Hamsafar
Usi Rakht-E-Gham Ko Sammet�ty
Usi Khaab-E-Jaan Ko Sanbhaalty
Mery Raasty Kai Raaston Mein Ulajh Gaye
Wo Chiraagh Jo Mery Saath Saath They, Bujh Gaye
Wo Jo Manzilen
Kisi Aur Manzil-E-Benishaan Ky Ghubaar-E-Rah Mein Kho Gayen
Kai Was�wason Ky Fishaar Mein Shab-E-Intazaar Si Ho Gayen
Wo Tanaab-E-Dil Jo Ukharr Gaye
Wo Khyaam-E-Jaan Jo Ujjar Gaye
Wo Safeer They Usi Daastaan-E-Hayaat Ky
Jo Warq Warq Thi Bharri Hui
Mere Shoq Se Tery Roop Sy
Kahin Chaaon Sy Kahin Dhoop Sy
Mery Hamsafar Tujhy Kiya Khabbar
Ye Jo Waqt Hy Kisi Dhoop Chaon Ky Kheil Sa
Isey Dekhty, Isey Jheilty
Meri Aankh Gard Sy Att Gai
Mery Khaab Rait Mein Kho Gaye
Mery Haath Barf Se Ho Gaye

Mery Hamsafar
Mery Bekhabar Tery Naam Per
Wo Jo Phool Khilty They Hontt Per
Wo Jo Deep Jalty They Baam Per
Wo Nahi Rahy
Wo Nahi Rahy Ky Jo Aek Rabt Tha Darmiyaan
Wo Bikhar Gaya
Kisi Shaam Aesi Hawa Chali
Ky Jo Barg They Sar-E-Shaakh-E-Jaan
Wo Gir Gaye
Wo Jo Harf Darj They Reat Per
Wo Urr Gaye
Wo Jo Raastoon Ky Yaqeen They
Wo Jo Manziloon Ky Ameen They
Wo Nishaan-E-Paa Bi Mit Gaye

Mery Hamsafar
Hy Wohi Safar
Maggar Aek Morr Ky Fark Sy
Tery Haath Sy Mery Haath Tak
Wo Jo Haath Bhar Ka Tha Faasla
Kai Mausamoon Mein Badal Gaya
Usay Naapty, Usay Kaat�ty
Mera Saara Waqt Nikal Gaya
Tu Mery Safar Ka Shareek Hy
Mein Tery Safar Ka Shareek Hoon
Per Jo Darmiyaan Sy Nikal Gaya
Usi Faasly Ky Shumaar Mein
Usi Be-Yakeen Sy Ghubaar Mein
Usi Rahguzar Ky Hissaar Mein
Tera Raasta Koi Aur Hy
Mera Raasta Koi Aur Hy

qalm hai mairy haath main...

chacha_Ghalib — Thu, 08 May 2008 21:46:00 GMT

kehtay hain kay ghalib ka hai andaaz-e-bayaan aur

chacha_Ghalib — Fri, 25 Apr 2008 03:06:25 GMT

ulti ho gaiN sub tadbeeraiN...

chacha_Ghalib — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 20:35:17 GMT

ye na thi hamari qismat...

chacha_Ghalib — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 20:24:10 GMT

muddat hoi hai yaar ko...

chacha_Ghalib — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 20:01:34 GMT

nuqta cheeN hai...

chacha_Ghalib — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 19:57:10 GMT