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      An Interesting Conversation Between Student & Teacher

      An atheist professor of philosophy speaks to his class on the problem science has with God, The Almighty. He asks one of his new Muslim students to stand and.....

      Professor: You are a Muslim, aren't you, son?
      Student : Yes, sir.

      Professor: So you believe in God?
      Student : Absolutely, sir.

      Professor: Is God good?
      Student : Sure.

      Prof: Is God all-powerful?
      Student : Yes.

      Prof: My brother died of cancer even though he prayed to God to heal him. Most of us would attempt to help others who are ill. But God didn't. How is this God good then? Hmm?

      (Student is silent.)

      Prof: You can't answer, can you? Let's start again, young fella. Is God good?
      Student :Yes.

      Prof: Is Satan good?
      Student : No.

      Prof: Where does Satan come from?
      Student : From...God...

      Prof: That's right. Tell me son, is there evil in this world?
      Student : Yes.

      Prof: Evil is everywhere, isn't it? And God did make everything. Correct?
      Student : Yes.

      Prof: So who created evil?
      (Student does not answer.)

      Prof: Is there sickness? Immorality? Hatred? Ugliness? All these terrible things exist in the world, don't they?
      Student :Yes, sir.

      Prof: So, who created them?
      (Student has no answer.)

      Prof: Science says you have 5 senses you use to identify and observe the world around you. Tell me, son...Have you ever seen God?
      Student : No, sir.

      Prof: Tell us if you have ever heard your God?
      Student : No , sir.

      Prof: Have you ever felt your God, tasted your God, smelt your God? Have you ever had any sensory perception of God for that matter?
      Student : No, sir. I'm afraid I haven't.

      Prof: Yet you still believe in Him?
      Student : Yes.

      Prof: According to empirical, testable, demonstrable protocol, science says your GOD doesn't exist. What do you say to that, son?
      Student : Nothing. I only have my faith.

      Prof: Yes. Faith. And that is the problem science has.

      Student : Professor, is there such a thing as heat?
      Prof: Yes.

      Student : And is there such a thing as cold?
      Prof: Yes.

      Student : No sir. There isn't.

      (The lecture theatre becomes very quiet with this turn of events.)

      Student : Sir, you can have lots of heat, even more heat, superheat, mega heat, white heat, a little heat or no heat. But we don't have anything called cold. We can hit 458 degrees below zero which is no heat, but we can't go any further after that. There is no such thing as cold. Cold is only a word we use to describe the absence of heat. We cannot measure cold. Heat is energy. Cold is not the opposite of heat, sir, just the absence of it.

      (There is pin-drop silence in the lecture theatre.)

      Student : What about darkness, Professor? Is there such a thing as darkness?
      Prof: Yes. What is night if there isn't darkness?

      Student : You're wrong again, sir. Darkness is the absence of something. You can have low light, normal light, bright light, flashing light....But if >you have no light constantly, you have nothing and it's called darkness, isn't it? In reality, darkness isn't. If it were you would be able to make darkness darker, wouldn't you?

      Prof: So what is the point you are making, young man?
      Student : Sir, my point is your philosophical premise is flawed.

      Prof: Flawed? Can you explain how?
      Student : Sir, you are working on the premise of duality. You argue there is life and then there is death, a good God and a bad God. You are viewing the concept of God as something finite, something we can measure. Sir, science can't even explain a thought. It uses electricity and magnetism, but has never seen, much less fully understood either one. To view death as the opposite of life is to be ignorant of the fact that death cannot exist as a substantive thing. Death is not the opposite of life: just the absence of it. Now tell me, Professor. Do you teach your students that they evolved from a monkey?

      Prof: If you are referring to the natural evolutionary process, yes, of course, I do.

      Student : Have you ever observed evolution with your own eyes, sir?

      (The Professor shakes his head with a smile, beginning to realize where the argument is going.)

      Student : Since no one has ever observed the process of evolution at work and cannot even prove that this process is an on-going endeavour, are you not teaching your opinion, sir? Are you not a scientist but a preacher?

      (The class is in uproar.)

      Student : Is there anyone in the class who has ever seen the Professor's brain?

      (The class breaks out into laughter.)

      Student : Is there anyone here who has ever heard the Professor's brain, felt it, touched or smelt it?.....No one appears to have done so. So, according to the established rules of empirical, stable, demonstrable protocol, science says that you have no brain, sir. With all due respect, sir, how do we then trust your lectures, sir?

      (The room is silent. The professor stares at the student, his face unfathomable.)

      Prof: I guess you'll have to take them on faith, son.

      Student : That is it sir.. The link between man & god is FAITH. That is all that keeps things moving & alive.

      Amazingly true isnt it??????
      Last edited by zobia; Nov 16th, 2007 at 10:06 PM.
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      Email forward.
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      Yes it is. Thanks for sharing Z

      where'd u come across it though?....
      "Pakistan Affairs is sort of like the Sun. Going there will help absorb the much needed vitamin for the skin and make the skin thicker to other criticisms the life throws your way. Stay there too long, much like staying in the sun for a long period and you risk getting a sunburn or worse skin cancer if you're a chronic sun bather." Endorsed by Ess.

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      Quote Originally Posted by TeenDabbyWala View Post
      Email forward.
      yep, but there i get tons of email everyday as you do. and this is among the best to be share among guppies.

      we have load of this existence convo going aroung here on GS. so i decided to share this. this one inspired me (yes i also have these rational based arguments with ma teacher )

      where as there are other scenarios that didnt inspired me at all, and i also didnt share those with you people, dont you wana comment on those ones?
      "There are two rules for ultimate success in life: #1. Never tell everything you know." ;)

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      proper.ganda ...
      HTD/S11: To fool your enemies, you must first fool your allies.
      ARY: baighairton ka badshah

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      Quote Originally Posted by teggy View Post
      Yes it is. Thanks for sharing Z

      where'd u come across it though?....
      i wrote it.

      that kid is me

      hehehehe...

      j/k

      p.s. aray bhai fwd email hai. q tum loug jaan kha rahay ho. do you think i have enough time to write this convo in this hectic schedule of mine (for u dumb guppies).
      though oneday, yes oneday, i will do share my stories here too (inshaALLAH).
      "There are two rules for ultimate success in life: #1. Never tell everything you know." ;)

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      Quote Originally Posted by saieen View Post
      proper.ganda ...
      you mean gola ganda?
      "There are two rules for ultimate success in life: #1. Never tell everything you know." ;)

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      Quote Originally Posted by zobia View Post
      you mean gola ganda?
      piyaz wala ganda...
      HTD/S11: To fool your enemies, you must first fool your allies.
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      Last edited by zobia; Nov 16th, 2007 at 10:46 PM.
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      being gadha is the in thing these days...its better to be gadha...no tenshun no pee.ressure...aram se kaan gira ke dum daba ke mojain kartay raho...let them humans cut each other like cucumbers and gannay... gadhay have unity and dignity. when Qaid said KAAM KAAM & SIRF KAAM and IMAN ITEHAD AND TANZEEM...it was for gadhay n co. can u refute that? i think not :AID:
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      quaid bata k nahi gayea thay
      "There are two rules for ultimate success in life: #1. Never tell everything you know." ;)

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      Actually this is a speech!
      It was posted in religion forum!
      That speech was weali interesting n i watched it like 10 times!
      Kisi ko panay ki chahat MOHABBAT toh nahi.................!
      ~~**Mere Naseeb nae meri khuahish ko kabhi samjha hi nahi**~~

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      Quote Originally Posted by Muslim girl View Post
      Actually this is a speech!
      It was posted in religion forum!
      That speech was weali interesting n i watched it like 10 times!
      i weali think you should've posted it before she did....
      "Pakistan Affairs is sort of like the Sun. Going there will help absorb the much needed vitamin for the skin and make the skin thicker to other criticisms the life throws your way. Stay there too long, much like staying in the sun for a long period and you risk getting a sunburn or worse skin cancer if you're a chronic sun bather." Endorsed by Ess.

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      ^y wud i post it....it was already there in the religion section!
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      i dono....just to open a thread...that's why most ppl do stuff around here...just wake up and look for reasons to get ppl talking (Ahem ZOBIAAAA)
      "Pakistan Affairs is sort of like the Sun. Going there will help absorb the much needed vitamin for the skin and make the skin thicker to other criticisms the life throws your way. Stay there too long, much like staying in the sun for a long period and you risk getting a sunburn or worse skin cancer if you're a chronic sun bather." Endorsed by Ess.

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      hmmm...well many dont go to religious forum n politics cuz they dont have interest.

      it is for simple/straight mindz at the moment.

      and if someone really hate the idea of this repetitive thread based on of fwded mail, plz send a complain to mods/admin and ask them to lock this thread and ban me
      "There are two rules for ultimate success in life: #1. Never tell everything you know." ;)

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      Quote Originally Posted by zobia View Post
      hmmm...well many dont go to religious forum n politics cuz they dont have interest.

      it is for simple/straight mindz at the moment.

      and if someone really hate the idea of this repetitive thread based on of fwded mail, plz send a complain to mods/admin and ask them to lock this thread and ban me
      that is toooooooo emotional
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      Quote Originally Posted by zobia View Post
      hmmm...well many dont go to religious forum n politics cuz they dont have interest.

      it is for simple mind at the moment.

      and if someone really hate the idea of this repition of fwd mail, send a complain to mods/admin and ask them to lock this thread and ban me
      come on...be a muslim and show come muslim spirit...take down 2-3 guppies with u b4 u get banned...

      PS : i can't be taken down...i'm married thus islamically halaled :AID:
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