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Jun 9th, 2009, 01:57 AM
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Fundamentalist !
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Students Unioins , the name appeares odd for many Pakistani students .... LIKE ME..... studying in Pakistani institutions especially after 1985.
A pakistani student will directly hint to Students organizations who are Political wings of National Political Parties in Pakistan.
Like PSO(People students Organization) , PSF( Pukhton Students Federation) , MSF( Muslim Students Federation ) , APMSO (All Pakistan Muhajir Students Organization) , PSA (Punjabi Students Association) , BSO(Baloch Students Organization) , ISO (Imamia Students Organization) , JSQM (Jey Sindh Qumi Mahaz) , IJT (Islami Jamiat-e-Talaba) etc.
But students Union was different thing , which was a students representative body for the particular College/University , there were ellections between students , held under the supervision of College/University administration and electrorical board.
The Presidents of the Students Unions had to be REGULAR and BRILLIANT student of the Institution.
These students Unions were banned by MARSHEL LAW government ZIA UL HAQ and till now , banned.
It have not only abonded one Very PRECIOUS career --- POLITICIAN--- from the YOUNG generation of Pakistan , but also , we have no such young leaders who have emerged from our society from the actual process of Politics.
Only FEW INHIRETANT GROUPS are comming and depriving our youngsters from becoming AMBICIOUS POLITICAINS.
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Jun 9th, 2009, 03:51 AM
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Personally i think young and ambititous students+politics= tragedy.
No offence but as Students our number one priority should be to get a good eductaion, thats not to say we should not involve in politics to some extent and a student union isn't a bad idea. But mixing poor students up with serious political factions oftens leads to fervent youths being practically used for the gains of a few nasty people.
Too often we have seen young and decent students often very clever ones beaten and even killed by rival political factions or even police for being activists.
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Jun 9th, 2009, 04:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Faris Udeen
Personally i think young and ambititous students+politics= tragedy.
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It is good that it is your Personal Thinking.
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Originally Posted by Faris Udeen
No offence but as Students our number one priority should be to get a good eductaion, thats not to say we should not involve in politics to some extent and a student union isn't a bad idea.
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Contradiction in your statements.
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Originally Posted by Faris Udeen
But mixing poor students up with serious political factions oftens leads to fervent youths being practically used for the gains of a few nasty people.
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Optomastic approach, I think we should not only see the Dark side.
Mr. Obama a first Black Leader in the Powerfull US Democracy is an excellent example for seeing the fruits of STUDENTS UNIONS.
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Originally Posted by Faris Udeen
Too often we have seen young and decent students often very clever ones beaten and even killed by rival political factions or even police for being activists.
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Hear is the actual problem , we have fix and should voice for to be fixed.
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Jun 9th, 2009, 09:24 AM
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looking at the law and order situation i would say its better to keep student away from actively pursuing political goals. however that is quite an unantural statement since youth has always been the backbone of any successful campaign. in pakistan it is more likely to end up in tragedy though so i'd political thought should be encouraged but no affliations or weapons at all.
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Jun 9th, 2009, 12:16 PM
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I think we have had lots of bright kids lost to politics with filthy politicians using them for their own purposes and all this while the politicians' own kids study abroad, Pakistani institutions being unfit for them.
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Jun 10th, 2009, 01:25 AM
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Originally Posted by kakaballi
I think we have had lots of bright kids lost to politics with filthy politicians using them for their own purposes and all this while the politicians' own kids study abroad, Pakistani institutions being unfit for them.
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Pakistani Institutions are only for to give us book worms , who will do select Political Science in their Studies at Intermediate , Graduation and Masters Level.
But Practical Politics should be termed as FORBIDDEN FRUIT for them.
When i was studying in Engineering , our Head of Electronic Department was Chairing Some National Level Conference , He was saying that , Higher Education Commision of Pakistan/Pakistan Engineering Council have decided to Keep Compulsory One Year INTRINSHIP(Practical Field Practice) for Young Engineers at the End of their Four/Five Years Degree Course.
Like MBBS Students go for Practical Course for One Year at the End of their Course Completion.
I think The Students of Political Science/History or Say Social Sciences Should be given this type of Opportunities.
And Politician could be Any one Doctor/Engineer , Lawyer or Scientists.
It is not some thing Odd that we desire for Pakistani Institutes , all the Western and Developed Countries have this system in their institutions.
Ya,
Your Point that , these Students are being Exploited by the VETERN but GREEDY politicians should be abonded/strickly watched.
But i donot believe that the PRESENT SELFISH POLITICAL GANGS of Politicians will dare for accepting the challange of fruitfull Consequences.
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Jun 10th, 2009, 03:11 PM
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In USA, they teach their students Civics and government at every level and let them raise questions on issues and indulge in discussions. It is really interesting. I studied Pak Studies for two years in Pakistan and didn't know what legislature was! Rote learning and exemplary grades were the only vitals.
i'm not disparaging Pakistan , i luv her. it's just sad that we don't take initiatives to solve problems. and i confess i m one of those.
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Jun 14th, 2009, 04:33 AM
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Originally Posted by prizetime
In USA, they teach their students Civics and government at every level and let them raise questions on issues and indulge in discussions. It is really interesting. I studied Pak Studies for two years in Pakistan and didn't know what legislature was! Rote learning and exemplary grades were the only vitals.
i'm not disparaging Pakistan , i luv her. it's just sad that we don't take initiatives to solve problems. and i confess i m one of those.
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You are right , in Class Six studying Pakistan Studies , I came to know that who were the Rulers of IdoPak(South Asia) before Pak, Ind became independent.
Pakistan Studies did not changed its topic till my Graduation , when it was omitted from the course.
Our Syllabus needs immense updates and at least as an Educated Civilians we should learn Government , its structure etc.
But unfortunatly these things we learn from our every day happenings , and many people who donot pursue higher studies remains ignorant in this regards.
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Jun 25th, 2009, 01:05 AM
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I was actively involved in student politics, during Zia Ul Haq time, i have friends who was arrested.
After my own experience, i am convince that student should focus in studies rather then wasting their time in students politics. there are free to whatever they like once they completed their education.
I have seen so many brilliant students loss their ways due to involvement in politics, please do not allow this happen to you or your children.
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Jun 29th, 2009, 08:57 PM
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The issue is politics as a career or politics as being a puppet.
There should not be conventional political activities by students.
Selected students choose politics as their study and active politics should not be at the campus.
Politics in institutions should be forbidden. Too much negativity and hostility with bloodshed in emotional youngsters.
A social based inside organization (non-political, non-religious) of students focusing on self help and building the institutional standard is all they should be allowed to do.
Agree that history, studies involving the country's ideologies and basic political, financial knowledge, debates on current affair should be part of curriculum for everyone.
Regular visits from all politicians (non-discriminatory) and bureaucrat's to campus is also good strategy.
Impress me..with your intelligence and wit. :-)
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Jun 30th, 2009, 05:22 AM
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i prefer the thought of having politically encouraging syllabus for students in the colleges and universities.
currently pakistani students composing the cream are being limited to some select general fields like medical and engineering, while the cream should also peek in the other fields which are numerous and have more opportunities. Also saturation always leads to gridlocks.
these student unions nowadays are rather promoters of select political parties than portrays of student's problems.
In the extreme dark side let me enlighten you about the situation in my home city Peshawar, where IJT, PSF and PSO are influent. Here students are always involved in rallies and protests. The numbers of injured are also in 100s, captured in 1000s and the educational impact which is immeasurable. The government colleges especially the famous Islamia College students are the active participants in such. Even such colleges list the names of such students as expelled only to show that they have taken action but they have to reinstate them to avert pressure from the unions themselves. They list such students names before examinations of boards showing the amount of FIRs registered on them, only with 5 or below are allowed to take the board examinations!
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Jun 30th, 2009, 06:28 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Stalker123
i prefer the thought of having politically encouraging syllabus for students in the colleges and universities.
currently pakistani students composing the cream are being limited to some select general fields like medical and engineering, while the cream should also peek in the other fields which are numerous and have more opportunities. Also saturation always leads to gridlocks.
these student unions nowadays are rather promoters of select political parties than portrays of student's problems.
In the extreme dark side let me enlighten you about the situation in my home city Peshawar, where IJT, PSF and PSO are influent. Here students are always involved in rallies and protests. The numbers of injured are also in 100s, captured in 1000s and the educational impact which is immeasurable. The government colleges especially the famous Islamia College students are the active participants in such. Even such colleges list the names of such students as expelled only to show that they have taken action but they have to reinstate them to avert pressure from the unions themselves. They list such students names before examinations of boards showing the amount of FIRs registered on them, only with 5 or below are allowed to take the board examinations!
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Students Unions are Banned in Pakistani Colleges/Universities since 1985 by Gen. Zia.
IJT, PSO and PSF are Students Organizations who are representing their Political Parties Wings on students level.
These Organizations emerged due to ban on Students Unions.
I think if we in Pakistan will adopt those models of Students Unions which are in US or UK or Other Developed Countries , we will be definetly having fruitfull results.
But strict watch and Trasparent implemention of the rules must abided.
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