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Dear All,
I want to warn anyone coming to the UK for an undergraduate degree to think it over. The home office have suddenly brought in new rules on 31st March 2009 where it is imposible for a non EEA national to extend their stay more than two years after their undergraduate degree has finished.
I think this is inhuman as it also affect current students in the UK who have invested time and money in the UK. You need a minimum of a masters degree to stay longer than 2 years after completion of your undergraduate degree. I hope people spread the work and prevent young souls from coming in the UK on false belifs of a bright future!
but bachelors degree's still get that 2 year work visa don't they? going from what you said. for a lot of them, if they find a good job after bachelors, even just for two years, it will put them in a decent position when they go back to their home countries.
to be honest, it's for their own sakes. there are so many bachelor's degree students from abroad who can't find work or any decent work related to their field and with so many redundancies...
it's the highly skilled workers where the UK is lacking.
it's the highly skilled workers where the UK is lacking.
Well thats what Im saying, Not much scope for bachelors degree in UK now. The governmetn nor the universities are saying that on their websites so I wanted to do my bit and let the young students make an informed decision as it is alot of money for a middl class pakistani familly to send their child and not get any return afterwards. So Please just come to UK for masters or Phds.
stoppit ....i am sorry to go offtopic
but What is that avatar of yours.....it fascinates and disgusts me at the same time. i cannot stop staring at it and feeling like i have a huge huge gum in my mouth...
Kicked out, you forget this is their country, not yours. They have every right to kick you out!
As harsh as it may sound, but firenze is right. Just because you complete a degree course in a country doesn't give you the right to stay there forever.
And if you do land a decent job after completing your degree, you'd be able to get a work visa anyway. If you don't, why would you want to stay?
The Pakistani Brain of the UAE (formerly known as "The Pakistani Brain of Austria")
Fair enough if u have the money to spend and are happy to get no fruit out of your bachelors degree. But what about those people who are in their last year now and suddenly they shown the door. Surely they must feel fooled by the great british government! These laws just came around randomely and were not there 3 years ago!
Man seems like u guys dont know what kind of people come to the uk. majority of sub continent students come with great burdeons on thier shoulders. some parents even sell their houses for their children to get to britian. Surely its going to be impossible to earn the £30-50K back in pakistan!?
These laws just came around randomely and were not there 3 years ago!
I understand the frustration of those who go to the UK on legitimate student visas and actually study there. But these laws did certainly not come around randomly.
They were introduced, because a large percentage of migrants who go to the UK on student visas, never have the intent of studying there, but use them as an entry point into the UK. Once they are in the country they start doing odd jobs illegally without being registered. Unfortunately many Pakistanis form a significant part of that group. The genuine students who actually want to study in the UK suffer as a result of that. But if you look at it from the UK's point-of-view, it's perfectly understandable that something had to be done.
Well one of my friend is in his final year (4th) and when he started there were no discrimination like this one. Now when the poor man has spend soo much of his and his familys money he is shown the door! Surely they shoud have given some sort of warning before interducing this law. So now its not equal opertunities in UK anymore! The brits never got jobs coz they were never as good as the forigners!! so drastic measures had to be taken to get the brits in the jobs! shame!
I just hope that their international undergradute applications plumit and so will their education income and then they will realise not to play around with young lives and aspirations!
Well not insurance for a job but when he got in there was no restrictions like now! suddenly closed the door. thats not fair? is it! What is the gurantee they wont do this to master students as well?
All this post is saying that "Do not waste hard earned pounds (money and not your weight) to get a BS degree from UK".
That's all.
To all those who are struggling here in Pakistan, it is a very simple and inexpensive way to get your basic education in Pakistan BEFORE you head to other countries.
Option #1. If you wanted to be an Engineer, but failed to get the super high marks in FSc, and you don't have sifarish, then do the following:
Get a BSc (4 years) [or 2 years BSc and 2 years MSc] in Maths and apply for Masters or PhD in Engineering in the West.
Option #2. If you wanted to be in the medicine, but failed to get into a Pakistani med school,
then get your BSc (4 years) in Biology, Chemistry etc. and then apply for Masters or PhD in Biology or Chemistry etc. in the West. Yes you may not get admission in the medical schools, but you will get an MS or PhD in your field and that will allow you to stay and work in the West.
These options will give you many more opportunities in the West, and reduce the amount of money you need to "borrow" from your parents / family.
Your future is a serious business. So when you go with option #1 or #2, do not waste your time in the chatrooms, or hanging out with friends. Be the best mathematician, or biologist, or Chemist. Get the best grades, and learn every aspect of your field of study.
Then you apply to good schools in USA. Their graduate programs GIVE YOU MONEY and PAY your FEES.
If you can't get in the USA, then go for UK, or Australia.
p.s. Please do not give lectures on going "back home". Today we live in global society, and good global workers should be allowed to work wherever they want to work.
stoppit ....i am sorry to go offtopic
but What is that avatar of yours.....it fascinates and disgusts me at the same time. i cannot stop staring at it and feeling like i have a huge huge gum in my mouth...
i have no idea what it is, but it seems to be having the desired affect!
All this post is saying that "Do not waste hard earned pounds (money and not your weight) to get a BS degree from UK".
That's all.
To all those who are struggling here in Pakistan, it is a very simple and inexpensive way to get your basic education in Pakistan BEFORE you head to other countries.
Option #1. If you wanted to be an Engineer, but failed to get the super high marks in FSc, and you don't have sifarish, then do the following:
Get a BSc (4 years) [or 2 years BSc and 2 years MSc] in Maths and apply for Masters or PhD in Engineering in the West.
Option #2. If you wanted to be in the medicine, but failed to get into a Pakistani med school,
then get your BSc (4 years) in Biology, Chemistry etc. and then apply for Masters or PhD in Biology or Chemistry etc. in the West. Yes you may not get admission in the medical schools, but you will get an MS or PhD in your field and that will allow you to stay and work in the West.
These options will give you many more opportunities in the West, and reduce the amount of money you need to "borrow" from your parents / family.
Your future is a serious business. So when you go with option #1 or #2, do not waste your time in the chatrooms, or hanging out with friends. Be the best mathematician, or biologist, or Chemist. Get the best grades, and learn every aspect of your field of study.
Then you apply to good schools in USA. Their graduate programs GIVE YOU MONEY and PAY your FEES.
If you can't get in the USA, then go for UK, or Australia.
p.s. Please do not give lectures on going "back home". Today we live in global society, and good global workers should be allowed to work wherever they want to work.
i've been in education for quite some time and in various universities. to be quite honest, i do not know many bachelors degree students from pakistan who's parents are not well off, only the rich seem to come for their undergradute degrees (at the top universities).
it's already mainly the MSc's and the PhD's who come for serious study, whose families are not well-off and who have studied very hard in their own country to give them the opportunity to come here.
it's undeniable that many get admission in a crappy uni and get a crappy grades for the only reason of trying to settle here. then they can't get jobs and their families are put in even more difficulty. if this stops that, then it can only be a good thing.
Last edited by stoppit; May 17th, 2009 at 12:15 PM..
I am not one of those who wants to shut the door behind me! And I specifically hate Pakis who start thinking that they are the guardians of Britian and discriminate fellow countrymen even more than the whites! Pathetic and disgusting!
My biggest frustration with the new system is that it is put in place so abruptly and is not prespective. Fair enough introduce this rule to new students entering bachelors degree who can make an informed choice weather to come here or not knowing that they will be asked to leave at the end.
But ithis law also includes poor students who when entred (1-5 years ago)were promised that they will be free to go on to the Tier 1/HSMP visa after graduation. Now suddenly the goverment is saying sorry but we changed our minds. now pi** off back home. Man people have planned their lives according to the laws that were in place at that time!
And they are the ones giving lectures on human rights and ethics!!
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