Picture Authenticy Issue - Ehsan

bitter_reality · May 6th, 2009, 11:11 AM

Following is some of the private messaging going on between me and ehsan where, he has raised objection on the pictures as not real....so i gave him retuers picture source site to confirm but he is adamant that these are blogs and not authentic sites

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Originally Posted by ehsan
I will be grateful if you could provide the link as I ahve not been able to by right clicking the links and going to the websites. All I want to ensure is that yes these victims relate to Pak army bombing. I am not saying that they are not but link is important to establish teh facts.

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Originally Posted by bitter_reality
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Originally Posted by ehsan

Can you please provide me a link where it says that these victims were as a result of Pak army bombing, I couldnt find one by looking at those webistes, I am not that internet savvy.

Regards

Ehsan

Its easy as i said.....right click on the pics and find the link. Some are victims of drone attacks and some victims of Pakistan shelling. You can also google these pics as I did. It you still cannot find them then please open my thread and I will post more.

Thanks

Thanks

My Reply :

In the Future I would appreciate if you dont close my thread and correspond to me openly in the forum

http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/...yqage/610x.jpg

A paramedic examines a girl who was injured in a air strike in Mir Ali at a local hospital in Peshawar October 10, 2007. Pakistani artillery bombarded Taliban and al Qaeda positions on Wednesday as villagers buried relatives killed by an air strike during the heaviest fighting seen so far in a tribal area near the Afghan border.

Thanks

ravage · May 6th, 2009, 11:23 AM

BR it is hard to get to the description from the links of the pictures. While we can find the location of the images easily, they are stored on a cache on the server, seperately from the description that tells us whats going on.

Spock · May 6th, 2009, 11:27 AM

The first picture, with the janazah going on was posted on PA in a thread created after a drone attack as I remember seeing it here.

ehsan · May 6th, 2009, 11:29 AM

First of all you sent 4 links of which two didnt work, secondly the links were different to the pics you posted, they related to 2007 and not the current conflict and were from blogs. Yes I am suspicious because all material posted on GS must have acceptable links which you failed to provide. Provide proper links and your pics can stay. Secondly it is a rule that PM's are not posted without perimission and you never obtained my permission to post these pm's. I suggest you remove them.

ravage · May 6th, 2009, 11:30 AM

the very first image is from 2006.

bitter_reality · May 6th, 2009, 11:44 AM

This is for you Eshaan saab.

http://www.paklinks.com/gs/voice_aja...v=43652_18.spx

listen and decide!

ehsan · May 6th, 2009, 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by bitter_reality

This is for you Eshaan saab.

http://www.paklinks.com/gs/voice_aja...v=43652_18.spx

listen and decide!

Read my post above posting random pics without proper links is not acceptable and you failed to provide proper links. Secondly you have not removed the pm's as I have requested.

Lucid Chaotic · May 6th, 2009, 12:07 PM

B_R - as the poster, the onus is on you to provide source information for all text and media referenced from other sites... a simple thing to do would be to provide a link under every picture: (Source: Publication/Media Outlet, Link: http://...) . It's just considered good posting practice, and will alleviate any future similar concerns - irrespective of one's technical efficacy.

Having said that, although I can't vouch for all the pics, I do believe some of the pictures you posted are indeed authentic. I've seen a couple of them on MSNBC (e.g. Pakistan slams 'cowardly' U.S. airstrike - Pakistan - msnbc.com), and AlJazeera (e.g. Al Jazeera English - CENTRAL/S. ASIA - Pakistan attacks 'cowardly' US raid).

bitter_reality · May 6th, 2009, 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by ehsan

Read my post above posting random pics without proper links is not acceptable and you failed to provide proper links. Secondly you have not removed the pm's as I have requested.

I gave your proper links but you don't accept them as authentic and Don't be shy from your pm's....there is nothing private about you and me or that topic of mine. I regard it as matter of pricinpal and fairness...thats why i dicussed it openly here.

As, I remember , in the last couple of hours you put like 2-3 request to me and I fulfilled them...its another story that you didnt get happy after it....and I made just one just one single request that please reopen my thread and you didn't listen to my request. A Perfect gentleman you are Mr Eshan!

bitter_reality · May 6th, 2009, 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Lucid Chaotic

B_R - as the poster, the onus is on you to provide source information for all text and media referenced from other sites... a simple thing to do would be to provide a link under every picture: (Source: Publication/Media Outlet, Link: http://...) . It's just considered good posting practice, and will alleviate any future similar concerns - irrespective of one's technical efficacy.

Having said that, although I can't vouch for all the pics, I do believe some of the pictures you posted are indeed authentic. I've seen a couple of them on MSNBC (e.g. Pakistan slams 'cowardly' U.S. airstrike - Pakistan - msnbc.com), and AlJazeera (e.g. Al Jazeera English - CENTRAL/S. ASIA - Pakistan attacks 'cowardly' US raid).

I did give him links from reuters, dailymail , telegraph, daily china and some blogs. He says that they are not authentic. The objection would be genuine only if i had uploaded them from my hard disc....which offcourse is not the case here.

ehsan · May 6th, 2009, 12:16 PM

Here are the links you gave me which specifiaclly realted to the pictures you posted:

Photo from Reuters Pictures - News, photos, topics, and quotes

2008 Les dessous de l’information mondiale-Downside World News

http://flapsblog.com/2006/10/30/glob...h-zawahiri-was-
target-in-us-pakistan-attack/
http://www.nytimes.com/imagepages/20...ldspecial/14cn
d-afghan.ready.html
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...753/US-strikes-
in-Pakistan-tribal-areas-kill-21.html

As you can see the last two dont even work.

Lucid Chaotic · May 6th, 2009, 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by bitter_reality

I did give him links from reuters, dailymail , telegraph, daily china and some blogs. He says that they are not authentic. The objection would be genuine only if i had uploaded them from my hard disc....which offcourse is not the case here.

dude - all I'm saying is in the future, post it inline with your pictures in the post itself...

ravage · May 6th, 2009, 12:20 PM

^ and also, dont just post the link to the pictures, post the actual articles. We cannot establish context from picture urls, and we cannot reach the source articles from just the picture links, and we cannot verify then claims such as these are all victims of Pakistani military bombing villages.

ehsan · May 6th, 2009, 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by bitter_reality

I gave your proper links but you don't accept them as authentic and Don't be shy from your pm's....there is nothing private about you and me or that topic of mine. I regard it as matter of pricinpal and fairness...thats why i dicussed it openly here.

I am not shy but there are rules and you break them and when you are asked to respect them like providing links or not posting PM's you start making all sorts of excuses. Doesnt cut any slack with me, ok. pm is meant Private Message. Got it.

Lucid Chaotic · May 6th, 2009, 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by ravage

^ and also, dont just post the link to the pictures, post the actual articles. We cannot establish context from picture urls, and we cannot reach the source articles from just the picture links, and we cannot verify then claims such as these are all victims of Pakistani military bombing villages.

that's what I suggested as well... the link should be to the article's content page that has the picture in it... not directly to a jpg/png which would be in an images folder/cache directory on a web server (same site's or a different one's).

ravage · May 6th, 2009, 12:28 PM

yep, in that case apologies for misinterpreting you

bitter_reality · May 6th, 2009, 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by ehsan

Here are the links you gave me which specifiaclly realted to the pictures you posted:

Photo from Reuters Pictures - News, photos, topics, and quotes

2008 Les dessous de l’information mondiale-Downside World News

http://flapsblog.com/2006/10/30/glob...h-zawahiri-was-
target-in-us-pakistan-attack/
http://www.nytimes.com/imagepages/20...ldspecial/14cn
d-afghan.ready.html
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...753/US-strikes-
in-Pakistan-tribal-areas-kill-21.html

As you can see the last two dont even work.

Chacha Gi I am very sorry if the last two links doenst work sometimes the newspaper take the news off and pictures remain on the google as bitmaps. But is that your only concern? Because I provided u with alternative links to ....with pictures.. Can u be honest enough to post the reuteur links i posed you with pictures?

bitter_reality · May 6th, 2009, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by ehsan

I am not shy but there are rules and you break them and when you are asked to respect them like providing links or not posting PM's you start making all sorts of excuses. Doesnt cut any slack with me, ok. pm is meant Private Message. Got it.

The issue you raised is not private between you and me so why not a broader audience ? Sounds fair eh?