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      Now I know these days Punjabi is treated as a separate Language from Hindi/Urdu. But I think it's sometimes considered just a dialect of Hindi like Rajasthani or Avadhi. It seems to not differ a lot from the standard dialect of Hindi/Urdu("Khari Bholi"). The vocabulary seems to be very similar. Dialects like Maithili and Bhojpuri from Bihar I think are somewhat distinct from Khari Bholi from what I have read. But they are still classified as dialects of Hindi. Perhaps it is because Punjabis pushed for Punjabi to be deemed a separate language I'm not sure. Can someone give examples of how to say the same thing in different dialects of Hindi? Also it brings up the question: How different do languages have to be to be considered separate?

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      in fact, linguists claim that 'linguistic distance' (dont ask me how to measure it) between hindi and rajasthani is more than that between hindi and punjabi. however, politics is such that now rajasthani is reduced to 'dialect' while punjabi is 'language'.

      in fact, if u go further back, hindi, in form today, called khari boli, was a 'boli', i.e. dialect, while brij bhasa had the stature of 'bhasa', language. the literature was in brij bhasa or maithili. brij bhasa had full fledged literature. now brij is considered dialect and khari boli alias hindi has become our national language.

      very interesting reversal of roles.

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      Dialect or Language can be a semantic difference sometimes.
      I know personally that if you can speak Hindi/Hindustani you can manage in all North-Indian states.
      If you go to the interiors of course, you have to deal with Rajasthani, Punjabi, Bhojpuri etc.,
      I don't know how true it would be to say Punjabi is a dialect.
      You can speak a Punjabi sentence that can easily transformed(NOT Translated) into HIndi.
      e.g. Punjab Da Puttar - Punjab Ka Putr
      Not really a translation is it? http://www3.pak.org/gupshup/smilies/confused.gif
      and at the same time I guess you can speak Punjabi that has to be translated.
      I had friends from Delhi and if they break into Punjabi, I really couldn't understand them some times.
      When they want they can speak Punjabi I can understand http://www3.pak.org/gupshup/smilies/wink.gif

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      Sadde bhai logan http://www3.pak.org/gupshup/smilies/smile.gif
      Punjabi cant be language b/c it is only an oral tradition

      There is not much body of written punjabi either in urdu script or devnagiri script.

      Most of the bhangra & punjabi songs are hardly compiled as poetry or literature of sort.It is musically rhythmic but has nay one read a novel or afsana or prose of punjabi in urdu or devnagiri script .I dont think so

      Unfortunately with devnagiri writing hindu punjabi choosing to write in hindi/urdu similarly urdu writing muslim punjabi choosing to express in urdu rather than in punjabi .there is very little hope of seeing punjabi literature & therefor status of language like Bengali ,Tamil etc.

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      I kind of agree with Andhra....I know I and Roman can speak some ThaiTh punjabi that none of you will understand, even punjabi burgers...most of the written Punjabi..particularly academic and TV/Radio is very much influenced by Sanskrit/Hindi or Urdu/Persian. I have noticed that journalists, screen writers, professors,and govt officials while writing a piece in Punjabi will use the urdu or saskrit vacublary even when the most appropriate word for the same thing is available in Punjabi. If one wants to see whether Punjabi is a language or dialect read some of our fiction writers..I will recommend reading Prem Parkash(a Hindu), Prem Gorkhi(a shudra), Iliyas Ghuman(a muslim), Waryam Sandhu(a Sikh)...all lived and grown up hundreds of miles away from each other..you will see the language live and kicking...judging a language from the TV News reader or a ABCD punjabi friend is not fair. I have studied Hindi until my high school but other day I was watching one of Vajpayee's shud Hindi speeches and I did not get half of it...you can understand the structure and semantics which very is much shared by most of the sub-continental languages. I also watched Hamid Karzai's speech last night and I was surprised how many words I could pick from his speech..although I am not sure whether he was speaking in pashto or persian. So there is lot of overlap either of semantics or vacublary.

      As for body of literatrure...saying that Punjabi does not have any is showing one's ignorance or inherited bias. of course Hindi and urdu has much larger audience and official patronage, particularly written stuff than Punjabi does.

      FYI, what is the oldest piece of literature/poetry written in Urdu that is known?
      ZZ is probably the right person to ask the same question about Hindi...is it Kalidas's Shakuntla?
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      I missed part of FYI's post...you said "has nay one read a novel or afsana or prose of punjabi in urdu or devnagiri script".
      I also read the title under your name...I guess you need to change it.

      [This message has been edited by ChannMahi (edited December 22, 2001).]

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      Originally posted by ChannMahi:
      I kind of agree with Andhra....I know I and Roman can speak some ThaiTh punjabi that none of you will understand, even punjabi burgers...most of the written Punjabi..particularly academic and TV/Radio is very much influenced by Sanskrit/Hindi or Urdu/Persian. I have noticed that journalists, screen writers, professors,and govt officials while writing a piece in Punjabi will use the urdu or saskrit vacublary even when the most appropriate word for the same thing is available in Punjabi. If one wants to see whether Punjabi is a language or dialect read some of our fiction writers..I will recommend reading Prem Parkash(a Hindu), Prem Gorkhi(a shudra), Iliyas Ghuman(a muslim), Waryam Sandhu(a Sikh)...all lived and grown up hundreds of miles away from each other..you will see the language live and kicking...judging a language from the TV News reader or a ABCD punjabi friend is not fair. I have studied Hindi until my high school but other day I was watching one of Vajpayee's shud Hindi speeches and I did not get half of it...you can understand the structure and semantics which very is much shared by most of the sub-continental languages. I also watched Hamid Karzai's speech last night and I was surprised how many words I could pick from his speech..although I am not sure whether he was speaking in pashto or persian. So there is lot of overlap either of semantics or vacublary.

      As for body of literatrure...saying that Punjabi does not have any is showing one's ignorance or inherited bias. of course Hindi and urdu has much larger audience and official patronage, particularly written stuff than Punjabi does.

      FYI, what is the oldest piece of literature/poetry written in Urdu that is known?
      ZZ is probably the right person to ask the same question about Hindi...is it Kalidas's Shakuntla?
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      I missed part of FYI's post...you said "has nay one read a novel or afsana or prose of punjabi in urdu or devnagiri script".
      I also read the title under your name...I guess you need to change it.

      [This message has been edited by ChannMahi (edited December 22, 2001).]
      Nah Shakuntala was the most prominent work in Sanskrit. Don't know about Hindi maybe Tulsidas' Ramayana.

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      Originally posted by vivek:
      Nah Shakuntala was the most prominent work in Sanskrit. Don't know about Hindi maybe Tulsidas' Ramayana.
      i see this web-page is quite informative. it seems there is a book before kabir and khusrow, called sharavakachar (i never heard it before) around 930. credit for modern hindi is given to khusrow.
      http://www.cs.colostate.edu/~malaiya/hindiint.html

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      Wait a minute. There seems to be doubts as to the 'script' of Punjabi.
      Does Punjabi hava a script of it's own?
      Is it Gurumukhi as followed by Sikhs?
      Or DevNagiri? DevNagiri is Sanskrit let me tell you.
      Important because to be known as a language rather than a dialect, you have to have your own script.
      A language without it's own script? http://www3.pak.org/gupshup/smilies/confused.gif
      Still, I can remember one example. 'Tulu' a language prevalent in parts of Karnataka, India has no script.
      I can give other examples.

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      punjabi is written in more than one script. there are languages like that. marathi was written in modi as well as devanagari. sanskrit was written in brahmi script, and pehaps in some other scripts too. (devnagri is relatively modern script while sanskrit is ancient language) there are languages which have changed script over time. (turkish, assmaese would be examples) and of course, there are many tribal languages which have no written tradition and thus script.

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      Originally posted by ChannMahi:
      I kind of agree with Andhra....I know I and Roman can speak some ThaiTh punjabi that none of you will understand, even punjabi burgers...most of the written Punjabi..particularly academic and TV/Radio is very much influenced by Sanskrit/Hindi or Urdu/Persian. I have noticed that journalists, screen writers, professors,and govt officials while writing a piece in Punjabi will use the urdu or saskrit vacublary even when the most appropriate word for the same thing is available in Punjabi. If one wants to see whether Punjabi is a language or dialect read some of our fiction writers..I will recommend reading Prem Parkash(a Hindu), Prem Gorkhi(a shudra), Iliyas Ghuman(a muslim), Waryam Sandhu(a Sikh)...all lived and grown up hundreds of miles away from each other..you will see the language live and kicking...judging a language from the TV News reader or a ABCD punjabi friend is not fair. I have studied Hindi until my high school but other day I was watching one of Vajpayee's shud Hindi speeches and I did not get half of it...you can understand the structure and semantics which very is much shared by most of the sub-continental languages. I also watched Hamid Karzai's speech last night and I was surprised how many words I could pick from his speech..although I am not sure whether he was speaking in pashto or persian. So there is lot of overlap either of semantics or vacublary.

      As for body of literatrure...saying that Punjabi does not have any is showing one's ignorance or inherited bias. of course Hindi and urdu has much larger audience and official patronage, particularly written stuff than Punjabi does.

      FYI, what is the oldest piece of literature/poetry written in Urdu that is known?
      ZZ is probably the right person to ask the same question about Hindi...is it Kalidas's Shakuntla?
      ...
      I missed part of FYI's post...you said "has nay one read a novel or afsana or prose of punjabi in urdu or devnagiri script".
      I also read the title under your name...I guess you need to change it.

      [This message has been edited by ChannMahi (edited December 22, 2001).]
      Chanmahi

      I dont want to engage into pro & anti punjabi discussion.If you know more than me ,i will readily admit it.The knowledge that i have about Punjabi beiing a dilect i shared with you.I know punjabi papers like Milap & pratap.Knowing urdu ,i have not come actross punjabi novels or poetry in the same book stores.If you know otherwise plz let us know ,ia, eager to update my knowledge

      The earliest or the first recorded novel in urdu was Umraon Jaan Ada in 1700 .i forget the name of the writer ,but i knew it at one time.

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      FYI, no offense but your argument was not based on knowledge but lack of it...you said Punjabi is only an oral tradition...I am saying there are writings as old as 800 years avaialble in Punjabi...how many years old writen tradition it has to be to qualify as a language? or how much lit it should have to qualify? or how many kings/rulers should have blessed it to be a language? Punjabi like many other languages has a core speaking body and then on boundaries it has dialects which can be considered of other languages too..e.g Saraikee,pahaRhi etc or languages in itself(as their speakers like to say).
      Milap and partap are Punjabi papers(run by Punjabis and published in Punjab)but not Punjabi language papers.

      Check the Sangh-e-Meel publication's website..they carry lot of Punjabi books.

      Umrao jaan Ada is a novel..what about poetry?...I think poetry is much older in Urdu than fiction...probably back from Khusro's time.


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      khusro is hardly urdu. u can read lot of his poetry on web also. 'bahut kathin hain dar panghat ki' (later plagiarized by sahir) or 'gori sovay sej par, mukh par daray kes' is hardly urdu. he calls it 'hindvi'.he wrote in persian too. but in hindi he does not bring in persian words. almost awadhi, in fact his language reminds of raja mehdi ali khan (lyrics writer in old movies).

      khusro is credited with many things including some raagas and making basant a secular festival played in muslims also. must be a multifaceted personality.

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      This is an absurd question. Punjabi came before Hindi. While Punjabi is an ancient language, Hindi is very new, not even comparable. It's believed that Hindi/Urdu came from Punjabi, or at least largely inspired from it.

      So a more sensible question would be: Is Hindi/Urdu a dialect of Punjabi?

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      I think RegVeda was written in the areas , which are now considered Punj-aab , earlier it was known as Sapta- Sindhu ....or the land of 7 rivers.
      and that was about 1500-2500 BC , not sure or exact dates.

      so a civilization that is as old , that is Pre-Aryans , did not had any Language ...?? were the deaf and dumb ....??

      Highly unlikely , Sanskrit 's grammer was composed by a certain Panini who lived in Punjab , Punjab was a part of Indus valley civilization .
      then there was Pali , associated with Budhism , and we find numerous Pillars of Ashoka all over India , including Punjab ,and they had written inscription on them , Presumly in Pali
      then there is Kharosti , various Abharashas ...etc..

      Modern Punjabi evolved after Muslim invasion to these lands,when Persian took over as official language ,, it was then Shah Mukhi and Gurmukhi evolved , becoming the script of Punjabi language , in which Religious Books of Sikhs , the " Granth Pak " was composed .

      Urdu comes much later , ....infact Urdu actually owes to "Fort William College " Calcutta ,where British translated Persian work into , Urdu .
      MahLaqa Chanda is known to be the first ever Urdu Poettes with a Diwan ,and she was a courtesean , Wali Deccani came about at the same time .

      One should read , Shams Ur Rehman Farooqi sahib to understand the history of Urdu.

      Punjabi was a much earlier language, it has over 30 dialects of it , including Saraiki and Pothohari ,all actually dialects of Punjabi , ....by the way the most popular and the most known one is Majhi , spoken in Punjab.

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