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      It must have been noted during meetings with prominent Urdu poets,writers, journalists,editors,media,education,computer experts, professionals,students,teachers,professors etc. that there is great awareness for learning / teaching Urdu everywhere BECAUSE , URDU has DEFINITELY proved to be a very IMPORTANT and INTERESTING LANGUAGE in Pakistan,

      India and ALSO in many countries all over the World.The LOVERS of
      URDU in many countries are carrying out excellent work to PROMOTE
      this wonderful,beautiful language everywhere.

      It is essential that all of us continue efforts to make URDU
      language and URDU literature most popular among the young boys and
      girls and also among the people of all the age groups.


      Please click the following links for various Adabi Taqreebat /
      Literary Functions held recently including at the Arabian Gulf :-


      http://www.urdumanzil.com/adab_nama/...ore/index.html

      http://www.urdumanzil.com/adab_nama/farhat/index.html

      http://www.urdumanzil.com/adab_nama/...lub/index.html

      http://www.urdumanzil.com/adab_nama/...ily/index.html

      http://www.urdumanzil.com/adab_nama/ras/index.html

      http://www.urdumanzil.com/adab_nama/...n_2/index.html

      In UAE recently , arrangement of grand mushairas in Kalba near Fujairah.It was the first Urdu program / function ever held in Kalba which is nearly 130 km from Sharjah.
      There will be more mushairas in UMM AL QUWAIN.
      It will be first URDU function / program in this area.
      Jeevay Jeevay PAKISTAN

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      Urdu is a foreign language for people in Pakistan , If something should be promoted in Pakistan it should be English. It is the universal language now. The fact that your post is in English proves it.
      Don't get me wrong , my mother tongue is Urdu , but I am a realist and realize that Urdu can be a regional language as Punjabi, Sindhi, Pukhto/Pashto, Baluchi, Brahavi etc are.
      Till the time I used to live in Utopia ( Pakistan) I also used to have a myopic view of making Urdu national language of Pakistan. Yes it is considered a 'rabtay key zuban' and National language but lots of politics worked behind it. If English was made a national language and 'rabtay key zuban' , people in Pakistan would be using it as national language and rabtay key zuban.
      I am sure I am going to get a lot of boos for saying what I said but fact is a fact is a fact.
      The kids in All four provinces are overwhelmed and over burdened with the responsibility to learn , Urdu , English, Arabic, and one of the regional Languages. This create a big knowledge gap between the rural and urban population. I think it is a conspiracy to produce clerks , chapracies etc from the rural areas where there are no English medium schools.

      Mushaira's are not a proof of progress of a language or country. If medical , scientific, professional, journals and magazines and books are published in a language that proves real progress. Are there any research journals published in Urdu ? No. We resort to English language journals and magazines for that purpose.

      Got to go , I will post more of my thoughts on this subject.
      Fools never disagree.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Mirch View Post
      Urdu is a foreign language for people in Pakistan , If something should be promoted in Pakistan it should be English. It is the universal language now. The fact that your post is in English proves it.
      Don't get me wrong , my mother tongue is Urdu , but I am a realist and realize that Urdu can be a regional language as Punjabi, Sindhi, Pukhto/Pashto, Baluchi, Brahavi etc are.
      Till the time I used to live in Utopia ( Pakistan) I also used to have a myopic view of making Urdu national language of Pakistan. Yes it is considered a 'rabtay key zuban' and National language but lots of politics worked behind it. If English was made a national language and 'rabtay key zuban' , people in Pakistan would be using it as national language and rabtay key zuban.
      I am sure I am going to get a lot of boos for saying what I said but fact is a fact is a fact.
      The kids in All four provinces are overwhelmed and over burdened with the responsibility to learn , Urdu , English, Arabic, and one of the regional Languages. This create a big knowledge gap between the rural and urban population. I think it is a conspiracy to produce clerks , chapracies etc from the rural areas where there are no English medium schools.

      Mushaira's are not a proof of progress of a language or country. If medical , scientific, professional, journals and magazines and books are published in a language that proves real progress. Are there any research journals published in Urdu ? No. We resort to English language journals and magazines for that purpose.

      Got to go , I will post more of my thoughts on this subject.
      Normally I do not argue much with pseudonyms.....on such serious subject. Shugall-Mela apni jagah pe..iss leeay wahan shayad pseudonym chall jatee hai..!

      Now about your thoughts...I feel you need a very corrective and persuasive answer...hence I have taken a print out for the perusal of
      following;
      1. Dr. Jamiluddin Aali, H.I (D.Litt) ....former Deputy Chair of the Syndicate of the Federal GOVERNMENT URDU UNIVERSITY the 40 years back concept and dream of Baba-e-Urdu Moulvi Abdul Haq. (Dr.Aali incidently happens to be my father) Dr. Aali was also the Chairman of URDU DICTIONARY BOARD-Pakistan for 3 years.
      2. Dr. Farman Fatehpuri, Chairman URDU DICTIONARY BOARD-Pakistan.
      3. Dr. Aftab Ahmed Khan, President Anjuman Tarraqi-e-Urdu (Pakistan)
      and I assure you and this forum that I'll write verbatim...of what the above three GIANTS of URDU language..would have to say to your above thoughts.

      Regards,

      Raju Jamil (ar-jay)
      Jeevay Jeevay PAKISTAN

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      Dr. Farman, Dr. Aftab and Dr.Jamiluddin Aali...are scribing a detailed note on the print out of a submission....on this thread.

      In a few days...their thoughts will be placed on this thread.

      They are quite amazed on the misconception people have on URDU as the National Language of Pakistan......on its implementation.

      I am sorry that I am constrained to scribe here in English....but I am as helpless as any other....who too have criticised (my simple submission) in English and not in URDU..even roman urdu...

      Khush Rahein (now that's Urdu)

      Raju Jamil
      Jeevay Jeevay PAKISTAN

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      I wish to add more to give a fair chance to all the respected doctors Dr. Farman, Dr. Aftab and Dr.Jamiluddin Aali for a rebuttal.
      Coming out of an Urdu speaking family I have nothing but respect for these great scholars but I have to say what I think is just and needs to be said.
      The CSS exams in Pakistan are still conducted in English.
      The top scorers in those exams have to have great proficiency in English to pass CSS exams.
      The aptitude tests at all the centers of excellence in Pakistan are conducted in English e.g Agha Khan University, IBA, LUMS etc. to name a few.
      I am a proud graduate of one of those centers of excellence. I ended up getting a prestigious American scholarship in an open competition based on TOFL scores. Again it proves the importance of English. If I did not have that high proficiency in English I would not get that scholarship.
      The interviews at all the private and government institutions for Officer level recruitment are conducted in English.
      The medium of instructions at all the professional institutions in Pakistan is English , NED, LUMS, Agha Khan Medical University, Dow Medical College to name a few.
      If you watch independent private Urdu language channels from Pakistan you see so much English being mixed with Urdu it amazes me. Looks like English is taking over Urdu vocabulary . If is a going phenomenon then why not make it 100 % English to end everybody's misery.
      You have to have great proficiency in English to rise on the corporate ladder in Pakistan. Even for government officers they cannot get at higher levels if they are weak in English.
      So my take is if English is still so important and has penetrated so much in our lives why not end the misery of those once for all who advocate that Urdu as a national language of Pakistan.
      Pakistan has been an independent state for 60 years at least three generations have turned into adults. It is high time that advocates of Urdu as a national language give up and recognize that Urdu can never replace English fully in Pakistan as a national language. Sixty years is a long period for a language to replace English and take it over but it never happened and will never happen with the changing world.
      There are now modes of mass communication in the world, Internet , satellite, fiber optics. English has taken over these media already. Urdu can never achieve this kind of status on these mass media tools. Advocates of Urdu can at best work to make sure that Urdu is recognized at the national level as one of the regional languages , that too because most of the people who's mother tongue is Urdu live in certain parts of Sind in high concentration. I happen to come from one such family from Karachi.
      Last edited by Mirch; May 18th, 2008 at 10:06 PM.