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      Quote Originally Posted by Ali_Syed View Post
      Muqqawee have we got a thread on chaakar e azam
      yes we have that in history and one in culture about Hani Shah Murid (Shah Murid was a sardar in Chakar Khan's court)

      http://www.paklinks.com/gs/culture-l...ah-mureed.html (Pakistani Lok Dastan - Hani Shah Mureed)

      http://www.paklinks.com/gs/indo-pak-...ar-e-azam.html (Armour of Baloch Hero Chakar e Azam)

      PTV Quetta had a serial on life of Chakar e Azam

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      Quote Originally Posted by muqawwee123 View Post
      I've just put my hands on the book last night, its a voluminous work (above 1000 pages).

      Generally Baroch living in Kirthar range of Sindh are considered as those migrated from Balochistan. Ayaz Bhaghat proves otherwise. He says that Sindhi tribes are normally recognised due to their geographic location. Like LaaRi, Thari, Kohistani, Kachhai (all behind the names LaaR. Thar,Kohistan, Kaachho, etc). so Baroch is not the variant of Baloch. Baloch (Bal = strengh like kas bal, loch = chest), Baloch = chest power / front power. These people were first resistance to the invaders entering in Sindh and therefore got title of Baloch / Baroch and they were present in Sindh even at the time of Persian and Arab conquest.
      Whats the name of the book.
      Go through the book it would take some time for you to read it all.
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      Quote Originally Posted by muqawwee123 View Post
      yes we have that in history and one in culture about Hani Shah Murid (Shah Murid was a sardar in Chakar Khan's court)

      http://www.paklinks.com/gs/culture-l...ah-mureed.html (Pakistani Lok Dastan - Hani Shah Mureed)

      http://www.paklinks.com/gs/indo-pak-...ar-e-azam.html (Armour of Baloch Hero Chakar e Azam)

      PTV Quetta had a serial on life of Chakar e Azam

      Chakar-e-Azam Drama : Part 01 - YouTube
      Chakar e Azam, a guy so revered by Baloch's is buried in Punjab, and sadly no one knows him. I hope serious steps are taken to revive his tomb.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Ali_Syed View Post
      Whats the name of the book.
      Go through the book it would take some time for you to read it all.
      Its Sindh main rehandaR Zaatiyoon, Qomoon aen Qabeela covers around 500 castes, tribes, etc. An interesting point the writer mentions in preface that after the first edition of the book, he got some letters from some members of a caste showing their anger for calling them Sindhi origin as they always consider them as Arabs, etc

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      ^ Its interesting after reading it would it be possible for you to open up a thread on that?
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      Quote Originally Posted by muqawwee123 View Post
      he got some letters from some members of a caste showing their anger for calling them Sindhi origin as they always consider them as Arabs, etc
      Which caste was that?
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      This Chakar guy was a strange fellow, he started a war with Lasharis on a petty matter (perhaps killing of a baby camel). The war continued for 30 years, thousands were killed, many were displaced. After winning the war, Chakar just packed up his bags and left for Punjab.

      There's another interesting thing that during this period three brothers left Baloch lands and founded three cities which are now known as Dera Ghazi Khan, Dera Ismael Khan and Bhakkar.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Ali_Syed View Post
      ^ Its interesting after reading it would it be possible for you to open up a thread on that?
      will post about different castes in separate threads. It says that if Rind are excluded from Baloch (which can be excluded) all Balochs living in Sindh will become non-Baloch (Sindhi). lets see whats the mystery behind it as Rind includes famous castes like Chandio, Leghari, etc

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      Which caste was that?
      Khaskheli

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      Quote Originally Posted by Ali_Syed View Post
      This Chakar guy was a strange fellow, he started a war with Lasharis on a petty matter (perhaps killing of a baby camel). The war continued for 30 years, thousands were killed, many were displaced. After winning the war, Chakar just packed up his bags and left for Punjab.
      Its surrounded by folklore. As per legend, Chakar e Azam conquered whole Sindh, but history tells otherwise.

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      Quote Originally Posted by muqawwee123 View Post
      will post about different castes in separate threads. It says that if Rind are excluded from Baloch (which can be excluded) all Balochs living in Sindh will become non-Baloch (Sindhi). lets see whats the mystery behind it as Rind includes famous castes like Chandio, Leghari, etc
      I have met Rinds and they consider themselves Baloch. Even Chakar e Azam was a Rind.

      Historically it could go the other way as well, they could well be a Sindhi tribe which has over the years settled in Balochistan. I believe Rind is the biggest tribe in Balochistan.
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      Quote Originally Posted by muqawwee123 View Post
      will post about different castes in separate threads. It says that if Rind are excluded from Baloch (which can be excluded) all Balochs living in Sindh will become non-Baloch (Sindhi). lets see whats the mystery behind it as Rind includes famous castes like Chandio, Leghari, etc
      Many things would clear when you read that book, otherwise it seems as if the Baloch have adopted the languages where they were based (which is a good thing).
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      Quote Originally Posted by Ali_Syed View Post
      I have met Rinds and they consider themselves Baloch. Even Chakar e Azam was a Rind.
      Today Rinds are considered as actual / real Balochs and all the tribes try to link themselves with Rind to prove their superiority.

      But historically, Rind got refuge of Raja Dahir after escaping from Hajjaj (thats why Baloch folklore including their famous book Dapitar Sher claims that Balochs are from Halab, Iraq) . They were known as Allafis in Arabs and one of the reason (amongst various other reasons) for Arab attack on Sindh was refuge of these Allafis / Rind. If Rinds are considered as Allafis (refugees), then the question arises 'who are the actual Baloch tribes, who inhibited the land before Allafis / Rind'?' Obviously Balochistan was not an uninhibited area before 8th century.
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