Urdu grammar question

aurchaepiyo · Aug 14th, 2009, 01:56 PM

When you have a word which ends in ہ he, like سودہ saudah, (groceries or merchandise), what is the plural?

And if you add a postposition, like کا ka, for instance, does the word stay سودہ saudah? Or does it change toسودے saude, as in سودے کا دام saude-ka daam?

FairyTale · Aug 14th, 2009, 02:12 PM

Saudah Or Sauday.... who cares? What matters is who is paying the bill for Sauda

Bushra · Aug 14th, 2009, 05:43 PM

or ye soda Alif per end hota hai Hy ya h per nahi

aurchaepiyo · Aug 14th, 2009, 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Bushra

or ye soda Alif per end hota hai Hy ya h per nahi

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You're right. Kitni be-vakuf hun!! No wonder I couldn't figure it out. Because when I use a word like راستہ rasta, I don't even have to think about how the endings should be -- it just comes naturally.

But one more question on سودا sauda. When it is used to mean a grocer's merchandise/stock, is it plural already, or should one say سودے saude. Like for more than one kind of item?

And what is the correct term for the cart that street vendors push around?

diwana · Aug 14th, 2009, 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by aurchaepiyo

When you have a word which ends in ہ he, like سودہ saudah, (groceries or merchandise), what is the plural?

And if you add a postposition, like کا ka, for instance, does the word stay سودہ saudah? Or does it change toسودے saude, as in سودے کا دام saude-ka daam?

Souda has no 'H' in it when written or spoken as far as I can understand.

Saude-Ka-Daam is a little odd, not very popular, but still possible.

Better way would be

Saude-Ki-Qeemat

or

Saude-Ka- Muav'zah.

zobia · Aug 15th, 2009, 01:12 AM

there suppose to be alif, not a gol hay at the end of the Soda

FairyTale · Aug 17th, 2009, 01:38 AM

I think Sauda is plural itself

Sauda Salaf is the word you can use. Like mein souda salaf lainay gaiee thi.

Sauday is not plural but just the way you use it to fit in some sentence. Like as you said Sauday ke Daam sounds more proper then Sauda ka daam.

Hashmat Usmani · Aug 18th, 2009, 12:26 AM

salaam

i'm new among you. i hail from Lucknow and studied at AligaRh Muslim University. i'm a Plant pathologist. i live in Canada and, amazingly, i still reside in Lucknow...that is...Lucknow, Ontario, Canada . isn't it a great co-incidence?

ab aate haiN is laRii [thread] kii taraf. the word Saudaa [seen, vaao, daal, alif] is always singular but is also used as plural. there is no "he" at the end. its always alif. in urdu shairi if the qawaafii [singular; qaafiya = rhyming words] end in the letter "he" OR "alif" then both letters are interchangable in subsequent qawaafii. like the words, sauda [alif], haudah [he], paudah (plants) [he], chaudah [fourteen with he] etc

by the way, saudaa also means "junoon/paagalpam/lunacy" so in urdu shaa'irii most of the times the word saudaa means junoon. meraa hii ek she'r hai:

paate hii jhalak unkii dil ban gayaa saudaaii
ik pal kaa nazaarah thaa, ik umr kii rusvaaii

TLK · Aug 18th, 2009, 01:45 PM

just like words chataan, paththar, darakht will turn into Chataanon, paththaaron, darakhton for plural, sauda will become saudon ...

like 'aaj tamam soudon ka hisaab ker laiatay hain

FairyTale · Aug 18th, 2009, 02:09 PM

^ aaj tamaam khaaton ka hisaab kar laitay hain" not soudon ka hisaab

*khaata... Khe alif Tey Alif

TLK · Aug 18th, 2009, 02:10 PM

khaaton? .. what is that FT

IdentityLost · Aug 18th, 2009, 02:15 PM

Yahan sab chalta hai.... urdu bolne mein bakra ki jama kei baar bakrez b ban jati hai.. no matter... we enjoy...

FairyTale · Aug 18th, 2009, 02:17 PM

TLK khaata means like Account, customer account.. ( in urdu we say.... Yeh paisay kis ke khaatay mien jaain ge? )

i guess khaata is wrong word there. but soudon doesnt seem to be right either

TLK · Aug 18th, 2009, 02:26 PM

I am trying to find a shair that has word soudon in it ...

first I though you are talking about khaton .. as in letters .. 'oodhar se guzra, kabhee to loon ga, meray khaton ko nikaal rakhna'

FairyTale · Aug 18th, 2009, 02:42 PM

wahhhhhhhh kiya baat hai aap ki TLK.. very nice shair

TLK · Aug 18th, 2009, 02:45 PM

^ do you know the whole ghazal? I just know 3 shairs. if you do, could you share please..

diwana · Aug 18th, 2009, 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Hashmat Usmani

salaam

i'm new among you. i hail from Lucknow and studied at AligaRh Muslim University. i'm a Plant pathologist. i live in Canada and, amazingly, i still reside in Lucknow...that is...Lucknow, Ontario, Canada . isn't it a great co-incidence?

ab aate haiN is laRii [thread] kii taraf. the word Saudaa [seen, vaao, daal, alif] is always singular but is also used as plural. there is no "he" at the end. its always alif. in urdu shairi if the qawaafii [singular; qaafiya = rhyming words] end in the letter "he" OR "alif" then both letters are interchangable in subsequent qawaafii. like the words, sauda [alif], haudah [he], paudah (plants) [he], chaudah [fourteen with he] etc

by the way, saudaa also means "junoon/paagalpam/lunacy" so in urdu shaa'irii most of the times the word saudaa means junoon. meraa hii ek she'r hai:

paate hii jhalak unkii dil ban gayaa saudaaii
ik pal kaa nazaarah thaa, ik umr kii rusvaaii

Wah!

Good explanation of using 'hay' or 'Alif' to be able to use in a shayr.

diwana · Aug 18th, 2009, 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by TLK

just like words chataan, paththar, darakht will turn into Chataanon, paththaaron, darakhton for plural, sauda will become saudon ...

like 'aaj tamam soudon ka hisaab ker laiatay hain

Yes. Soudon is used as a common slang though.

aurchaepiyo · Aug 18th, 2009, 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Hashmat Usmani

salaam

i'm new among you. i hail from Lucknow and studied at AligaRh Muslim University. i'm a Plant pathologist. i live in Canada and, amazingly, i still reside in Lucknow...that is...Lucknow, Ontario, Canada . isn't it a great co-incidence?

ab aate haiN is laRii [thread] kii taraf. the word Saudaa [seen, vaao, daal, alif] is always singular but is also used as plural. there is no "he" at the end. its always alif. in urdu shairi if the qawaafii [singular; qaafiya = rhyming words] end in the letter "he" OR "alif" then both letters are interchangable in subsequent qawaafii. like the words, sauda [alif], haudah [he], paudah (plants) [he], chaudah [fourteen with he] etc

by the way, saudaa also means "junoon/paagalpam/lunacy" so in urdu shaa'irii most of the times the word saudaa means junoon. meraa hii ek she'r hai:

paate hii jhalak unkii dil ban gayaa saudaaii
ik pal kaa nazaarah thaa, ik umr kii rusvaaii

Thank you for your help!

Now can anyone tell me what a vendor's cart is called? Like the pushcart kind? and what about the donkey cart kind?

diwana · Aug 18th, 2009, 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by aurchaepiyo

Thank you for your help!

Now can anyone tell me what a vendor's cart is called? Like the pushcart kind? and what about the donkey cart kind?

Where are you getting all these questions from?

You have a test to give or checking who is good in Urdu?

vendor cart= Tthay-la, Rheh'rda,

donkey cart= Gadhaa Gaa'rdi.