Female circumcision halal? - Page 2

Mabrook · Mar 9th, 2007, 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Naughty by Nature

Well actually Mabrook it is a paraishani for the male cos no male would be hoping for a woman without a clitoris....i feel sorry for the girl cos she can not experience physical pleasure and i feel sorry for the guy cos you just aint gonna be able to pleasure that woman...

kuoon kia aap ki family main kisi ne ab tak aisa kia hai ya aap apni baiti ka kerain gayjo aap paraishan hain ?just leave it dude.fazool baat hai.

Naughty by Nature · Mar 9th, 2007, 10:37 PM

Mabrook...
fazool baat nain hain...the nature of mutilation is it makes intercourse a very uncomfortable process...thats fact...and it is important to both men and women to have good sexual relations...for both women and men this is lost...
So fair enough its not my issue but its an important issue never the less especially when it tends to take place in 'Islamic' countries where the misconcieved notion of mutilation being Islamic is pushed...hence why it is then a topic of discussion...

sweet.i.f · Mar 10th, 2007, 03:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Sara516

Everything always comes down to evil americans and evil west

PP, showkot, when u choose ur wives, make sure that u get a good look at everything to c if they're being truly "islamic"

yep!

showkot · Mar 10th, 2007, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Sara516

PP, showkot, when u choose ur wives, make sure that u get a good look at everything to c if they're being truly "islamic"

Who said that i was in favour of female circumsicion, it is only the Shafii school of thought which considers it to be fard. I follow the Hanafi madhab

Mabrook · Mar 10th, 2007, 05:05 PM

Shaafi u mean wahabi.i was brought up in saudi arabia but some how i never heard any arab dong it to her daughter.

kazi · Mar 10th, 2007, 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Naughty by Nature

Well actually Mabrook it is a paraishani for the male cos no male would be hoping for a woman without a clitoris....i feel sorry for the girl cos she can not experience physical pleasure and i feel sorry for the guy cos you just aint gonna be able to pleasure that woman...

...put soo elegantly

Mabrook · Mar 10th, 2007, 11:13 PM

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Originally Posted by kazi

...put soo elegantly

yup sharm o lihaz khatam ho gaya hai apni kaum k bachon main

-Promiscuous Paki- · Mar 11th, 2007, 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Sara516

Let's take a look at the issue at hand OK? Female mutilation by ANY society's or culture's standards is WRONG. Why is that so difficult for some people to believe? Do they really know what happens when a woman is "circumcised"? They cut off her clitoris and labia. It's done using dull, unsterilized objects. Ther'es no anaesthesia involved, and it's done at every age, not just at 1 day old, unlike with boys. It can lead to painful infections. THey do this so that she will remain "pure" and "virginal" because sex will be soooo painful that there's no chance they will cheat. The only way female circumcision is acceptable, is if the labia happen to be too long and cutting part of it off will lead to greater comfort and better hygienic practices but that's not how it's done in those countries.

There are different types of female circumcision around the world.. You need to differentiate between the mutilation types which Islam condemns (labia/clioris cut off) and the types which Islam allows (foreskin cut off).

The kind you mentioned where the labia and clitoris are cut off is definately unIslamic, it is not really circumcision but rather genital-mutilation..

The kind of circumcision Islam allows is where only the little bit of prepuce (foreskin) covering the clitoris is nipped not the clitoris itself (that would be unIslamic), it is exactly the same as male circumcision where the prepuce/foreskin covering the penis glans is cut off.

We need to get this straight that Islam condemns the forms of female "circumcision" where the labia/clit are cut off or where it is sewn up or where a cross is engraved into the clit but what Islam does allow is to nip the little bit of foreskin/prepuce covering the clitoris, this skin can cause problems in hot climates as it can grow quite long and give a "penis like" impression and there's also the problem of smelly smegma (clit cheese?

) if the woman is not very clean.

However female circumcision is not compulsory the way male circumcision is, it is unheard of in most Islamic countries unless the prepuce has grown so big that it looks hideous, and it is hard for the husband to stimulate his wife there under all that skin.

Sexually satisfying ones wife is a religious obligation upon Muslim husbands, having sex with ones wife is a kind of worship and denying women sexual satisfaction is a sin so obviously cutting off her clitoris/labia would be sinful too because most women don't orgasm through penetration but rather stimulating the clitoris.

Naughty by Nature · Mar 11th, 2007, 01:35 PM

Mabrook and Kazi,,,
I thought id give astraight answe rrather than beating around the bush...

Promsicuous Paki...
Good post...

ojitos · Mar 22nd, 2007, 12:24 PM

Good to know the real reasons, the real necessity..
Most religions set their rules due to basic needs of its society...

It is a shame that some people change these rules to satisfy a special situation and do not care the general well-being for humanity.

Thus giving to the rest of the world a first wrong impression...

Thanks Promiscuous Paki