threads about ahmadi beliefs in religion forum

[chacha_Ghalib]

Originally Posted by hanibal

Typical of urs, when have no answer this is the way to react.. carry on...

Anyway Muslima Kazab and his fellows ( among whom Mirza Ghulam Ahmed Qadyan is the latest) are the Dajjals... any idea about that hadees...

i'm losing my patience with this bull****... i can attack and provoke just as much if not more and then all the 'muslims' will be crying about hurt feelings

search all the ahmadi related threads and u'll see that we have been very very patient with all the crap the so called 'muslims' come up with against us

i've tried over and over to have a productive discussion with most of these guys and have found none willing to learn... the aim is always to indulge in mudslinging and provoking. Its allegation after allegation after allegation.

Hence i ask that such threads should not be allowed. If you insist on freedom of expression then there must be some checks and balances. Go through all the threads on such topics and u'll find many many ofensive posts towards ahmadis still there. But that shouldn't surprise anyone, because when you have moderators who also hold similar views then such offensive remarks seem quite tame.

[TLK]

Religion is a very sensitive issue CG. No matter how unbiased admins and Mods can become, there is always some factor that can never be agreed by both parties. Best is to avoid such thread as much as possible.

next time, when you quote someone, please also provide the link to that thread, Its easy that way for the mods.

[chacha_Ghalib]

TLK i have been avoiding them for a long while. But my point is that such threads have no constructive purpose whatsoever. They are always creating hostility and enemity between members of the forum. So why not get rid of such topics. The other point i had was that a majority of the moderators that i've seen in my three years here also held similar views. As such, they might consider a remark quite harmless, which in fact is very insulting to others. Also the post i quoted and many more by the same poster and ohters have insulted religious personalities of ahmadis, which is a direct contravention of the policies of the religion forum. The same people keep at it and are still here. I assume, for the sake of fairness, that they are given warnings but if that is true how come their points never add up to warrent banning?

As for the link, if you click on the arrow by the name of the poster, it takes you directly to the quoted post, thus eliminating the need to search for the offensive post.

[TLK]

Point noted and advice posted in that thread

[CM]

Actually this website has a few mods who are Ahmadies and they usually refrain from getting involved. So they aren't biased.

Lastly on the matter at hand. You guys aren't Muslims. The last sermon of the Holy Prophet says just that. I frankly suggest you categorize yourselves as a new religion and get that sorted. The Bahai in Iran did it. The Druze are another example.

[Mr.Popat]

naam apna un se juda kar ke, aor byaan un paak hasti ka (SAW). Ho he nai sakta bhai.

PS: CM, Let Muslim call themselves Muslims. There are some differences between Ahmadis and other orthodox Muslims, which should not be a problem. If people who curse the first 2 khulfa e rashideen, have a different kalima ( which according to you should make one Muslim ), can be classified as Muslims , why not then Ahmadis? We talk and argue based on Quran and Hadiths, and you ask us to categorize ourselves something other than Muslims ? Frankly man, would you rather want Christians to spread their false religion in places like Africa and not Ahmadis who will be providing them with the book which is the last word of Allah?, which will make them pray like a Muslim? the teachings which will make them love Prophet Muhammad PBUH? So christians or Ahmadi Muslims? You people have always been the judge.. judge that scenerio too.. since u dont let Allah be the judge.

If your version of Islam is to call other fellow Muslims Kaafir, disgrace other peoples belief, killing innocent people in the name of religion then i always say that Im not a believer of this Islam. Categorize us what you want then.

[CM]

Making a mockery out of the last sermon of the Holy Prophet (SAW) I think no mulim will tolerate. Either you accept that the Holy Prophet (SAW) stated that there will be no prophet after him or you think he lied. Its that simple.

[Bigboi]

Originally Posted by CM

Making a mockery out of the last sermon of the Holy Prophet (SAW) I think no mulim will tolerate. Either you accept that the Holy Prophet (SAW) stated that there will be no prophet after him or you think he lied. Its that simple.

just shut your mouth! and keep it closed! Do you think you are doing a favor for your Prophet (saw)? You are not! Refrain from telling the people who are Muslims or not! Don't try to become God! Don't do Shirk, warna tu Kutte ki Mot marre ga. Yeh Khuda ki Sasaa hoi gi phir!

[Mr.Popat]

Bigboi, This is no way to reply someone like that. I request you to refrain from such language, or keep yourself out from such heated discussions. thanks.

[Mr.Popat]

Originally Posted by CM

Making a mockery out of the last sermon of the Holy Prophet (SAW) I think no mulim will tolerate. Either you accept that the Holy Prophet (SAW) stated that there will be no prophet after him or you think he lied. Its that simple.

On many hadiths, Prophet Muhammad called prophet Isa AS to be a nabi. Now according to you when He AS will come bodily, He AS will no longer have His naboowat with Him. Either you accept the hadiths where He AS was referred to as nabiAllah, or you reject it. It is that simple for you too.

PS: anyway, this thread is not meant to bring about accusations on jamaat e ahmadiyya. Enough has been discussed already, but you seem to not participate in that, which is all good.

Help the mods of religion forum have a neutral point of view. Or they have no reason to be mods.

Keep the opinions about jamaat e ahmadiyya to yourself. We give less credit to your saying of whether we are muslims or not. Let Allah be the judge , and let Muslims call themselves Muslims. Islam is not owned by people like you.

[hanibal]

Originally Posted by chacha_Ghalib

i'm losing my patience with this bull****... i can attack and provoke just as much if not more and then all the 'muslims' will be crying about hurt feelings

search all the ahmadi related threads and u'll see that we have been very very patient with all the crap the so called 'muslims' come up with against us

i've tried over and over to have a productive discussion with most of these guys and have found none willing to learn... the aim is always to indulge in mudslinging and provoking. Its allegation after allegation after allegation.

Hence i ask that such threads should not be allowed. If you insist on freedom of expression then there must be some checks and balances. Go through all the threads on such topics and u'll find many many ofensive posts towards ahmadis still there. But that shouldn't surprise anyone, because when you have moderators who also hold similar views then such offensive remarks seem quite tame.

whats wrong with the comment??? that is what Muslims believe!!! so now muslims who talks about their religion, you take it as an offense... but what about the members of ur very own community using some low-level street language on contiunes basis!!! is that what you like!!! or is that also part of ur belief ( i have no idea what to say if it is, and i doubt it is)

[chacha_Ghalib]

good God!

i thought this was feedback. hanibal muslims believe in a lot of stuff and so do non-muslims. Would the board allow a christian, for example, to post their opinion of our Holy Prophet (saw) if that opinion is hostile? They obviously don't agree on the prophethood of our Holy Prophet(saw), or they would've accepted him. Same can be said of hindus or others who consider muslims to be following the wrong way.

This is the point bigots don't understand. There is a difference between disagreement and mudslinging.

[aqeel123]

Originally Posted by Mr.Popat

naam apna un se juda kar ke, aor byaan un paak hasti ka (SAW). Ho he nai sakta bhai.

PS: CM, Let Muslim call themselves Muslims. There are some differences between Ahmadis and other orthodox Muslims, which should not be a problem. If people who curse the first 2 khulfa e rashideen, have a different kalima ( which according to you should make one Muslim ), can be classified as Muslims , why not then Ahmadis? We talk and argue based on Quran and Hadiths, and you ask us to categorize ourselves something other than Muslims ? Frankly man, would you rather want Christians to spread their false religion in places like Africa and not Ahmadis who will be providing them with the book which is the last word of Allah?, which will make them pray like a Muslim? the teachings which will make them love Prophet Muhammad PBUH? So christians or Ahmadi Muslims? You people have always been the judge.. judge that scenerio too.. since u dont let Allah be the judge.

If your version of Islam is to call other fellow Muslims Kaafir, disgrace other peoples belief, killing innocent people in the name of religion then i always say that Im not a believer of this Islam. Categorize us what you want then.

u werent declared non-muslims in gup-shup forum .... it was in court rite ? when shias show some grudge against anyone they show the back from Quran or Bukhari.......If it was easy to challenge shia kalma, trust me there are alot who wud have gone to court by now. when u say u argue from Quran and hadith u kind of do ur own interpetition of Quran and only pick the ahadith that u like. which books do u consider authenic book of ahaadith ?

if u have any objections on shia beleives u shld open a thread and ask questions .

[hanibal]

Originally Posted by chacha_Ghalib

good God!

i thought this was feedback. hanibal muslims believe in a lot of stuff and so do non-muslims. Would the board allow a christian, for example, to post their opinion of our Holy Prophet (saw) if that opinion is hostile? They obviously don't agree on the prophethood of our Holy Prophet(saw), or they would've accepted him. Same can be said of hindus or others who consider muslims to be following the wrong way.

This is the point bigots don't understand. There is a difference between disagreement and mudslinging.

I don't how stating a hadees is mudslinging... as per muslims any one who claims to be a prophet after prophet Mohammad (SAAW) is an imposter.. now this is one of the basi beliefs of Muslims... not of hanibal... but this thing won't be understood by any bigots i can assure u that...

[Spock]

Originally Posted by chacha_Ghalib

Would the board allow a christian, for example, to post their opinion of our Holy Prophet (saw) if that opinion is hostile? They obviously don't agree on the prophethood of our Holy Prophet(saw), or they would've accepted him. Same can be said of hindus or others who consider muslims to be following the wrong way.

But then again, they dont claim they are muslims my friend.

p.s. im not judging you, just making a moot point you might have overlooked, hope you dont find any disrespect in that.

[hitchki]

amen. If you don't tick the boxes, you don't get the label.

You may argue by the Koran and Hadith, but very cleverly you can get some "Ahmedi" Korans. Both convenient and religion-lite. And as great as that is, the two different points of reference make any comparative arguments a little moot (as religion is based on the irrational by definition).

Basically, chill-out and get a new name. I like Cleopatra.

[test01]

Originally Posted by CM

I frankly suggest you categorize yourselves as a new religion and get that sorted.

Plenty of your molvis died hoping for it. You keep on dreaming too.

Sorry not going to happen. On second thought, I am not sorry.

[test01]

PS: If Ahmadis are not Muslim then who is? Oh..those Kalashnikov wielding madrassa educated terrorists? OK got it.

Thank god for Ahmadis for giving Islam some credibility otherwise it is squarely considered a religion of terror.

[test01]

Originally Posted by hitchki

Basically, chill-out and get a new name. I like Cleopatra.

Why don't YOU change your name? Your religion of terror has no resemblance with Islam.

[nadz123]

oh my. the reason jews are very powerful, is because they are united.

the reason muslims are treated like scum, is because we are not.