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      I was just thinking that when a non-muslim dies according to our belief he/she is not betowed to Jannah so why we call them rest in peace or May Allah rest him in peace :aq: This thread is not to offened anyone. But if someone dies we feel sorry for them but we cannot say to them that May ALLAh grant to you jannah or give you peeace.Its between ALLAH and them but according to my knowledge you cannot pray for a non-muslim that he should be forgiven. So why we do that? Disscuss or share your views
      "The point is Allah. And everything besides Allah, is besides the point."

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      May be we are not suppose to say this?

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      Mere janaaze par na aaiye phir. I imagine Allah will do as he sees fit, with or without your empty words.

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      I think we have to make some assumptions here. Was this a good person? Did thiis person make good contributions to society and people? Live a good life? If yes then by all means send them with every prayer. If no, then say a private prayer for their soul.

      I may be wrong in my personal beleifs but I think a good person - no matter what religion (if any at all!)....if they were a good person then God/Allah will forgive and receive them.

      God/Allah is forgiving and beneficient yeah? So we must be too.

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      In aiyat main saf saf kaha giya hai ke Isai, yahudi ya sabai ju bhi aik amal kery ga Janat main jaey ga Kiya is ke baad kisi behas ki gunjaish hai??? Dosra agar is ayiyat ke maqabley main koi hadess ya CHAR IMAMON HANBAL< SHAFI ETC ki koi misal lai gai tu main os pe iman nahi rekhti yeh aisy hi hai jaisey key yhudi or Isai apni ktabon main tehreef ker baithy Qiran main ye hu nahi sakti thi tu ji char imams k atanta khra ker ky on ki tshreehat ki Islam ka aam de diya giya.


      Is ayiyat main aik trha se muslamnon ko mana kiya giya hai ke tum bhi Isaion or Yahodion ke trha mat kerna ke sirf ham bakhshey jain gey
      Ad Umee Zaferah tell me agar aik Muslamn sharab bhi peeta hai, jwa bhi khailta hai or zinna bhi kerta hai aj kal khulam khula ker rahy hain os ke liey ap keh sakti hain ke Rest in peace tu becharey Michael Jackson ya Farah ka kiya qasoor ke ham on ke liey nahi keh sakty????

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      Miss Bushra is mein aap ney yeh bhi parha ke yahoodi yaa issaaii in mein so jo bhi ALLAH per and pichlay dino per imaan laayein gay and kaam karein achay naaa un ko darr ho naa khaauf.

      to is seh to yeh baat zahir hoti hai ke imaan laaneey ke baad hi aap bakhshay jaayein gay and what about jo log butoon ki pooja kertay hain :aq:
      And I am not concern about MJ Or Farrah koii bhi insaan ho kaya kaha jaaye sochnay wali baat to yeh hai, its an issue and then again I said aap ney ghussay mein nahi anaa this thread is for discussion only it doesn't show my views.
      "The point is Allah. And everything besides Allah, is besides the point."

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      And one more thing Bushra "Rest in Peace" is not a bad word because is mein ALLAH kaa zikr nahi to yeh to ham kisi ke liye bhi use ker saktey hain just to clarify taa ke tum baad mein mujhe gaaliyaan naa deti phiro
      "The point is Allah. And everything besides Allah, is besides the point."

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      Quote Originally Posted by Irf77 View Post
      May be we are not suppose to say this?
      May be proe it why we are not suppose to say that?

      Quote Originally Posted by aurchaepiyo View Post
      Mere janaaze par na aaiye phir. I imagine Allah will do as he sees fit, with or without your empty words.
      bhaii aap to ghussay mein hio aa gaye jab ke kaha thaa khali discuss karo
      Quote Originally Posted by Mamaof3 View Post
      I think we have to make some assumptions here. Was this a good person? Did thiis person make good contributions to society and people? Live a good life? If yes then by all means send them with every prayer. If no, then say a private prayer for their soul.

      I may be wrong in my personal beleifs but I think a good person - no matter what religion (if any at all!)....if they were a good person then God/Allah will forgive and receive them.

      God/Allah is forgiving and beneficient yeah? So we must be too.
      Good thinking mom of 3 you are a very humble and gentle woman. May be small words "Rest in peace" doesn't hurt and its a pray for everyone.
      "The point is Allah. And everything besides Allah, is besides the point."

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      Quote Originally Posted by Bushra;6617485Dosra agar is ayiyat ke maqabley main koi hadess ya CHAR IMAMON HANBAL< SHAFI ETC ki koi misal lai gai tu main os pe iman nahi rekhti yeh aisy hi hai jaisey key yhudi or Isai apni ktabon main tehreef ker baithy Qiran main ye hu nahi sakti thi tu ji char imams k atanta khra ker ky on ki tshreehat ki Islam ka aam de diya giya.
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      Is ayiyat main aik trha se muslamnon ko mana kiya giya hai ke tum bhi Isaion or Yahodion ke trha mat kerna ke sirf ham bakhshey jain gey
      Come again please khuch samjh nahi aap ki yeh baat
      "The point is Allah. And everything besides Allah, is besides the point."

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      Quote Originally Posted by ume-zafeerah View Post
      Miss Bushra is mein aap ney yeh bhi parha ke yahoodi yaa issaaii in mein so jo bhi ALLAH per and pichlay dino per imaan laayein gay and kaam karein achay naaa un ko darr ho naa khaauf.

      to is seh to yeh baat zahir hoti hai ke imaan laaneey ke baad hi aap bakhshay jaayein gay and what about jo log butoon ki pooja kertay hain :aq:
      And I am not concern about MJ Or Farrah koii bhi insaan ho kaya kaha jaaye sochnay wali baat to yeh hai, its an issue and then again I said aap ney ghussay mein nahi anaa this thread is for discussion only it doesn't show my [U]views
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      Ghusa kis n ekiya hai Quraan ki ayat dikhana ghusa dikhana hai:aq: Or agar aaap ke khiyalta /views nahi hain tu app ne ye kion FARMIYA ke "my thinking"

      Kal tak main bhi hans perti thi jab koi Innalilah kehta tha ghair muslim ke liey baad main main ne socha Allah tu her aik ko rizaq daita hai chahey koi osey many ya n amaney ham kaon hoty hain Sadqa khairaat tak ke liey keh daity hain bas mUlsim ko lagey gi kisi ghairmuslim ko nahi. Muslim honey key liy Akhri nnbai Muhammad (slala wa alihi waslam) per iman lana zarori hai agar isai Allah ko manty hain God keh ker hi sahih tu In aiyat ki roshni main unhin bhi swab mily ga.


      Quote Originally Posted by ume-zafeerah View Post
      And one more thing Bushra "Rest in Peace" is not a bad word because is mein ALLAH kaa zikr nahi to yeh to ham kisi ke liye bhi use ker saktey hain just to clarify taa ke tum baad mein mujhe gaaliyaan naa deti phiro
      Ghusa tu aap ko a rta nazar a raha hai main kab or kahan galian di hain?? or waisy bhi mery jaisey log mu per gali daity hain or MUNAFIQ dill main
      Quote Originally Posted by ume-zafeerah View Post
      Come again please khuch samjh nahi aap ki yeh baat
      Main yehi keh rahi hon ke In Aiyat ki tashreeh jab Imam Hanbal, Shafaai or others two Malik and I think Abu Hanifa tab ye le atty hain ke jee ye sirf Muslman honey key baad hai. Amano Iman waley chahey Yahodi hun ya Isai Allah qiamat ke din faisla kery ga.
      Quraan main yahan yehi hai ke jis mazhab ka banda bhi naik amal kery ga bakhshish ka wada hai os se jab tashreehaat kerty hain log tu isey kuch ka kuch bana daity hain sabit kerty hain ke bas Muslim woh hai ju Muslim ghar main paida hu giya or koi amal kiya na kiya khair hai
      PS: Iqbal ne kaha hai na Allah ke sheron ko atti nahi ROBAHI
      Bghal main churri mu main Ram Ram Muslims ka nahi Munafqeen ka shewa hai Muslim samney se war kerta hai Munafiq peeth peechy
      These are just some views please don't be offended It's related to the subject in my opinion. As discussing do we pray for non muslims
      Last edited by Bushra; Jun 28th, 2009 at 10:10 PM.

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      Rest in Peace has nothing to do with Akhirat, it is referring to the time one has to spend in that qabar. I believe that we can wish some one maghfirat from azaab-e-qabar, regardless of his/her faith ..

      I am not sure .. I think we can
      My father believed that if the world found out who I really was they'd reject me out of fear.

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      Quote Originally Posted by TLK View Post
      Rest in Peace has nothing to do with Akhirat, it is referring to the time one has to spend in that qabar. I believe that we can wish some one maghfirat from azaab-e-qabar, regardless of his/her faith ..

      I am not sure .. I think we can
      Wah!Wah! Kiya mukhtasir o Jamy jwab hai Aik main hon bas na chahty hoey bhi BAAT se BAAT nikal jati hai

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      when muslim dies he goes to muslim jannah, when hindu dies he goes to hindu jannah, when christian dies he goes to christian jannah,

      and all depends on how they lead their lifes, even though he prays 5 times a day( i don't know just guessing) , he doesn't to go to jannah, because he is a terroist
      Never Think of Past - It brings Tears.
      Never Think of Future - It brings Fears.
      So live life in present and Cheers.

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      Quote Originally Posted by TLK View Post
      Rest in Peace has nothing to do with Akhirat, it is referring to the time one has to spend in that qabar. I believe that we can wish some one maghfirat from azaab-e-qabar, regardless of his/her faith ..

      I am not sure .. I think we can
      Don't you forget when Prophet Mohammad (p.b.u.h.) prayed for Hazrat abu Talib for 70 times and ALLAH forbid him not to pray anymore because he didn't beliee in one ALLAH. I think as far as I remember this thing is true that Hazrat AB Talib never became muslim.
      "The point is Allah. And everything besides Allah, is besides the point."

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      Quote Originally Posted by Bushra View Post
      Ghusa kis n ekiya hai Quraan ki ayat dikhana ghusa dikhana hai:aq: Or agar aaap ke khiyalta /views nahi hain tu app ne ye kion FARMIYA ke "my thinking"

      Kal tak main bhi hans perti thi jab koi Innalilah kehta tha ghair muslim ke liey baad main main ne socha Allah tu her aik ko rizaq daita hai chahey koi osey many ya n amaney ham kaon hoty hain Sadqa khairaat tak ke liey keh daity hain bas mUlsim ko lagey gi kisi ghairmuslim ko nahi. Muslim honey key liy Akhri nnbai Muhammad (slala wa alihi waslam) per iman lana zarori hai agar isai Allah ko manty hain God keh ker hi sahih tu In aiyat ki roshni main unhin bhi swab mily ga.


      Ghusa tu aap ko a rta nazar a raha hai main kab or kahan galian di hain?? or waisy bhi mery jaisey log mu per gali daity hain or MUNAFIQ dill main


      Main yehi keh rahi hon ke In Aiyat ki tashreeh jab Imam Hanbal, Shafaai or others two Malik and I think Abu Hanifa tab ye le atty hain ke jee ye sirf Muslman honey key baad hai. Amano Iman waley chahey Yahodi hun ya Isai Allah qiamat ke din faisla kery ga.
      Quraan main yahan yehi hai ke jis mazhab ka banda bhi naik amal kery ga bakhshish ka wada hai os se jab tashreehaat kerty hain log tu isey kuch ka kuch bana daity hain sabit kerty hain ke bas Muslim woh hai ju Muslim ghar main paida hu giya or koi amal kiya na kiya khair hai
      PS: Iqbal ne kaha hai na Allah ke sheron ko atti nahi ROBAHI
      Bghal main churri mu main Ram Ram Muslims ka nahi Munafqeen ka shewa hai Muslim samney se war kerta hai Munafiq peeth peechy
      These are just some views please don't be offended It's related to the subject in my opinion. As discussing do we pray for non muslims
      aap ney jo ayaat paish ki hain woh yeh batati hain ke isaii and yahood to Hazrat Mohammad (p.b.u.h.) se pehlay they and us zamanay mein woh ALLAH per imaan laaye they Hazrat Mohammad (p.b.u.h.) ke baad sab ko Hazrat Mohammad ko manna hai . Quran ke annay mein and us ke ander jo historic baatein hain un ke context ko aqal kke saath parhein

      Bushra chalein aap is baat kaa jawaab dein ke aap ki baat se to yeh sabit hoa ke yahood or nasara ban jana chahiye sab ko Hazrat Mohammad ko anay ki kia zaroorat thi sab pagal hain jo musalmaan hain us zamanay mein yahoodiyon and nasraniyon ko kaya zaroorat parhi thi ke musalmaan ho jaatey
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      Quote Originally Posted by TLK View Post
      Rest in Peace has nothing to do with Akhirat, it is referring to the time one has to spend in that qabar. I believe that we can wish some one maghfirat from azaab-e-qabar, regardless of his/her faith ..

      I am not sure .. I think we can
      To is kaa matlab hoa ke jin nabiyon ke parents yaa rishtaydaar they woh sab jannah mein jaayein gay
      "The point is Allah. And everything besides Allah, is besides the point."

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      I am sorry, I did not get your question .. I am saying that we may be able to request for nijaat from qabar ka azaab, but the judgment day is in the hands of allah
      My father believed that if the world found out who I really was they'd reject me out of fear.

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      Quote Originally Posted by TLK View Post
      I am sorry, I did not get your question .. I am saying that we may be able to request for nijaat from qabar ka azaab, but the judgment day is in the hands of allah
      So you are saying is there any chance that some non muslims might get chance to go in Jannah on the day of judgment.
      PS.I am saying is that as hadees I have mentioned about Hazrat Mohammad (p.b.u.h.) and Hazrat Abu Talib we cannot say that.
      "The point is Allah. And everything besides Allah, is besides the point."

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