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      can laser hair removal trigger these to thicken?? i had fine vellus hair on my face that I wanted to get treated prior to treatment i never touched the hair and just bleached it twice in my life it wasn't that much of a cosmetic problem and now it is it appears to be come back thicker in texture and darker, and the laser technician tells me the laser is not to blame this is after three treatments. also is this temporary will i calm down, or will I hjave to have it go away with another treatment?

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      Yes. It's now well known fact and any good clinic should tell you at the consultation - mine did.

      However, they will tell you that these induced hairs are now thick and dark enough to treat and further treatments will destroy them. Unfortunately, this is not true and the fine vellus hairs will definitely never be affected by the laser. Your only option (should have been first option) is to have electrolysis on these hairs for permanent removal.

      Laser will only work on coarse, dark hairs. Areas that are sensitive to androgens, such as the face, should be avoided all together because of the risk of induced growth.

      Will pm you some more info.

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      I have experience and I can tell you dont touch that hair with laser. I did my full arms, and the bottom of my arms worked ok, but the top of my arms, since the hair was fine and light...its gotten worse!!!! Im so upset about it. And the laser lady did not mention this to me before treatment. The hair at the top of my arms is now worse than it was before.
      There is a place you can touch a woman that will drive her crazy. Her heart!

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      i talked to my laser technician earlier and she said that it shouldn't be thicker laser does not induce growth, if laser thickened hair all the bald patients would be coming in for treatment to induce hair growth on their head....i feel like its a little darker, the first two treatments didn't have much of a difference in fact it looked reduced thats whats motivated me to go for the third, and now the third treatment it looks as if its darker, and on my eyebrows where I would like for it to grow back nothing has grown, but the vellus hair on my cheeks and sideburn area looks darker, but i'm not sure if its because my face looked clean for 3 months now all of a sudden regrowth is making it feel like that. but I do notice some hair is definately different compared to before, fortunately its not all. and i'm wondering if its temporary?? so do I go in for another treatment as my laser technician suggested or not? i'm confused.

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      my hair wasn't even that much of a cosmetic problem i soooo regret this!

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      I'm sorry but it sounds like your laser tech knows nothing about hair.

      Induced growth doesn't happen in every area and isn't always the case for every client having treatment in those areas. We all have countless dormant follicles that can be stimulated to start producing hair at various points in our lives from puberty to menopause or other hormonal fluctuations. Unfortunately, the heat generated from the Laser can stimualte follicles in the surrounding area to start producing hairs or strenghten the vellus follicles to produce thicker, darker hairs. Women's faces and upper arms and men's shoulders and backs are all areas which are widely reported to experience induced growth.

      I didn't pm you yet, I will do and that might help you decide what to do next. But one thing is for sure, I'd never have treatment again with someone who has no clue what they are doing.

      Just out of curiousity, what machine and laser type are you being treated with?

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      saima - I also had my 3-quarter arms treated and it was a concious decision not to have the top half of the upper arm treated as (a) the hairs are too fine to be affected anyway in reality - some people would just go for it anyway because the extra cost is not much more (b) I was well aware of the risk of induced growth here and I'd rather not give myself more with to do with electrolysis afterwards.

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      Thanks for the responses,

      stoppit it will help if you can let me know what my next step might be. will this affect be temporary?? i think the lower setting induced it, and when she had worked on longer wavelengths the hair remained fine. it now has more pigment, and is coarser. my moms going to kill she didn't want me to get this done in the first place. I don't know about laser machine or what she used, but I do know I am the perfect candidate I have dark hair (the hair on my face was light and pigmented) and very fair skin. Hope the next session burns it off or there is a quick fix and its not permanent. can't afford and risk electroylsis, would like to finish this but w/o repurcussions. when I first started she said it was a very rare side effect (the induced hair growth) i thought ok so it won't hurt to try it out based on those stats but had I seen today I would not have done it!!!

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      Allah karay sub kuch teek ho jaye.

      I am looking forward to your response stoppit.

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      No, this is permanent until those follicles are destroyed. It's not really to do with not strong enough settings either. If the area is prone to induced growth, any setting can stimulate dormant follicles. Lasers are also not at fixed wavelengths, if she was using a machine where the wavelength is variable, it sounds like an IPL machine and these are much inferior to true Lasers.

      A perfect candidate is one with fair skin and dark, coarse hair. Just having dark hair is not good enough. We are talking underarms, bikini and lower legs. For most women, even arm and thigh hair is too fine to absorb enough of the Laser's energy to destroy the follicle.

      It's certainly not rare. I know of many, many more cases of induced growth form laser on the face than successful treatment.

      Electrolysis is only risky if you go to a bad practitioner. In the hands of someone skilled and experienced it has absolutely no risk or side effects (other than some temporary redness of the skin or very minor pin prick sized scabs on some follicles that drop off without scarring).

      I've had lots of experience with both electrolysis and Laser with one of the best Nd:YAG machines and I can absolutely confirm that Laser will only permanently destroy coarser hairs, fine hairs will eventually come back.

      I will pm you some more info which should help you make your decision.

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      Hoorbano i have faced the some problem my facial hair were not a costemic problem but unfrotunately i decide to for a lasrer initially it looked that the hair growth has reduced but just after 3rd sitting i realized that instead of reduction in hair growth there has been an increase and i got worried

      then i changed my doc and thankfully he guided me in a correct manner. he said what stopit has already shared with us that if the right wavelength is not used then instead of reducing hair it can stimulate the hair follicules resulting in increased in hair growth and then i sticked to that doc and alhumdulilah today was last sitting and i am very much satisfied with that now

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      ^ what might that setting be?? She used a YAG @ 50 joules for me.

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      Quote Originally Posted by hoor bano View Post
      ^ what might that setting be?? She used a YAG @ 50 joules for me.
      Settings depend on machine type as well as laser type. As well as joules, you need to know the the pulse width and spot size. I imagine the spot size was small for her to be able to use 50 joules.

      The YAG portion of the Apogee Elite, with a 12mm spot size only goes up to 45j and 5ms pulse width.

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      my facial hair hasnt gone. and ive tried 2 different types of laser, i am going to finish this course of laser on my face from harley street off and thats IT! will bleach or thread if i need to but no more laser!

      Underarms though..... my hair has gone! only a few hairs left i had 6 treatments and will be getting 2 more before the wedding making it 8 treatments.

      Stoppit i have started having my legs lasered, my bikini line is full of ingrowns any tips?? x

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      Hey Sonia,

      How long since your last treatment? If the ingrowns are because the hair is trying to shed, then gentle exfoliation and moisturising is as much as you can do. I will be surprised if you tell me that you're suffering from them as the next cycle is trying to grow in because usually people find it comes through much easier than if they had waxed, for example.

      For the underarms, if you are still paying and not on a course, then it will be better not to have 2 more treatments and finish with electrolysis instead. It will take an electrologist 5 mins to clear about 20 hairs. 15 mins of electrolysis is typically 15-20. You will always have some hair left after laser, even if you had 10 treatments, whereas electrolysis can target them individually.

      And if you are in london, I can recommend you my electrologist for your face. Coming off laser is probably the best time to start it as when the hairs start to grow in, they are in the anagen phase and easier to kill.

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      Hello for my face its been atleast 2 months i shaved bits last week..! i still have a few treatments to go but maybe after my wedding i will do elecrtrolysis on my face!

      send me the details for the electrolysis lady for my underarms! as i have an appointment booked to go in for my laser in 2 weeks time is it as expensive as laser? ( please say its cheaper!)

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      I think it's a better use of money. I don't know how much your laser costs but for 2 more underarm treatments, I'd guess you're playing about 140 more?

      Also, you don't know how many hairs are left after laser until you wait about 12 weeks after your last appointment. Waiting 12 weeks before your 7th app is recommended anyway. Underarm treatments should be spaced 8-12 weeks apart for quicker results, 8 weeks in the beginning and then drawing out to 12 for the last ones.

      Let's say at the 12 week point, you have 30 hairs per underarm left. It will take the electrologist about 15mins to clear both of all visible hairs. Then over the next 2 months, some more will grow in, you go back for another app but this time it only takes her 10 mins to clear them.
      Basically it keeps going like this until all the hairs in all the growth phases have been zapped. Towards the end you will only be going to treat a few hairs.