hhs4462

CM

ok what is isthakaras?

hhs4462

its a dua made to Allah to find out what course of action to take

belle

I hope everything works out for the best for you and your family InshAllah. I can relate though, I used to think that there was no way people can result to black magic but when I went to Pakistan in 2003 I saw it happen right infront of me, and its really sad and lame. I even heard this aunty say that her son was going to marry his nondesi girlfriend but she had magic done on him several times and thats how he ended up with a desi wife at the end. creepy isn't it.

Furqan

its all up in the head...ppl dont have time to do black magic these days! ....if you really think someone has done black magic.....wake up early in morning ..right 4 mins before the sunrise ....cross like a lake using a bridge ..some sort of water canal and read surah yaseen and another one.. i think its falaq not sure about it. But again..i think its all up in the head.......

Afia

i know black magic exists n all
BUT
please don't jump to conclusions .....!!!

istakhara is a way to help us decide which course of action we should take ....n its not the way to know who did what......only Allah knows that
plus no Allah fearing person should engage himself in anything related to it ....be it black magic or the inquiry of who did it !!!

so in my humble opinion , ask Allah for help ....Him being the only one who can help
its satan's way of creating walls between friends n he always tries to lead us to wrong path

hope you r not offended ....

just my 2 scents!!

Wadi

^^ Agree with Afia ^^

Please don't go in to this crap. Istakharas are supposed to be interpreted by unbiased folks and are not 'designed' for the purpose your'e using 'em for. I feel sorry for your friends mom. She is being accused based on all this BS.

hhs4462

well u guys might think isthakharas is BS but its really not.

but to be exact we did not make isthakara to find out what happened. we just happened to have many dreams that made us wonder. we spoke to several scholars as to what the dreams meant & they told us what i described above. we didnt go out on a hunch that maybe this is happening.

now as far as Afia comment on not getting involved... not possible not to try to rid yourself of these things once you know they are happening. we as Muslims are told to guard ourselves from such things by reading surahs etc.

& like belle said, i have witnessed people admitting to such crimes, so i think its best to be aware & arm yourself against such things.

thanx for all your opinions

Wadi

I never said that.

PyariCgudia

I just don't understand how people that read namaz, etc can do such things. I mean, you'd think common sense would tell you black magic is rubbish, but seriously - oh right, most humans are stupid anyway.

The world makes sense again.

CM

Sweetheart black magic is part of our lore and custom. It is said to be very real.

mAd_ScIeNtIsT

Alternatively, before jumping to conclusions about black magic (the exitence of which I do not doubt), you could examine if there are other reasons why you guys have been unable to get married.

What reasons to people who are unwilling to marry you guys give? Also, it could just be that your parents are looking for a certain type of people, who are not interested in marrying your type of people, whatever that may be.

Like I said, I'm not denying that black magic exists, but don't be tempted to use it as an excuse for an unrealistic outcome not happening.

hhs4462

oh... well im really sorry! i must have mis-read your post.

well those the people who are extremely interested, all of a sudden just have no contact with us for no apparent reason. even the middle people do not understand why they dont say anything to us. especially since they even tell the middle people they are interested & when asked what is the hold up, they say nothing. & this has occured with several rishtas.

as far as certain types of people, my parents dont hold to very high standards, they desire whatever Allah (SWT) has set for us.

we have tried our utmost to avoid jumping to conclusions about such things since its a very harsh accussation. but as i said the interpretations of our dreams are clear. & its not like one dream. practically everyone in our family has had series of dreams. all of which have been interpreted by serveral scholars.

Aalhan

One of my aunts had the same problem. Gorgeous, highly-educated
with a million guys in pursuit, yet things just never quite worked out.
We exported her out of Pakistan and extradited her to Germany where
she is happily married to an Arab muslim. And she wasn't even Pakistani
for people to be getting jealous of her. Apparently there is no hope
for your 'desy' people and their 'desy-ic' culture. People from India
and Pakistan need to stop getting greedy of others' assets and fate
and get on with their own life.

hhs4462

that is one thing i dont understand, y cant people just be happy for their fellow muslims/muslimah.

desis are not the only ones that have this problem. i think every culture has similar jealousy problems.

where i live there are many hispanics, & sometimes they are even worst in the matters of black magic than desis.

Aalhan

There is not a bigger idiot than whosoever resorts to magic of any kind.
At first the magic might appear to work but in the long run it does more
damage to the accused than the victim.

ravage

hhs - its a very real fear when it happens, particularly when its an unverifiable fear like this. i know people in your position, and I've seen people in pakistan resort to idiocy like black magic. there is no greater power than Allah though. if you wish to pacify your heart, see an aalim on what prayer you can use to ward off any ill effects.

hhs4462

ravage what you say is very true. inshAllah we will/are seeking advice from several different sources.

but the question is what can i do until the situation has been corrected. i mean, life totally changes after all this. i think & act differently. should i be on guard all the time? or should i just assume this is just a one in a million chance. & if i meet the person who is supposedly doing this, how should i act?

lazy_daisy

Hello People, this is an interesting topic.

Ive heard about black magic but I dont know what exactly is involved, how can you tell whether someone is doing it? and how do you know its directed at you.
In some cases could it be purely psychological on behalf of the "victim"...if something goes wrong is it easier to say " Ive been black magiced " (if thats the correct term-prob not though) because that means its not your fault.



Being brought up in the west I would generally consider a run of bad luck as ...well, bad luck.

It seems strange to think that ordinary people can somehow influence or change the course of somebody's life due to doing this.

I dont want to sound evil but having that kind of power (if real) can come in handy every now and again.

I dont mean to be rude or to discredit people who have been victims of this but Ive only recently come into contact with people who say they have had this done to them and as its not something Im familiar with it seem a little far fetched to me....
I would mind being educated on the subject though.

Thankyou

LegallyBrown

I'll try not to sound dumb

This is how I see the situation. We as people cannot see the future, our actions are a result of our wants and needs. We donot know what consequences these actions might have in the future. So we make our choices as to our best knowledge.

Then there is God, who obviously knows whats right and whats wrong. He intervenes when he sees people making the wrong choices.

When he intervenes we end up calling it as bad luck or black magic.

So maybe all these efforts to get you guyz married really arent pointing in the right direction.

lazy_daisy

LegallyBrown that sound like a good point ...

anyway another question
sometimes people say their kismet is bad , which means that these bad things are pre-determined.

If soemthing is pre-determined by God , does that mean that black magic is predetermined and therefore the perpetrator is just doing what they were "programmed to do"

Afia

sorry again ,....but u know what .....we r really having problem with two of our brothers (in law) getting married .....
its been more than 2 years now n someone started telling my mother in law that it must be the black magic
but all of us (minus the MIL) r sure its not that ....but just because she thinks on that line she finds some evidences (very weak ones) to supprt it ....not that she is intentionally doing so ....!!!

bottomline is ....we r told to guard us by reading holy Quraan ....n not suspecting others ....n cutting off ties etc.


hope i made some sense

~Tikhi Jalebi~

"well those the people who are extremely interested, all of a sudden just have no contact with us for no apparent reason. even the middle people do not understand why they dont say anything to us. especially since they even tell the middle people they are interested & when asked what is the hold up, they say nothing. & this has occured with several rishtas"

hmmm this is so scary cuz its true for my khala too :-s

PakistaniAbroad

hhs4462..

fight superstition with another superstition.

I've read that reciting Surah Yusuf helps in one getting hitched.. so give it a shot.

lussi

yeh thats why i got poor grades in college...someone must have done some kaala jadoo on me..it all makes sense now

hhs4462

lazy_daisy

yes i agree with what some of you are saying, it could be that these kind of things are pre-determined in our lives. im not saying thats not a factor.

LegallyBrown well i agree with you to some extent, but Allah (SWT) does not intervene if someone does something wrong. think about the times innocent people get murdered or things like that.

Afia & PakistaniAbroad yes this & other surahs are good to read. & inshAllah I will be doing this from now on. however, there is no reason not to be careful around these people.

i believe very much in true dreams. & i dont consider it so much as suspection if our dreams are telling us this is what happen.

~Tikhi Jalebi~ well thats really scary, & hope & pray it is not the same thing.

lussi i hope that you are not poking fun at my sad situation.

Nilu

Hi HHs i feel very sorry for you that you found out thats ur best friend mom do kala jadoo like it calls in Urdu. I've heard that my mom-in-law do kala jadoo and also my sis in law.
But thank God i never run to in this situation. I hope God make everything allright.

NILU

waleed

ok i am confused u believe in istikhara but not in magic, by which even the prophet was effected hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

hhs4462

Nilu thanx for the sympathies

waleed are you asking me that question, bec if you are, i believe in both