Pakistani officials say the successful test-firing of three of its surface-to-surface missiles in the last few days has confirmed the country's capability to strike deep inside enemy territory in the event of a war.
Interestingly, these tests have not only demonstrated the effectiveness of Pakistan's missile technology; the names given to these missiles are full of symbolism.
They suggest that Pakistan relates the present conflict in South Asia to the conflicts of the mediaeval period when Muslim warriors from Afghanistan frequently invaded India.
Ghauri, Ghaznavi, Abdali - these are the three ballistic missiles Pakistan test-fired in the last week.
But these are also names of three prominent Muslim warlords, or conquerors, who invaded India from Afghanistan between the 11th and 18th centuries in an attempt to expand their empires.
Historical histrionics
The medium-range Ghauri missile is Pakistan's answer to India's Prithvi missile, and here the symbolism is perhaps most interesting.
Muhammad Ghauri was a powerful Afghan warlord who in the 12th century had two fierce battles with the Hindu ruler of northern India, Prithviraj Chouhan.
Ghauri was defeated in the first battle and later on, he returned with a bigger army to achieve a convincing victory.
Although India insists that the name Prithvi given to its missile means "earth" and has nothing to do with any Hindu ruler of the past, Pakistan wants the world to believe otherwise.
Battle fetish
The other two missiles Pakistan tested during the week are also named after 11th and 18th-century Afghan conquerors, Mehmood Ghaznavi and Ahmed Shah Abdali.
Ghaznavi is described in history books as a temple-destroyer who attacked India 17 times.
Pakistan has never given any specific reason for naming these missiles after such historical figures.
But the symbolism is a clear reflection of the official mindset in the country.
It shows that for Islamabad, the present conflict with India is a continuation of the battles of the past between people described in Pakistani history books as just Muslim invaders and several of India's cruel Hindu emperors.
Last edited by lahori_bhai; Feb 24th, 2008 at 10:23 PM.
The Pakistan vs india enmity is really the continuation of the age-old struggle and war between muslims and hindus in South Asia?
That is why our missiles are named after Ghauri, Ghaznavi and Abdali
The Pakistan vs india enmity is really the continuation of the age-old struggle and war between muslims and hindus in South Asia?
That is why our missiles are named after Ghauri, Ghaznavi and Abdali
I want to know why my last post was deleted. I said that we should name one of our missiles after Aurangzeb because he was a great muslim ruler and i stand by my comments.
But it seems like that on this pakistani forum, moderators are bending over backwards to appease the hindus.
^^you just didn't speak about aurangzeb being a great muslim ruler. You told he was great because he crushed sikhs and hindus. And the tone by which you reply reminds me of moin...It sounds both rhetoric and childish
^^you just didn't speak about aurangzeb being a great muslim ruler. You told he was great because he crushed sikhs and hindus. And the tone by which you reply reminds me of moin...It sounds both rhetoric and childish
Yes i said that Aurangzeb was great because he comprehensively destroyed the hindus and crushed the sikhs. That is why Pakistanis admire Aurangzeb and there is no need to be diplomatic about it
Last edited by lahori_bhai; Feb 26th, 2008 at 07:03 PM.
Yes i said that Aurangzeb was great because he comprehensively destroyed the hindus and crushed the sikhs. That is why Pakistanis admire Aurangzeb and there is no need to be diplomatic about it
Your posts are dripping with hatred for Hindus. Don't forget pakistan has Hindus also.
I can only conclude from the lack of reaction from the mods or other Guppies that they all agree with you and share your poisonous hatred for Hindus.
Pakistan's misguided attempt to provoke India by naming their missiles Ghauri and Ghanzanvi betrays ignroance of history. These invaders of India also attacked Indian muslims. read this:
When Pakistan builds its missile programme it names these weapons as Ghauri, Ghaznavi and Babur as instruments to attack India. This just reiterates the point to every Indian listening to them and reinforcing the deep rooted prejudices. It matters little to both the sides on this reading of history – of Hindus pitted against Muslims in the medieval ages - that Babur defeated a Muslim Ibrahim Lodhi at Delhi’s throne, Ghauri defeated Prithvi Raj’s army which was led by a Muslim and Ghaznavi had one of his top generals who was a Hindu named Tilak. It also matters little in this reading of history that when Akbar and Maharana Pratap fought at Haldighati then Akbar’s army was led by a Hindu Raja Man Singh and Maharana Pratap’s army was led by a Muslim Hakim Khan Suri. It also matters little in this reading that the Sikh Guru Arjan Dev who was executed by Aurangzeb had the foundation stone of Golden Temple laid by Mian Mir a sufi saint and had included so many sufi songs in the Sikh holy book Guru Granth Sahib. Or that Shivaji who fought with Aurangzeb had a Pathan unit and one of his most trusted aides was Didi Ibrahim, a Muslim and that Aurangzeb sent Raja Jaisingh, a Hindu to fight him. Or that when Babur defeated Rana Sanga at Panipat the latter’s army had thousands of Muslim soldiers.
These invaders of India also attacked Indian muslims.
That doesn't matter, because these Pakistanis will claim that these Muslims were Shias and therefore kaffirs; or if they were not Shia, they will make up some other excuse.
Your posts are dripping with hatred for Hindus. Don't forget pakistan has Hindus also.
I can only conclude from the lack of reaction from the mods or other Guppies that they all agree with you and share your poisonous hatred for Hindus.
I mince no words and say that i hate hindus. Infact i can say with certainty that most pakistanis hate hindus.
I also don't associate anything negative with the word 'hate', infact to me loving my country means i have to hate it's enemies.
Gup shup forum is not representative of the way pakistanis feel about india and hindus because the mods are very strict about the political correctness. You should go to forums like pakistanidefenceforum.com to find out how we really feel about hindus
Last edited by lahori_bhai; Feb 27th, 2008 at 07:35 PM.
I mince no words and say that i hate hindus. Infact i can say with certainty that most pakistanis hate hindus.
I also don't associate anything negative with the word 'hate', infact to me loving my country means i have to hate it's enemies.
Gup shup forum is not representative of the way pakistanis feel about india and hindus because the mods are very strict about the political correctness. You should go to forums like pakistanidefenceforum.com to find out how we really feel about hindus
Thanks for typing this here....and letting us know the first thing that i have highlighted in particular. Some pakistanis in this forum(including you) frown upon the thing that Indians hate pakistanis and always complain that indian forums are very hostile....I can quote what you said here if they ever mention that again...
Thanks for typing this here....and letting us know the first thing that i have highlighted in particular. Some pakistanis in this forum(including you) frown upon the thing that Indians hate pakistanis and always complain that indian forums are very hostile....I can quote what you said here if they ever mention that again...
Most hindus hate Pakistan and most pakistanis hate hindus so there is nothing surprising or new about it.
But I was not always anti-hindu, i started hating hindus after i saw indian forums like hinduunity.org and bharat-rakshak.com.
That was my awakening and then i realised that muslims and hindus can never get along
Most hindus hate Pakistan and most pakistanis hate hindus so there is nothing surprising or new about it.
Most hindus who really care about international politics might hate pakistan. I can confidently say majority in india don't care about these things for the simple fact that they have other things to worry about. Same should be the case with pakistan.
If not, atleast many hindus just have a negative perception about pakistan or islam. But that doesn't tantamounts to hate.
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But I was not always anti-hindu, i started hating hindus after i saw indian forums like hinduunity.org and bharat-rakshak.com.
Bharat rakshak and hindu-unity are meant to address "problems" of someone. One focus on military and the other focuses on "hinduism". They are meant to address the potential "challenges" the country and a religion that face. You cannot expect the people over there shower goodies on islam and pakistan over there. Just like i cannot expect pakistanis in PDF to be good to India. That forum is meant to address the challenge which pakistan faces which is India as per them. In these forums, you should expect people who are ultra nationalists and fanatics to usually join.
Besides, i doubt whether you have gone to any indian forum in the first place.
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That was my awakening and then i realised that muslims and hindus can never get along
You didn't read one of the links or posts from above. Hinduism and islam are diametrically opposite from many sense. but it doesn't mean they can never get along. read the post above, you will see that your favourite aurangzeb had hindu generals, akbar had hindu generals, shivaji had a muslim pathan unit, rana pratap and prithvi raj had muslim generals etc.
I mince no words and say that i hate hindus. Infact i can say with certainty that most pakistanis hate hindus.
I also don't associate anything negative with the word 'hate', infact to me loving my country means i have to hate it's enemies.
Gup shup forum is not representative of the way pakistanis feel about india and hindus because the mods are very strict about the political correctness. You should go to forums like pakistanidefenceforum.com to find out how we really feel about hindus
I have personally a large number of Pakisani friends in Canada. Not one of them hates either me in particular or Hindus in general. Do you have any prooof, any study, any survey that proves your point that most Pakistanis hate Hindus or is it just your own warped opinion?
aurangzaib probably killed far more muslims than hindus and many of his generals were rajput hindus[ who never converted] so was he a defender of faith ? hardly ....but i dont oppose naming a weapon after him if that pisses off the indians
better names wud be titu mir , tipu sultan , sayyid ahmed shahid and Mujadid Alf sani ......
My master is the one most entitled amongst creation to this matter by his excellence in religion, early merit in islam and close kinship with the messanger of God
aurangzaib probably killed far more muslims than hindus and many of his generals were rajput hindus[ who never converted] so was he a defender of faith ? hardly ....but i dont oppose naming a weapon after him if that pisses off the indians
better names wud be titu mir , tipu sultan , sayyid ahmed shahid and Mujadid Alf sani ......
Most hindus hate Pakistan and most pakistanis hate hindus so there is nothing surprising or new about it.
But I was not always anti-hindu, i started hating hindus after i saw indian forums like hinduunity.org and bharat-rakshak.com.
That was my awakening and then i realised that muslims and hindus can never get along
if you had any sense you would make the distinction between a web forum and a population.
Hate consumes its host from the inside. You always lose when you hate.
....and letting us know the first thing that i have highlighted in particular. Some pakistanis in this forum(including you) frown upon the thing that Indians hate pakistanis and always complain that indian forums are very hostile....I can quote what you said here if they ever mention that again...
