malhot

During the 1960's the Pak Army had convinced itself that 1 PA soldier = 10 IA soldiers.

Does this feeling of superiority still prevail in the army circles?

burqaposhx

why are you asking malhot? Are you planning to play polo with Pakistanis?

Or this is yet another friendly jibe at your "cousins" on the other side of the border?


Funny how literate and normal techies would become little joksters or worse "hot air balloons" when they visit Pakistani forums.

saint_devil

after guzzling a bottle of imported whisky, the Generals would have a blurry vision and they'd start seeing things. Kargil was yet another example of such flawed vision & miscalculations on part of our so called Defenders & Strategic planners.

Haris

The thread starter asks a simple question pertaining to military folklore and history, no need to get offended or on the contrary to take the question as a means to attack and dissect either of the mentioned military.

Das Reich

arrogant boast of ayyub khan , its ridiculus \
90% of pak soldiers are punjabi , majority of indians in army on pak border are punjabi ....so whats the difference ?
only in motivation perhaps

Haris

Malhot,

I think this was a war-time morale and ego boosting slogan of sorts more than a proper belief or conviction. No doubt it may have and perhaps did create superiority notions at times and for some, but for any reasoning individual it can't be taken for more than what I described it as.

Speaking of whether this feeling still prevails; I think as a belief it never was and today couldn't be more than ever. But regarding it as a booster, it can still have some morale pumping effects like yesteryear.

I think lots of people from India and Pakistan find it ridiculous, but I think it's not too out of line with how any people glorify their fighting men ala William Wallace and the alleged balls of lightning from his behind in Braveheart. That's just one example that comes to mind right now.

Pundit Vikram

Hello all,

Here is a joke and only a joke that I heard only a few weeks ago at work (where there are a number of Indians and some who I do not know whether Indian or Pakistani)>

A: Why is USA giving our tax money to Pakistan
B: Oh it is not really aid, we are reimbursing the war expenses for each Paksitan soldier deployed
A: So you are saying each soldier in Pakistan costs $15000 above and beyond their salary etc which Pakistan has to pay anyway?

B: Yeah but don't forget each soldier is equal to 10 Indians, so USA is getting a very good deal!

Regards
Pundit Vikram

lahori_bhai

And where do you work??

If any indian at my workplace made an offensive comment about Pakistan, i would rip his f...ing throat out

malhot

One of my friends dad was an army Doctor who used to visit the 71' Pakistani POWs.

His observation was that the Pak soldier's morale was very high even after surrendering.

Some of them openly condemned their officers and felt the IA officers were better.

They also showed surprise that Indian soldiers & officers have a friendly relationship, whereas in the PA it is very rigid & official.

Das - Punjabi's only constitute about 15% of the IA.

manob

this forum and almost every thread(about pakistani affairs) i saw just one thing....hate and ridiculas quarrel argument.....
when i was a child my grandpa used to say that england divided sub continent, cause they know that if we (india+pakistan+bangladesh) are a same country then well be the super power of the world.....why dont we think that we r same...indian and not hindu not muslim ur human....????

chintu_bhopali

malhotra...its just a way of motivating people and specially when the enemy has bigger man power. Have you seen the movie border? there is a similar dialogue in it.

PunchingMonk

beef baby beef
make ppl stronger.

PunchingMonk

chintu_bhopali

chii..killing innocent animal.

when bottle kholing and daru pouring then chintu = 10000 Soldiers (Atleast on call of duty)

anagnorisis

War today, unfortunately or fortunately, is not hand-to-hand combat.

ravage

given that India is one of the most frequently invaded and successfully occupied countries, mostly from the western borders, there probably is some objective truth to the idea.

chintu_bhopali

^^haahaha ...dude u really need to get a life.

infiniti

^^^ Ye banda mod bhi tha na kisi ek GS section ka???

malhot

Ravage: has a point, not only were we physically but also mentally enslaved by so many foreign occupiers.

That is obvious due to the large number of conversions to Islam & later to Christianity.

chintu_bhopali

dude r u out of ur mind?

PuNjAbi_GaBrU

pakis mungeri lal ke hasin sapnee... i do'nt mind... every body has the right to satisfy their Ego.. in this case pakistan have the solid reason.. to motivate their so called army... to atleast stand on indian border.

ravage

^ malhot is indian, einstein.

infiniti .. yes I am currently a mod, of World Affairs.

I appreciate you acknowledging the facts of history. I agree with you on Indians having been physically dominated by Western neighbours repeatedly throughout histrory. But are you suggesting your Muslim and Christian Indian compatriots are mental slaves?

SindSagar

.......No doubt.......when we have Motivators Like Allama Iqbal..........


"Kunjshk-e-Faromaya ko Shaheen se LaRa Dou!"

Pakistani Jawans do not hesitate to face 10 to 1 ODDS...........

chintu_bhopali

well you doesnt qualified to be a mod after redaing ur posts.

They were dominated not becuase 1 westerner was equal to 100 or 10 indians but they was no unity and india was divided into kingdoms.use ur brain sometime!!

ravage

yar chintu, have i ever been impolite to you. please be respectful towards others, I do use my brain sometimes, why would u say that?

now as for the reasons, I did not say that the reason why India was constantly succcesfully invaded and occupied from the western border is definitely that indian soldiers are weak. I said there is some objective basis for saying this, beyond just "im from pakistan so i think XYZ" or "im from India so my view is ABC".

Historically indians have been poor soldiers and typically easily to defeat armies. Also worthy of note is the fact that rarely have those thrashings been from the eastern or northern side.

nikhil25

ravage bhai jaan, i don't think anybody is saying this. nobody would be foolish enough to accuse you of such irrational views given that you are a mohajir of pure indian stock.

i think you are forgetting that when india used to succumb to invasion and occupation from the western front, its western border was the nwfp/balochistan. in fact, current-day pakistan was the epicenter of invasion and its regions were the first to fall. modern day india's western border faces no threat whatsoever

ravage

hahaha. you had to spoil my fun didnt you.

infiniti

Then I would have to say that you are the worst GS mod I have seen. Your name should not be listed with the likes of other GS mods like dhobi_bhai and haris. That was my objective opinion.