Pakistan gets four F-16 - Page 2

callofduty · Aug 21st, 2008, 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by gesto

one clearly shows you need to go to school my boy.This is not the place to prove how best nonsense you are .

Nonsense,J-6 could claim just two Mig-21 planes in the war and look at your previous idiotic post!!!
Su-7 ,during 1971 war had taken part actively.India lost just 14 in the whole war and forget your worthless post.

Idiotian i dont have to remind my self i am talking to a trash talker baharatchaka fanboy... its very normal for delusional kids embarrassing themself and coming back for some more..
despite this topic being on F-16s some how you brought up that Chinese technology is junk??
well F-6 proved its worth in 71 war when it slaughtered Su-7s 8-0 ratio and mig-21 1-1... it also begged couple of hunters...

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Moron ,your comments about Mirage 2000 shows how ignorant you are .Seeing the reply from you,one can estimate that you are simply trying to be ostentatious rather than trying to provide with some sensible replies.Indian Mirages took part in Kargil and not a single plane was lost and had inflicted havey casuality on you side,you babe.

thick head listen to what i said!!!! listen carefully!!! so far Mirage-2000 has only seen air-2-ground action and stop enjoying inhaling your own fart because certinaly you are pulling jack shi^t from some bharatchaka kunjar enterianer.. your post creditability is like a whore saying she is a virgin..lol... Mirage were only effective when pakistan army were cut off due to political reasion and due to lack of surface to air missiles RBS-70 bofers "laser guided" sam would have been very effective aganist close air support....
Indeed Mirage-2000 is a very great platform even PAF negotiated with french in 1990s and Mr-10% blew away the deal...

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Direct aircraft to aircraft comparisons, based on public information about the J-10, don't really favor the Chinese aircraft either. None of the likely radars (Chinese Type 1471 / KLJ-1 most likely) have anything like the range, tracking ability, or modes of the later APG-68 versions used by the USAF. They also lack a datalink, putting them at a huge disadvantage against F-16s in BVR. In a dogfight, the Block 50/52 F-16 has better thrust to weight ratio but higher wing loading. That's almost a moot point anyway, given the superiority of AIM-9X and JHMCS over the Chinese HMS with Chinese early-model

And now you are blabbeing that J-10 would scare off U.S?

well as i said .... keep enjoying inhaling your fart.. you can have mine too... the configuration of current J-10 should not be seen as the end sate of J-10s capabilities... China is currently working on upgrading its J-10 fleet as well as coming up with new version of J-10...
JDW

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Will feature- Passive PAR, TVC, Strengthened Airframe, Russian help. The J-10 was originally designed to use the Zhemchug, a mechanically scanned slotted array by Phazotron, but some critical components were made impossible to copy.

The other Bureau, Tikhomirov, recently resumed a working relationship with the PLAAF, after having submitted an early prototype of their Pero in the late 90s but with no followup by the Chinese. They are now submitting a derivative of the Pero (is this the Panda?). The Pero was originally designed for use on the Su-30KN.

Recall the recent large order for engines in late 2005. Most observers assumed it was for more of the AL-31FN, but this is not so. It was for a new engine, the AL-31FN-M1. The M1 features an enlarged fan with inlet diameter of 924 mm instead of 902 mm, which improved thrust from 122.6kN to 132.4 kN. Also features a swivel nozzle developed by Salyut in conjunction with Zavod imeni Klimova. Similar to the KliVT used on the RD-33OVT of the Mig-29OVT- it's improved over the IAF's Su-30MKI in that it deflects in BOTH pitch and yaw, rather than pitch only.

PAF is not interested in current J-10s operated by china becuase it does not meet 4.5 generation requirement.. FC-20 under PAF designation will feature european avionics and possibly radar..
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gesto · Aug 21st, 2008, 11:06 AM

If you have some serious topic to discuss,let's discuss otherwise you silly boy you go and study your shool lessons before your teacher spanks you......

Your absured statements and my replies are given below:-

You said......
(F-6 proved its worth in 71 war when it slaughtered Su-7s 8-0 ratio and mig-21 1-1... it also begged couple of hunters).............

My reply.............

Kid go and hear more fables from your elders.You are not matured enough to talk about war and warfare.You do not even know the war statistics of 1971 but just going on speaking some nonsense crap.

You said............

(so far Mirage-2000 has only seen air-2-ground action and stop enjoying inhaling your own fart because certinaly you are pulling jack shi^t from some bharatchaka kunjar enterianer.. your post creditability is like a whore saying she is not a virgin..lol... Mirage were only effective when pakistan army were cut off due to political reasion and due to lack of surface to air missiles RBS-70 bofers "laser guided" sam would have been very effective aganist close air support.)...

My reply

You do not know what is Mirage 2000 even.Go and read read about it first and then vomit your nonsense.........You have said some nonsense and on top of it you are laughing!!!Check again what you have typed ,or check with ur elders and come back.

You said

(the configuration of current J-10 should not be seen as the end sate of J-10s capabilities... China is currently working on upgrading its J-10 fleet as well as coming up with new version of J-10.)..

My reply. Silly kid........... It would take years for china to `duplicate' any plane that would stand out against F-22

I have lost interest in talking to you because first of all you speak nonsense and above all to evade your ignorance,you rely on filthy language.Typical for a dumb like you.

That's all .I do not have time to educate you on modern fighter planes.You do that yourself,if you can .Till that time I believe your senseless posts are unworthy for replying.

callofduty · Aug 21st, 2008, 02:56 PM

its very normal for indian being delusional... its just how they are brought up in their society with fake claims to satisfy their ego..
i am not so sure about other gup shup forums but i can certinaly asure you that one day when you step up to military discussion forums like Pakdef, Defencetalk, defence.pk or WAFF (if so then i would like to know your ID), i swear to god i will ***** slap your face so hard that you will not return back to reply me again... i am sure rest of the members will agree with me as they always do and probably take you as a fanboy kid on the block and banish you from their sight!... at the moment you are being pain in the back..

As i said again! This topic is on 4 F-16 news delivered to PAF, but some how you turn around this topic into your own little flame war and again if this was happing in military forum you would have been warned and warned again of waisting too much of their band with!

your original post

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Chinese technology is not reliable.

my answer... Chinese technology has already proved its worth in PAF service during 71 war as a front line fighter, F-6 has also challenged USAF F-15 and came out as victorious in couple of occasions.... then chinese modified RE mig-21 F-7P and F-7PG (new chinese variant of mig-21)... its still loved by the PAF as a cheap alternative for interceptor role..
PAK China co production of Jf-17 light weight fighter... great platform for replacing 3d generation fighters.. Pakistan and Azerbaijan have already placed orders and its most likely Iran Egypt and sudan will place an order as they have shown great interust...
K-8 Chinese advance jet tranier.. currently in service with 10 air forces and Venezuela and Indonesia have also placed their orders..

modified Chinese Type-90 II Al-khalid MBT in pakistan army has proved that its one of the best tank in sub-continent due to harsh condition in boiling hot desert of rajistan!! where as Arjunk has faild summer trails and rejected by the Indian army Al-khaild in short period of time from production line to service has already surpassed arjunk in every field!

So far no complain has been reported by any customers.. so how is Chinese tech unreliable?

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Originally Posted by gesto

Kid go and hear more fables from your elders.You are not matured enough to talk about war and warfare.You do not even know the war statistics of 1971 but just going on speaking some nonsense crap.

exactly how old are you?? if you have any dough then point it out then acting like a internet soldier... do i have to remind you that you are a fanboy internet junki fanboy?

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You do not know what is Mirage 2000 even.Go and read read about it first and then vomit your nonsense.........You have said some nonsense and on top of it you are laughing!!!Check again what you have typed ,or check with ur elders and come back.

hahaha... lol... you are the laughing stock of this forum... your only two source.. Wakopedia and Bahratchakaz.. lol... keep it up.. but dont try to be over smart @ss front of me... when i disable wakopedia and bharatraksak plug from your @ss you will be nothing but a douchebag fanboy..

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My reply. Silly kid........... It would take years for china to `duplicate' any plane that would stand out against F-22

haahhh??? i am under impression that some one or some thing has hacked your brain and urgently need a medical check up...
you need a reality check buddy..

Raindance · Sep 4th, 2008, 05:24 AM

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Originally Posted by teggy

Actually, i wouldn't underestimate Chinese capability to mass produce defensive gadgets. JF10 is a better choice than F16 in my opinion. USA is far ahead with a F22 in the battle training and we're still drooling over a fighter that is 2 generations old.

Not that i know a lot about F16 capabilities, but still. Without upgrades, i'm not so sure how F16s perform head to head with Sukhoi.

---------------cvabn--------------
Good questions teggy.
You must google your thoughts on this and you will be amazed with the results. Anyhow SO MUCH has been said about this question on GS, I'm sure you can pull quite a few threads from archives. F16's are neither 2nd generation nor 1st they are simply the right 'fit' for PAF (ofcourse no match to IAF)
JF's are built on F16 capabilities under Pak-china joint venture with export (money earning) capabilities etc etc,,, I'm sure it not lost on you guys ?

Raindance · Sep 4th, 2008, 05:31 AM

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Originally Posted by callofduty

its very normal for indian being delusional... its just how they are brought up in their society with fake claims to satisfy their ego..
i am not so sure about other gup shup forums but i can certinaly asure you that one day when you step up to military discussion forums like Pakdef, Defencetalk, defence.pk or WAFF (if so then i would like to know your ID), i swear to god i will ***** slap your face so hard that you will not return back to reply me again... i am sure rest of the members will agree with me as they always do and probably take you as a fanboy kid on the block and banish you from their sight!... at the moment you are being pain in the back..

As i said again! This topic is on 4 F-16 news delivered to PAF, but some how you turn around this topic into your own little flame war and again if this was happing in military forum you would have been warned and warned again of waisting too much of their band with!

your original post
my answer... Chinese technology has already proved its worth in PAF service during 71 war as a front line fighter, F-6 has also challenged USAF F-15 and came out as victorious in couple of occasions.... then chinese modified RE mig-21 F-7P and F-7PG (new chinese variant of mig-21)... its still loved by the PAF as a cheap alternative for interceptor role..
PAK China co production of Jf-17 light weight fighter... great platform for replacing 3d generation fighters.. Pakistan and Azerbaijan have already placed orders and its most likely Iran Egypt and sudan will place an order as they have shown great interust...
K-8 Chinese advance jet tranier.. currently in service with 10 air forces and Venezuela and Indonesia have also placed their orders..

modified Chinese Type-90 II Al-khalid MBT in pakistan army has proved that its one of the best tank in sub-continent due to harsh condition in boiling hot desert of rajistan!! where as Arjunk has faild summer trails and rejected by the Indian army Al-khaild in short period of time from production line to service has already surpassed arjunk in every field!

So far no complain has been reported by any customers.. so how is Chinese tech unreliable?

exactly how old are you?? if you have any dough then point it out then acting like a internet soldier... do i have to remind you that you are a fanboy internet junki fanboy?

hahaha... lol... you are the laughing stock of this forum... your only two source.. Wakopedia and Bahratchakaz.. lol... keep it up.. but dont try to be over smart @ss front of me... when i disable wakopedia and bharatraksak plug from your @ss you will be nothing but a douchebag fanboy..

haahhh??? i am under impression that some one or some thing has hacked your brain and urgently need a medical check up...
you need a reality check buddy..

--------------cvabn----------------

Quite Right !
I always believed and witnessed Bharati Propaganda mechanics much stronger than Pakistan's. They use such amazing 'mass brainwash' tactics that one is left with none in the end as seen here.

air marshal · Sep 6th, 2008, 05:44 AM

Another Batch of Four F-16s joins PAF
June 28, 2008

ISLAMABAD: A simple but impressive ceremony for handing over of four, F-16 aircraft to Pakistan Air Force was held at PAF Base Mushaf (Sargodha). Air Marshal Rao Qamar Suleman, Deputy Chief of the Air Staff (Operations), Pakistan Air Force received the Fighting Falcons from Lt Gen Gary L.North, Commander 9th Air Force and USAF Central Command.

Four aircraft have already arrived in Pakistan. The batch of aircraft which arrived have the same operational capability as of the already possessed F-16 aircraft by the PAF and will significantly augment its combat capability in defending the aerial frontiers of Pakistan.

The last batch of remaining four F-16 aircraft would be handed over to PAF on July 28, 2008. A contingent of high ranking officials from Air Forces of Pakistan and United States were also present on the occasion.

- Associated Press of Pakistan

air marshal · Sep 6th, 2008, 05:47 AM

Four more F-16s to Join PAF Soon
July 17, 2008

By Hanif Khalid

ISLAMABAD: Four more F-16 fighter aircraft will join the Pakistan Air Force on July 28, 2008. For this purpose, a ceremony for handing over of the planes to the Pakistan Air Force will be held at the PAF Base Mushaf.

The four F-16 planes, which are going to be handed over to Pakistan in the last week of the current month, have been upgraded and modified to the extent that they will perform just like new F-16s.

Last month, the Deputy Chief of Air Staff (Operations), Air Marshal Rao Qamar Suleiman, had received four Fighting Falcons from Lt Gen Gary L North, Commander 9th Air Force, and the USAF Central Command while four were received last year. These refurbished F-16s have the same operational capability as of those already possessed by the PAF and will significantly augment its combat capability.

Meanwhile, state-of-the-art JF-17 Thunder fighter aircraft will be inducted as regular squadron of the Pakistan Air Force by the end of the current year. The small batch production of the JF-17 Thunder multi-role aircraft is in progress both in China and the Kamra Aeronautical Complex. Pakistan Air Force is in the process of completing the testing and evaluation of aircraft jointly produced by Pakistan and China. After completion of the evaluation, the new aircraft will be certified by international monitors to become operational in the air forces of the world.

Serial production of the JF-17 Thunder will also start in Pakistan soon. In the first phase 40%, in the second 60%, in the third phase 80% and in the last phase 100% JF-17 Thunder warplanes will be built at the Kamra Aeronautical Complex. Chief of the Air Staff, Air Chief Marshal Tanveer Mehmood, is personally supervising the task of inducting new platforms in the PAF.

air marshal · Sep 6th, 2008, 05:48 AM

More F-16's to join Pakistan Air Force soon
July 18, 2008

Four more F-16 fighter aircraft will join the Pakistan Air Force on July 28, 2008. For this purpose, a ceremony for handing over of the planes to the Pakistan Air Force will be held at the PAF Base Mushaf.

The four F-16 planes, which are going to be handed over to Pakistan in the last week of the current month, have been upgraded and modified to the extent that they will perform just like new F-16s.

Last month, the Deputy Chief of Air Staff (Operations), Air Marshal Rao Qamar Suleiman, had received four Fighting Falcons from Lt Gen Gary L North, Commander 9th Air Force, and the USAF Central Command while four were received last year. These refurbished F-16s have the same operational capability as of those already possessed by the PAF and will significantly augment its combat capability.

Meanwhile, state-of-the-art JF-17 Thunder fighter aircraft will be inducted as regular squadron of the Pakistan Air Force by the end of the current year. The small batch production of the JF-17 Thunder multi-role aircraft is in progress both in China and the Kamra Aeronautical Complex. Pakistan Air Force is in the process of completing the testing and evaluation of aircraft jointly produced by Pakistan and China. After completion of the evaluation, the new aircraft will be certified by international monitors to become operational in the air forces of the world.

Serial production of the JF-17 Thunder will also start in Pakistan soon. In the first phase 40%, in the second 60%, in the third phase 80% and in the last phase 100% JF-17 Thunder warplanes will be built at the Kamra Aeronautical Complex. Chief of the Air Staff, Air Chief Marshal Tanveer Mehmood, is personally supervising the task of inducting new platforms in the PAF.

air marshal · Sep 6th, 2008, 05:49 AM

Pakistan receives Four more F-16 Fighter Jets
July 28, 2008
ISLAMABAD: Pakistan received another batch of four F-16 fighter jets from the United States, marking the completion of a package of U.S. delivery since 2005.

Lieutenant General Martin E. Dempsey, acting commander of the U.S. Central Command, handed over the four F-16 fighter aircraft to Pakistan Air Chief Marshal Tanvir Mahmood Ahmed at Pakistan Air Force (PAF) Base Mushaf.
Tanvir said that the batch of aircraft will significantly augment its combat capability in defending the aerial frontiers of Pakistan.

The air chief said the Pakistan Air Force would remain vigilant for the defence of the nation by ensuring the highest level of combat readiness. The newly delivered aircraft would significantly augment its operational and combat capabilities.

The US embassy said in a statement that the US government provided the aircraft to Pakistan at no cost except for transportation expenses.

With the handing over of the four jets, the delivery of 14 upgraded F-16 aircraft has been completed. Earlier the US had agreed to give Pakistan these aircrafts under the Foreign Military Sales Programme, which was singed in 2005.

The first two F-16s were delivered in December 2005, two more in July 2007, two in February 2008 and four in June 2008.

Pakistan received the fighter jets just days after the U.S. government proposed shifting 230 million U.S. dollars from its counter-terrorism aid package to Pakistan to help the country upgrade its aging F-16 fighter jets.
The US embassy said in a statement that the US government provided the aircraft to Pakistan at no cost except for transportation expenses. "The four aircraft presented are valued at approximately $6.4 million each," it said.