LOL.. drama. When is the last time that Pakistani fighter jets attacked India? 1971, and even then India started the war.
First of all, it was Pakistan that attacked Indian bases first in 1971, unless you are referring to Indian troops going into Bangla Desh (which has a complex background and cannot really be counted as an attack).
But more importantly, mis-adventures such as Kargil and the past and now current attacks across the LOC clearly demonstrate the aggressive nature of Pakistan viz a viz India and therefore my question, why USA is giving them any weapons
so entering east pakistan is not considered attack under what international convention you guys crossed the border to east pakistan and still thinking pakistan started the war.
yar kabi soch hi liya karo neutral ho key!
India is bigger country compared to Pakistan, has bigger army and resources, why would a country like Pakistan would like to invade it first?
Because US knows 4 F-16's is not going to do anything.
Especially since the entire India-Pakistan border is under covered completly by anti-aircraft missiles and most of the IAF airbases are very close to the border.
so entering east pakistan is not considered attack under what international convention you guys crossed the border to east pakistan and still thinking pakistan started the war.
yar kabi soch hi liya karo neutral ho key!
India is bigger country compared to Pakistan, has bigger army and resources, why would a country like Pakistan would like to invade it first?
Shak kills,Kindly go through the history.19781 war was started by Pakistan but it was forced to start a war due to many reasons.
Because US knows 4 F-16's is not going to do anything.
Especially since the entire India-Pakistan border is under covered completly by anti-aircraft missiles and most of the IAF airbases are very close to the border.
Even PAF has got its bases close to Indian border.It does not make any difference.Inspite of their proximities we had two full scale wars.
agreed, lol, they make good small items reliably these days like lighters and torches, radios but anything bigger than a microwave and its "no money back or exchange" if it breaks down
Also how much did the f16s cost and who got the 10% this time?
Actually, i wouldn't underestimate Chinese capability to mass produce defensive gadgets. JF10 is a better choice than F16 in my opinion. USA is far ahead with a F22 in the battle training and we're still drooling over a fighter that is 2 generations old.
Not that i know a lot about F16 capabilities, but still. Without upgrades, i'm not so sure how F16s perform head to head with Sukhoi.
Pak should get the Chinese J-10 Fighters which are comparable to F-16's......
don't know why Pak Air Force is so obsessed with F-16's....just get the chinese to give us their J-10 fighters and we are good to go
I think I know why PAF is so obsessed with F-16s... it might sound stupid but us Pakistanis are the champions when it comes to superstitious beliefs.
Since, F-16s did well in the 80s and have had a lot of success in the world as far as air combat is concerned, the superstitious Pakistanis (no matter how educated they become) tend to go for the same thing over and over again because it worked in the past.
Other than that, I do not have any other explanation as to why we still have those fighters and continue to acquire a 30 40 year old fighter jet.
Other than JF-17, and limited numbers of J-10, it would serve Pakistan better if PAF was equiped with aircrafts like Eurofighter or gripen.
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^ agreed...... f-16 is a overrated plane what are its supposed success
1-osirak raid , owe more to superior isreali pilots and again was a accurate strike mision
2- supposed f-16 claims by PAF against late floggers most likely fabricated, only confirmed kills against bombtrucks like frogfoots and fitters
3-IDAF success against outnumbered fishbeds and early floggers with no jammers or AWACS
but one practical reason why f-16 is probably is prefered since a whole generation of pilots have been trained on them and we have a huge reserve of pilots already trained on them.
in a big conflict f-16 wud have been no better than any other 4th generation fighter. esp. early f-16 in 80s were severely limited by lack of BVR weapons.
Part of the myth was created to aggresively market this plane to NATO and allies in 80-90s
Just as PAF was in love with the F-104 in 60s only to be bitterly disappointed in 71 I think the f-16 myth has endured for a long time.
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The problem here is,if Pakistan goes for upgradation of F-16,it is not going to srve any purpose.Upgrading any old model(like F-16),is not a good idea.Moreover F-16 has a better compeititor,SUKHOI ,that's more manoeuvrable but belonging to F-16 era.Pakistan should go for `now in use' rather than `still in use'.
But agan it is doubtful that the U.S will intened to deliver it to Pakistan citing regional arms race.
Pak should get the Chinese J-10 Fighters which are comparable to F-16's......
don't know why Pak Air Force is so obsessed with F-16's....just get the chinese to give us their J-10 fighters and we are good to go
Pakistan has singed a deal with China for 35-40 FC-20 advance version of J-10. cost about 45 million dollars each..
The reason why PAF is so "obsessed" with F-16 is because its cheap and the technology is very up to date.. specially when these F-16 block 15 will be upgraded "MLU" they will be brought up to USAF F-16 block 52 standard... Turkey and Pakistan will upgrade them starting from 2009..
PAF will also receive 18-36 Block 52+ advance version of block 52.. and plus they come with a better armament package like one of the most advance AMRAM Aim-120 C5 and GPS guided kits JDAMs for gravity bombs which turns them into pin point accurate..
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Originally Posted by gesto
Chinese technology is not reliable.
What makes you say that? because they have successfully revers engineered Mig-21 -> J-7 and even Su-27-> J-11, indigenous J-10 and now working on 5th generation stealth fighters with Russia or you are just showing your indianess??
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Originally Posted by Jaan Leva
I think I know why PAF is so obsessed with F-16s... it might sound stupid but us Pakistanis are the champions when it comes to superstitious beliefs.
Other than JF-17, and limited numbers of J-10, it would serve Pakistan better if PAF was equiped with aircrafts like Eurofighter or gripen.
What kind of logic is that??
KSA bought 72 EF-2000 for 45 billion dollars and do you think with Mr-10% around and drowning economy we can afford 70+ million dollars aircraft?
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WASHINGTON: The United States has released $116 million to finance mid-life upgrades for Pakistan’s existing fleet of F-16 fighter planes. The US administration released the amount after the completion of necessary process for shifting funds from foreign military financing, already allocated for the anti-terrorism South Asian ally. US officials, commenting on the proposed re-allocation of funds last month, said jets upgrades would help enhance Pakistan’s counter-terrorism capability. app
What makes you say that? because they have successfully revers engineered Mig-21 -> J-7 and even Su-27-> J-11, indigenous J-10 and now working on 5th generation stealth fighters with Russia or you are just showing your indianess??
Dude,the chinese made planes have never been put to test in a real combat situation anywhere in the world,barring vietnam.Wherea F-16 or Sukhoi's have been used in war situations.
Dude,the chinese made planes have never been put to test in a real combat situation anywhere in the world,barring vietnam.Wherea F-16 or Sukhoi's have been used in war situations.
I had my doughs but now you just proved what an idiot you are!
71 war?? mig-19-> F-6! by far one of the most lethal fighter in the subcontinent and even shoot down much more superior IAF mig-21s!
Neither Su-30 MKI, or Mirage-2000 have got into any battles so that does not mean they are not tested and they suck ohh in fact none of Su-30 series that China and IAF operate have seen any combat...
Boy,Go to school , learn history and come back!!!This is not a place for your nonsense talks.
Foget your F-6 gibberish talks.You even do not know what's MIG-21 to talk abt here.
Mig 21 loss was two to J-6 Four in 1971 war. J-6 was just a Mig-19 Chinese variant.You learn that first.
Mirage 2000 have been used in Youglosovia,Kargil war and now in Afghanistan.Get facts right.
SU-30 was introduced only in 1996 and too early to put to a comabt situation but SU-27 planes have been used..One example is Ethopia -Eritrian war of 1999......
Besides, Russia the then U.S.S.R had used Sukhois in Afghanistan.
