~~~ Behind the scene ~~~ - Page 2

mAd_ScIeNtIsT · Jun 19th, 2009, 01:29 PM

Let's consider what we have here.

1) Pictures of uncircumcised bodies alleged to be Taliban, no proof they are and no proof they aren't, but the government and ISPR have not denied that these are bodies from the current operation. I'm therefore inclined to believe from the lack of government denial that these pictures are real.

2) Yet the government is not blaming any other country for sending these men. Why? After all, even before India or Afghanistan hav a single body in its posession after any attack over there, they immediately blame Pakistan.

Why would this happen?

There are a number of possibilities. In order of most to least likely:
a) The government wants to hide foreign involvement. : This is extremely unlikely as the government would only gain from showing other countries were stoking this, both domestically and internationnally. Pakistan could prove itself to be the target of an international conspiracy, rallying the people behind Zardari, boosting his power and allowing him to do almost anything.

Even if the government tried to cover up foreign involvement, conservative elements in the government and military would speak to the press. Anyone who was fired for exposing a foreign plot against the county would become a hero in the media; and would turn into a weapon for the opposition to swiftly bring down the government.

b) The second explanation, that some tribes are less strict about certain religious norms, would fit better with the government's explanation. Both the government and army would be internationally humiliated if they blamed other countries based on the circumcision evidence alone, only for news about tribal customs to filter out later. The government and army's actions are consistent with how they would behave if they knew that not all pashtun tribes practiced circumcision.

Muslims in different parts of the world practice Islam to different extents. In Pakistan we have Muslims who go to the graves or "pirs" to pray for their intervention; in Africa you get Muslims who go to those who claim to practice black magic; etc. It' snot hard to believe that you would get Muslims who similarly stray by not getting snipped.

nikhil25 · Jun 20th, 2009, 04:07 AM

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Originally Posted by sandhu786

Not true...! I used to go to NWFP and other frontier areas as a kid and I used to pee with friends and I found them circumcized.

this is a great post.

your desperation to prove some comically ridiculous theory about the indian government sending gurkhas to waziristan to fight with the taliban has led you to cite as evidence your personal experience examining your friends' penises in the NWFP.

lol.

xephyr · Jun 22nd, 2009, 01:03 AM

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Originally Posted by nikhil25

this is a great post.

your desperation to prove some comically ridiculous theory about the indian government sending gurkhas to waziristan to fight with the taliban has led you to cite as evidence your personal experience examining your friends' penises in the NWFP.

lol.

simplyme · Jun 22nd, 2009, 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Gujjar Badshah

Pakistani Army killed some so called militants which was fighting in the name of Islam, they have reveled they are not muslims. they are not Talibans, they are non muslims and believers, I myslef got some clues via email of it, which i cant upload here, coz it contains explict images and voilence as well.

If someone wants I can provide you PM me and i will be at your services.

But besure and tell your brothers and sisters these are hindus, The indians who are killing us witht he aid of Iserael and America..

open your eyes.. they are not talibans. There are no Talibans as such now.

there is no Al Qaida and something like that, its just the second name of a reason to finish Islam and its believers.

your truly.

GB

I totally agree. There is nothing like the Taliban. The so called Taliban is made of Indian agents. Gas them, torture them, kill them.

Totally support you on this. The so called Taliban who do not understand the modern concept of life should not be left alive on this earth. They should be wiped out.

Really dont know how the Taliban lovers will react to this. But by doing all this Pakistan government would be doing society a favour.

It is the end result that matters, not the means. So be happy while you are killing Taliban,but the end result is that India would also be gloating over this.

simplyme · Jun 22nd, 2009, 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by mAd_ScIeNtIsT

Let's consider what we have here.

1) Pictures of uncircumcised bodies alleged to be Taliban, no proof they are and no proof they aren't, but the government and ISPR have not denied that these are bodies from the current operation. I'm therefore inclined to believe from the lack of government denial that these pictures are real.

2) Yet the government is not blaming any other country for sending these men. Why? After all, even before India or Afghanistan hav a single body in its posession after any attack over there, they immediately blame Pakistan.

Why would this happen?

There are a number of possibilities. In order of most to least likely:
a) The government wants to hide foreign involvement. : This is extremely unlikely as the government would only gain from showing other countries were stoking this, both domestically and internationnally. Pakistan could prove itself to be the target of an international conspiracy, rallying the people behind Zardari, boosting his power and allowing him to do almost anything.

Even if the government tried to cover up foreign involvement, conservative elements in the government and military would speak to the press. Anyone who was fired for exposing a foreign plot against the county would become a hero in the media; and would turn into a weapon for the opposition to swiftly bring down the government.

b) The second explanation, that some tribes are less strict about certain religious norms, would fit better with the government's explanation. Both the government and army would be internationally humiliated if they blamed other countries based on the circumcision evidence alone, only for news about tribal customs to filter out later. The government and army's actions are consistent with how they would behave if they knew that not all pashtun tribes practiced circumcision.

Muslims in different parts of the world practice Islam to different extents. In Pakistan we have Muslims who go to the graves or "pirs" to pray for their intervention; in Africa you get Muslims who go to those who claim to practice black magic; etc. It' snot hard to believe that you would get Muslims who similarly stray by not getting snipped.

Maddy seriously this topic did not deserve such a big post from you.
Simple question --If it is the external agencies which is fomenting trouble, would'nt they take the take the basic precaution of circumcising the fighters before they get to Pakistan...

Punjabee in USA · Jun 23rd, 2009, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by nikhil25

this is a great post.

your desperation to prove some comically ridiculous theory about the indian government sending gurkhas to waziristan to fight with the taliban has led you to cite as evidence your personal experience examining your friends' penises in the NWFP.

lol.

diwana · Jun 24th, 2009, 12:53 AM

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Originally Posted by simplyme

Maddy seriously this topic did not deserve such a big post from you.
Simple question --If it is the external agencies which is fomenting trouble, would'nt they take the take the basic precaution of circumcising the fighters before they get to Pakistan...

With your analogy, these external people should pre-plan their certain death and be worried about their underwear taken off after death?

What a ludicrous analogy!

simplyme · Jun 24th, 2009, 02:07 AM

^^

Seriously how old are you...

Coming back to the topic. In any war or battle you expect some of your soldiers to be killed, to be taken prisoner.

If you cannot understand the argument, I rest my case.Logic is for intelligent people my friend.

diwana · Jun 24th, 2009, 04:13 AM

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Originally Posted by simplyme

^^

Seriously how old are you...

Coming back to the topic. In any war or battle you expect some of your soldiers to be killed, to be taken prisoner.

If you cannot understand the argument, I rest my case.Logic is for intelligent people my friend.

Mentally, much too older!

Yes. Enough risk to call a barber! Brilliant! :-)

May the soul of this logic stay resting.

simplyme · Jun 24th, 2009, 04:20 AM

^^

When caught with your pants down call a barber. Is that what you guys do... Anyway good for you...

As I said Logic is for intelligent people.

Gujjar Badshah · Jun 24th, 2009, 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Raj_ind

Well, though I m not a muslim myself, but what I know is that circumcision is a sunnah and not a fard. Therefore its by no means a must for a muslim. Although muslims get it done.

And what about the ones who convert in their adulthood to Islam?

FYI please do not make false statements, its compulsary for us ( Muslims ).

diwana · Jun 24th, 2009, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by simplyme

^^

When caught with your pants down call a barber. Is that what you guys do... Anyway good for you...

As I said Logic is for intelligent people.

lol!