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Old Jul 27th, 2009, 09:19 PM   #1 (permalink)  
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India joins elite club with nuke submarine launch: Rediff.com news

India reached a milestone on Sunday when Prime Minister Manmohan Singh [ Images ] and his wife Gursharan Kaur launched the country's first indigenous nuclear-powered submarine 'INS Arihant' for sea trials. Kaur broke a coconut and performed a puja after which she unveiled a plaque naming the 112-metre-long submarine."I name it INS Arihant. All the best to the submarine," she said. Declaring that India has achieved a "historic milestone in the country's defence preparedness" with the launch of the submarine, the Prime Minister said, "We don't have any aggressive designs nor do we seek to threaten anyone. "We seek an external environment in our region and beyond that is conducive to our peaceful development and protection of our value systems," Singh said in his speech congratulating everyone associated with the advanced technology vessel (n-submarine) programme.

Singh said, "Nevertheless, it is incumbent upon us to take all measures necessary to safeguard our country and to keep pace with technological advancements worldwide". With the sea trials, India has announced to the world that it possesses underwater platforms capable of launching nuclear weapons, completing its nuclear triad (land, air and sea) capability and strengthening its strategic deterrence. It also made its entry into an elite club of nations comprising the US, Russia [ Images ], France [ Images ], the UK and China which possess capabilities to develop nuclear submarine.

Code-named Advanced Technology Vessel (ATV), the submarine christened 'INS Arihant' (destroyer of enemy) was launched for sea trials at the Matsya naval dockyard in Vishakapatnam. As India has declared "no first use" of nuclear weapons, the country's weapons system must survive a first strike for retaliation. Therefore, Arihant's primary weapon is stealth as it can lurk in ocean depths of half a kilometre or more and fire its missiles from under the sea. The 6000-tonne submarine is powered by an 85 megawatt capacity nuclear reactor and can acquire surface speeds of 22 to 28 kmph (12-15 knots) and submerged speed upto 44 kmph (24 knots). It will be carrying a crew of 95 men and will be armed with torpedoes and missiles including 12 ballistic missiles. Four more nuclear-powered submarines of this class have already got government's nod and these would add to the Navy's underwater combat potential in the years to come.

Defence Minister A K Antony, Navy chief Admiral Sureesh Mehta and Andhra Pradesh Chief Minister Y S Rajasekhara Reddy witnessed the event. The Prime Minister flew to Vishakapatnam this morning by the IAF's newly acquired Boeing business jet and reached the venue of the submarine launch by road. Sea trials of the submarine will be conducted in the Bay of Bengal off Vishakapatnam, where the vessel was under construction for the last two decades. The Rs 30,000-crore secret nuclear submarine project was started in the 1980s though it was conceived by then Prime Minister Indira Gandhi [ Images ] in the 1970s. The first official admission of the project nearing completion came this February when Antony had announced it during the AeroIndia show in Bangalore.

INS Arihant can also be armed with cruise missiles. The Defence Research and Developmen Organisation is already working on an equally secretive Sagarika project for a 700-km K-15 missile, capable of carrying nuclear weapons. With US, Russia and China already fielding 5,000-km range SLBMs, the DRDO too has recently tested an SLBM based on the design of 3,500-km range Agni-III. The induction of ATV will help India to complete the nuclear weapons triad, as envisaged under its nuclear doctrine to deliver nuke-tipped missiles from land, air and sea. India has land-based nuclear-capable Agni ballistic missiles, apart from IAF fighters such as Mirage-2000 that can deliver tactical nukes. Two decades ago, India had operated a Charlie-class nuclear submarine, christened INS Chakra, leased from Russia for three years between 1989 and 1991. Moscow [ Images ] will again lease out two Akula-class nuclear submarines to New Delhi [ Images ] for 10 years. Plans to deliver the submarines this June were hit by a mishap during sea trials late last year. But hopes have soared for its delivery in 2010 after Russia took out the repaired vessel for sea trials again early this month.






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Old Jul 27th, 2009, 09:41 PM   #2 (permalink)  
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Old Jul 28th, 2009, 01:54 AM   #3 (permalink)  
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New arms race could be triggered after Indian nuke submarine: Pak Navy
Updated at: 1345 PST, Monday, July 27, 2009
KARACHI: The induction of nuclear submarine in Indian Navy is a step towards destabilizing the region, said Pakistan Navy.

Commenting on the induction of nuclear submarine in Indian Navy, spokesman of Pakistan Navy Salman Ali said Indian nuclear submarine will leave far reaching affects not only Pakistan but also Indian Ocean and adjoining coastal countries. It is a step towards destabilizing the entire region, which could be dangerous for regional peace and balance.

The spokesman said Indian nuclear submarine could launch nuclear arms race in the region. Government will decide about manufacturing of nuclear submarine as Pak Navy is fully prepared to materialize any decision of government, he added.

New arms race could be triggered after Indian nuke submarine: Pak Navy

I doubt the submarine design or technology is Indian. Its probably just being assembled locally, like many of their "Indigenous warships". But if they did design and build it, then its quite an achievement.
I don't think this changes anything for Pakistan. You have to look at the strategic implications of nuclear submarine. What can it do that their existing submarines cannot? Nuclear allows it to go on longer deeper missions. Pakistan is right next door, they don't need a nuclear sub for us. Yes nuclear subs are quiet, but now-a-days, AIP diesel subs are just as quiet. So its obvious to me that this capability is aimed at China, or other powers.







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although an important milestone for india but having seen its images in my opinion it is based on old design its too bulky based on russian design, exterior is so uneven it may not enough stealth lets see what comes out after trials.

still it would run on nuclear fuel, can fire nuclear missiles.






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Sorry to disappoint you, but this submarine is totally indgenous






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New arms race could be triggered after Indian nuke submarine: Pak Navy
Updated at: 1345 PST, Monday, July 27, 2009
KARACHI: The induction of nuclear submarine in Indian Navy is a step towards destabilizing the region, said Pakistan Navy.

Commenting on the induction of nuclear submarine in Indian Navy, spokesman of Pakistan Navy Salman Ali said Indian nuclear submarine will leave far reaching affects not only Pakistan but also Indian Ocean and adjoining coastal countries. It is a step towards destabilizing the entire region, which could be dangerous for regional peace and balance.

The spokesman said Indian nuclear submarine could launch nuclear arms race in the region. Government will decide about manufacturing of nuclear submarine as Pak Navy is fully prepared to materialize any decision of government, he added.

New arms race could be triggered after Indian nuke submarine: Pak Navy

I doubt the submarine design or technology is Indian. Its probably just being assembled locally, like many of their "Indigenous warships". But if they did design and build it, then its quite an achievement.
I don't think this changes anything for Pakistan. You have to look at the strategic implications of nuclear submarine. What can it do that their existing submarines cannot? Nuclear allows it to go on longer deeper missions. Pakistan is right next door, they don't need a nuclear sub for us. Yes nuclear subs are quiet, but now-a-days, AIP diesel subs are just as quiet. So its obvious to me that this capability is aimed at China, or other powers.
Well, it does allow them a relatively secure place to launch missles.

Their land and air based systems can be attacked more readily.

Pak will more then likely find a way to countr this... Although it will be expensive.






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Sorry to disappoint you, but this submarine is totally indgenous
yes exactly just INDI-genius like LCA/Arjun and all other Indian crap.






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Sure it is

Vice Admiral Kannan says.

Russia’s ambassador to India and Russian technologists associated with India’s nuclear submarine programme are present here. Their contribution is richly acknowledged.






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Vice Admiral Kannan says.

Russia’s ambassador to India and Russian technologists associated with India’s nuclear submarine programme are present here. Their contribution is richly acknowledged.
The Russians supported the ATV project by providing technical know-how and consultation, however this sub was built indigenously.






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The Russians supported the ATV project by providing technical know-how and consultation, however this sub was built indigenously.

Of course of course... using that line of logic I build lot of things indigenously too, so does every tom dick and harry.. LMAO....






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The Russians supported the ATV project by providing technical know-how and consultation, however this sub was built indigenously.

Russia’s ambassador to India and Russian technologists associated with India’s nuclear submarine programme are present here. Their contribution is richly acknowledged.“We never had a nuclear submarine, and we needed design consultancy from them,” Vice Admiral Kannan says. The Arihant has about 40 per cent indigenous content. The next two submarines of the same class that are planned are likely to have more.


now thats an INDIA-genius submarine !!!!

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Of course of course... using that line of logic I build lot of things indigenously too, so does every tom dick and harry.. LMAO....
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kahin se jalne ki boo aa rahi hai...

does not matter whether it's 0%, 40% or 100% indigenous; it's a nuclear submarine.







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In the end what really matters is that Inda has a nuke sub but one should also not forget that it will take more than 2 years of testing until the sub is inducted in the navy






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Well, it does allow them a relatively secure place to launch missles.
although its nuclear but it aint secure, seeing its design and exterior i am sure it can be detected...

but still its nuclear






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^where did you see the picture of the submarine.






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^where did you see the picture of the submarine.
i saw them on few news sites indian and cant find them now but rest assured this aint it INS Arihant - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

and also ones they are showing these days like Story Page that one is russian probably at port of Vladivostok and are akula class.
i would dig in and find the ones i saw soon.






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i saw them on few news sites indian and cant find them now but rest assured this aint it INS Arihant - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

and also ones they are showing these days like Story Page that one is russian probably at port of Vladivostok and are akula class.
i would dig in and find the ones i saw soon.
There were not allowed to take photos and that is why I was curious to know where you got the photos from. Your comments gave the impression that you have already seen the photos and had a good look at what is inside.






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