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View Poll Results: What are some of the problems circulating for Pakistan Hockey today?
Less Money / reward for hockey players? 10 66.67%
Less or No media coverage? 10 66.67%
No Future for players after Hockey ? 5 33.33%
No fields / grounds available? 9 60.00%
No grooming at school level? 10 66.67%
No support from Government? 10 66.67%
No academies available like cricket? 6 40.00%
No sponsors available to arrange regular tournaments? 8 53.33%
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Old Sep 11th, 2008, 02:18 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Hockey is our National Game, sadly new generation when they see a Hockey Stick in the hand of an old man using as support stick, those kids ask what kind of stick is it?


We need to enhance and promote it seriously! ... we need to give time to think for our National Game, remember we were once Champs, we had once 4+ cups in hand, and now we are barely standing at 8th position! why? because of :
  • Less Money / reward for hockey players?
  • Less or No media coverage?
  • No Future for players after Hockey ?
  • No fields / grounds available?
  • No grooming at school level?
  • No support from Government?
  • No academies available like cricket?
  • No sponsors available to arrange regular tournaments?
What you think how we can improve Pakistani Hockey?


(ps: mods can we do POLL? )







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Old Sep 11th, 2008, 02:33 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Unfortunately cricket, that killed hockey is going the same way and is heading towards same pethatic end.






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Old Sep 11th, 2008, 02:37 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Unfortunately cricket, that killed hockey is going the same way and is heading towards same pethatic end.
Na-ummedi gunah hay, ummed rakhain inshAllah we will rule the world once again :-)

All we need to do is back up and encourage our players, they are our heroes after all :-)

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Old Sep 11th, 2008, 02:38 PM   #4 (permalink)
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How about a new sub forum under Khail Khilari for example HockeyNama?






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Old Sep 11th, 2008, 02:51 PM   #5 (permalink)
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My opinion on this subject is cricket is perhaps not the major attraction of the society and the new generation, as it was once believed (which was a fact all throughout 90's). A lot of people are playing a whole variety of sports - football/soccer - and unfortunately, hockey is at the bottom of the list. The media has played a big part in giving less importance to hockey while the cricketers' interviews take preference on their Sports pages. Also, what is the status of current players who are playing hockey? What does our bench strength look like? Are there any new players, future blood coming up in this field?

As for academies, cricket has, as such, no (professional) academies either, other than what you already may know (army school training facility in Abbottabad, our Lahore's national academy, etc). Let's see how the new government takes our sports and transform it (for the lack of a better word).







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Old Sep 11th, 2008, 02:53 PM   #6 (permalink)
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hmm... good idea, a step towards giving it some media coverage!

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Old Sep 11th, 2008, 03:25 PM   #7 (permalink)
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Asal jar per tu war kiya hi nahi app nygali muhaly ki satah per cricket khylny ko bat aik kafi hy.Itni hockiyan kon laay woh bhi bachon ky liy.isi liy main ny no grooming school lavel chuna
Club ki satah ki bat main nahi ker rahi
Main ju hockey nahi khyli o ski wajah Cricket ka bat tu aik hi kafi hy muhly main hamary aba ny hamin ly ker diya tha donon teamin wohi istymal kerti thi (jis ka bat woh captinka usool raaij tha waisy)hockey ky liy ham sab bachy yehi kehty thy kaise khailin her aik ky pass hockey honi zarori hy or her koi khareed nahi sakta bas cricket hi khylty hain
Sponsor tu tab hon gy na jab koi khyly ga,
Kuch kerin gy tu media coverage bhi milly hi gi
Cricket ky liy konsy ground avaialbe hain sarkon or galion main khyl ker hi jwan hoy hain







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Old Sep 12th, 2008, 04:59 AM   #9 (permalink)
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Since the intro of artificial pitches we have gone down hill, as Mostar95 says, but not just a question of fitness. We do not have the number of pitches (financial reasons) to develop talent in quantity from a young age as prior to artificial intro. In Europe these pitches are everywhere and there are lots of youngsters involved from school going age. The old game was really artistry and players continued at international level even in their late 30's, sometimes early 40's, now by around late 20's the body is kaput for top level tournaments - because of the strain on muscles, bones and ligaments due to the artificial surface.
If sponsors put money in the game to have these pitches in every corner of the country (or almost) then situation could improve.






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The major reason is the introduction of artificial pitches. Hockey is no longer a game of artistry. Its a game of super fitness. And both Pakistan and India are weaker people.
Could this be said of South Koreans, are they also weaker?

Haven't the South Koreans improved as a hockey nation compared to Pakistan and Indian declining?







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Merey ghar mein tou abhi bhi super HOCKEY machis use hotee hai

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infact ... abb tou ghar ghar mein hockey jal rahe hai






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Found an old notebook with the results of the 5th WC held in Bombay 29/12/81 - 12/01/82:

In preliminary matches:
Pak-Arg 6-1
Pak-Nzl 12-3
Pak-Pol 4-1
Pak-Spa 4-1
Pak-WGer 5-3;

total 5 wins, goals 31-9

Semis: Pak-Hol 4-2

Final: Pak-WGer 3-1

Total 7 matches, 7 wins, goals 38-12.

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None of the abovementioned poll options...it all boil down to an insightful coaching...







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Old Sep 13th, 2008, 11:42 PM   #15 (permalink)
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Found an old notebook with the results of the 5th WC held in Bombay 29/12/81 - 12/01/82:

In preliminary matches:
Pak-Arg 6-1
Pak-Nzl 12-3
Pak-Pol 4-1
Pak-Spa 4-1
Pak-WGer 5-3;

total 5 wins, goals 31-9

Semis: Pak-Hol 4-2

Final: Pak-WGer 3-1

Total 7 matches, 7 wins, goals 38-12.

Those were the days my friends ...

That was the last world cup played on grass!!!






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No other sports has kept (and will ever keep) the green moonstar flag as high as hockey has done.

4 World Cups
3 Olympic Gold Medals
7 or 8 Asian Gold Medals
Favourable match balance against every other team (except Holland) I think. But it is fastly deteriorating now.

But Pakistan public has not given due attention to the sport so far.






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Could this be said of South Koreans, are they also weaker?

Haven't the South Koreans improved as a hockey nation compared to Pakistan and Indian declining?
South Koreans are far healthier than us. So are the Japanese and they are also giving us tough times.






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Pakistan's team during 1978-1980 was the most superb hockey team ever produced by this country. It remained almost victorious against every other team during those two years with tennis margin wins over Australia and the Netherlands. Unfortunately we did not participate in the Moscow Olympics games then otherwise we would have won the three titles at a time - World Cup, Olypmics and Champions Trophy.






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hmm... good idea, a step towards giving it some media coverage!

Are we ready to post enough replies?
Yes thats the main problem. Even here on GS only a few bothers to post about hockey whereas there are loads of people to chat about cricket.






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The fact is ....
PPL dont find hockey entertaining any more ........






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Pakistan's team during 1978-1980 was the most superb hockey team ever produced by this country. It remained almost victorious against every other team during those two years with tennis margin wins over Australia and the Netherlands. Unfortunately we did not participate in the Moscow Olympics games then otherwise we would have won the three titles at a time - World Cup, Olypmics and Champions Trophy.
Mostar please give them a little more credit than that. Our hockey team was near invincible (I would say) till about the 1984 Los Angeles Olympics. Several senior players (incl. Samiullah and Manzoor Junior) barring Hassan Sardar retired after that event and by 1986 our hockey was in decline.







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I think many of the options listed above are inter-linked, so it was hard for me to decide which option to go for. In the end I voted for 'no support from the government'







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Mostar please give them a little more credit than that. Our hockey team was near invincible (I would say) till about the 1984 Los Angeles Olympics. Several senior players (incl. Samiullah and Manzoor Junior) barring Hassan Sardar retired after that event and by 1986 our hockey was in decline.
Actually our decline had already started after 1980. We had very bad results in 1981-1984 Champions Tropy. Our perfomance at the 1984 Olympics was not of that quality that used to be in 1978-1980. We only luckily got through the semi final due to other teams lacklustre.






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We do not have the number of pitches (financial reasons) to develop talent in quantity from a young age as prior to artificial intro. In Europe these pitches are everywhere and there are lots of youngsters involved from school going age. The old game was really artistry and players continued at international level even in their late 30's, sometimes early 40's, now by around late 20's the body is kaput for top level tournaments - because of the strain on muscles, bones and ligaments due to the artificial surface.
If sponsors put money in the game to have these pitches in every corner of the country (or almost) then situation could improve.
Hockey has become a sport of richer nations only.






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Old Sep 15th, 2008, 05:20 AM   #25 (permalink)
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The players nowadays are motivated by money. Pakistani Hockey main paisa bohat kam hai banisbat Cricket kay. Hockey Leagues in Holland for example pay a lot more then our national side and dead ball specialist Sohail Abbas took advantage of that (regardless of whether the Hocket Fed' mistreated him). Secondly the PHF needs to be revamped (Mir Jamali and co' out!). What does contract killer Jamali know about Hockey? We need proper fitness coaches for the players. Boot camp style training would help beef up the stamina of the single pasli's in the side. Media overage is a non issue for me as once we start getting the results then broadcasters will show interest; as we are on a steady decline nobody is interested in giving the boys air time.







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