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      at least PM Shujaat deserves some thanx for this job
      since his death no Pakistani Govt ever bothered to bring back his remains from the UK to be burried in his homeland


      ISLAMABAD: PML has announced to bring back to Pakistan remains of dead body of eminent leader of Pakistan movement Chaudhry Rehmat Ali from Britain.

      This was stated by PML President Chaudhry Shujaat Hussain while inaugurating PML website at PML house on Saturday.

      Speaking on the occasion the premier said they had tried some two years back to bring the remnants of Ch Rehmat Ali's dead body saying that they had been confronting snags and hiccups in this regard.

      "After assuming PM office I directed foreign office to make arrangements for bringing the relics of Rehmat's dead body from UK", said Shujaat Hussain.

      Foreign minister Khurshid Mehmood Kasuri said on the directives of Prime Minister Shujaat , Pakistan ambassador to UK Maleeha Lodhi took up the matter with the concerned authorities in Britain, saying that they had received a letter from UK in this regard according to which Ch Rehmat is laid to rest in grave no 8330 in Cambridge.

      Secretary General PML Mushahid Hussain said that the site would render recognition not only to PML workers but to the party as well all over the world. He said that PML golden jubilee would be observed in 2006.

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      Originally posted by Shehenshah:
      at least PM Shujaat deserves some thanx for this job
      Ch Rehmat Ali died b4 Pakistan was created
      and since then no Pakistani Govt ever bothered to bring back his remains from the UK to be burried in his homeland
      He did not die b4 Pakistan was created- he died in 1950s ('54 I think) . I have pasted my previous post in another thread which is relevant here- good to see this subject has been raised again:


      "One thing that annoys me is that we have completely forgotten Ch Rehmat Ali's contribution in all this. He did not merely name Pakistan, but actually came up with the idea!

      Allama Iqbal actually did not propose Pakistan in his Allahabad address- his idea was to have a federation of states within India. He is quoted to have said "do not link me with this Pakistan movement".

      Ch Rehmat Ali was at Cambridge at the time. He liked Iqbal's idea and expanded it. He drew up many maps and wrote many papers on Pakistan. His dream was not limited to Pakistan- on his maps, he had banglistan, Hyderabad, Usmanistan etc etc. He actually met with Jinnah during the round table conferences and proposed his Pakistan idea but Jinnah dismissed it as a student's dream.

      Later on in 1940, the then governor of Punjab made sure that Ch Rehmat Ali could not enter Lahore on 23rd March (I read somewhere). After Pakistan's creation, Ch Rehmat Ali went to Pakistan but was treated very badly by the authorities so much so that he left and spent the rest of his life in Cambridge. I think the muslim league leadership felt threatened by him somehow. He was not happy with Jinnah's Pakistan anyway as he felt that the creation of Pakistan had betrayed all the other muslims. His dream was to have a number of muslim majority states, not just pakistan.

      It was only after his death that it was made public that he named Pakistan. At that time, the government said that they would excavate his remains and make a tomb for him in Pakistan. Obviously that promise was forgotton soon and he still lays in a graveyard in Cambridge. His last days were very lonely in a nursing home.

      Now 57 years later, we should also give this man his due credit in the creation of Pakistan."

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      Originally posted by Khattana:


      He did not die b4 Pakistan was created- he died in 1950s ('54 I think) . I have pasted my previous post in another thread which is relevant here- good to see this subject has been raised again:


      "One thing that annoys me is that we have completely forgotten Ch Rehmat Ali's contribution in all this. He did not merely name Pakistan, but actually came up with the idea!

      Allama Iqbal actually did not propose Pakistan in his Allahabad address- his idea was to have a federation of states within India. He is quoted to have said "do not link me with this Pakistan movement".

      Ch Rehmat Ali was at Cambridge at the time. He liked Iqbal's idea and expanded it. He drew up many maps and wrote many papers on Pakistan. His dream was not limited to Pakistan- on his maps, he had banglistan, Hyderabad, Usmanistan etc etc. He actually met with Jinnah during the round table conferences and proposed his Pakistan idea but Jinnah dismissed it as a student's dream.

      Later on in 1940, the then governor of Punjab made sure that Ch Rehmat Ali could not enter Lahore on 23rd March (I read somewhere). After Pakistan's creation, Ch Rehmat Ali went to Pakistan but was treated very badly by the authorities so much so that he left and spent the rest of his life in Cambridge. I think the muslim league leadership felt threatened by him somehow. He was not happy with Jinnah's Pakistan anyway as he felt that the creation of Pakistan had betrayed all the other muslims. His dream was to have a number of muslim majority states, not just pakistan.

      It was only after his death that it was made public that he named Pakistan. At that time, the government said that they would excavate his remains and make a tomb for him in Pakistan. Obviously that promise was forgotton soon and he still lays in a graveyard in Cambridge. His last days were very lonely in a nursing home.

      Now 57 years later, we should also give this man his due credit in the creation of Pakistan."
      i am removing the sentence from my post that he died before Pakisatn was created and thanx it was an interesting read
      lets see if Ch Shujjat can fulfill his promiss

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      Chaudhry Rehmat Ali was indeed a key mind behind the idea of Pakistan but he did not agree with what Pakistan had become after its creation. That is also why he never came back and I don't think he wanted to be buried in Pakistan. He wanted a true federation of the muslim majority states of Pakistan, not the effective one unit.

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      For more info on Rehmat Ali, go to the following link and then go to the "Pakistan Declaration 1933". This is the first declaration of Pakistan that he made in his speech in Cambridge. It just proves that it was him who dreamt of Pakistan, not Iqbal.

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      A very sad story indeed-


      HEROES: RAHMAT FOR THE PEOPLE

      Professor K.K. Aziz, author of Rahmat Ali: A Biography, began by chronologically going through the life of Rahmat Ali "because the dates given by most people are wrong", discussed his contribution to the Pakistan movement, remarked on his individuality, and concluded by making some suggestions.

      Rahmat Ali was born on 16 November 1897 in Hoshiarpur, now Eastern Punjab to an ordinary village family. He went to a college in Jullunder and was at Islamia College, Lahore between 1915 and 1918 where he got his BA. He was Tutor at Aitchison College, Lahore from 1918 to 1923. Between 1923 and 1930 he was Legal Advisor to the Nawab of Mazari. He won a case for the Nawab and was rewarded handsomely. He used that money to fulfil his dream of education at Cambridge University, which only the well off and well connected 'Indians' could aspire to in those days. He arrived in England in November 1930 and joined Emmanuel College, Cambridge in January 1931, completing his BA degree in April 1933 (MA Oct 1940). On 28 January 1933 he issued his pamphlet Now or Never demanding Pakistan. From henceforth he dedicated his life to Pakistan.

      In 1940 he returned to the Sub-continent, landing in Karachi and aiming to go to Lahore, but the British did not allow him to travel to Punjab Province (this is when the Lahore Session of the All-India Muslim League was about to take place and Rahmat Ali wanted to influence the Lahore Resolution). He was 'deported' and he returned to England. In January 1943 he was called to the Bar (Middle Temple, London). After the creation of Pakistan he returned back to his homeland in April 1948, planning to stay for good, but he was ordered out of his country, with his belongings confiscated, and he left empty-handed for England in October 1948. He died on 3 February 1951 in Cambridge -- a lonely man in a state of poverty, and with no one to take responsibility for his burial, Emmanuel College's Master, who had been Rahmat Ali's Tutor, himself arranged the burial in Cambridge on 20 February 1951. (Being in Cambridge, I'm fortunate that I've had many a occasion to visit the grave for fatiha prayer, and I can tell you that it is a sight which brings tears to the eyes.)

      Rahmat Ali was a prophetic and a tragic figure in the history of the Sub-continent. His worth was not recognised in his life, he was not recognised when he died, and he has not been recognised after all these years. It may be noted that from 1933, when he first proposed Pakistan, right up to his death in 1951, he consistently and continuously did nothing but campaign for his Pakistan demand against all odds, for example initial opposition from the All-India Muslim League and later their enmity. Still, he succeeded in creating a large public opinion in favour of Pakistan and the proof is that between 1935 and early 1939 about 300 articles appeared in the Punjab/Urdu press supporting Pakistan. Professor Aziz asserted that Rahmat Ali moulded the opinion of the Muslims and forced the Muslim League to follow suit when it hadn't even begun to consider the idea of Pakistan.

      Although the idea of the Two Nation Theory (TNT) was not new as such, nobody had put it forward so precisely as Rahmat Ali had. His is the earliest and finest elaboration of the case that Muslims are a distinct and separate nation, and, therefore, deserved a separate home. Earlier historic mentions of the TNT were vague and brief references only. It was Rahmat Ali who argued and defined the ideal of Pakistan on the philosophical concept of the TNT. Some of his ideas, such as, demand for numerous small Muslim states in India may have been impracticable, but they highlighted his burning desire to save every Muslim from Hindu domination. Much of his post-1947 efforts were for the Muslim minority in India and he took up the matter at the level of the UN. He was also concerned about other, non-Muslim minorities in the region.

      Rahmat Ali's efforts knew no bounds. Professor Aziz stated that he did not know of any other leader in the history of the Sub-continent Muslims who was committed to a particular cause so consistently and who was almost 'mad' in the pursuit of his goals. He spent a life in exile, with the latter years in agony, but he was not acknowledged by the people or by the party that created Pakistan, the Muslim League. In spite of the frustrations and disappointments, he was not bitter towards his beloved Pakistan and the heartache did not diminish his ideal and his spirit of self-sacrifice. His power of endeavour was truly immense and he was entirely committed to Pakistan. When asked why he did not marry, he replied that he was married to the cause of Pakistan. All who knew him, Muslim and non-Muslim alike, agreed that he was a perfect gentleman who did not lie or break promises.

      How is it, then, that a person of such heroic proportions is not acknowledged. History textbooks mention that he "coined" or "invented" the name of Pakistan, but fail to provide further accurate information on his life and his ideas. The Muslim League, the founding party of Pakistan, borrowed his idea but did not acknowledge his contribution and influence. Professor Aziz related that when his biography on Rahmat Ali was published there was a lack of adequate response from scholars ("a species extinct in Pakistan") book reviewers, the media, concerned officials and the public at large. What is more is that no British university has seemed fit that a student writes a dissertation on Rahmat Ali. After all, Rahmat Ali's writings are in English and he lived, and is buried, in this country. The silence is, therefore, on all sides.

      The Professor made some suggestions as to what needs to be done. He would like to see wider circulation of material of and on Rahmat Ali, that he would be happy to see his biography reprinted here along with The Complete Works of Rahmat Ali. The Pakistanis in Britain should approach the authorities in Cambridge to put up a plaque at 3 Humberstone Road with an inscription saying something like "Pakistan was born here. The word Pakistan was invented here on 28 January 1933 by Choudhary Rahmat Ali, student of Emmanuel College". Plaques should be put up at all the Cambridge addresses where Rahmat Ali lived, mainly 16 Montague Road. The tombstone at Rahmat Ali's grave in Newmarket Road Cemetery, Cambridge needs to be changed because it is "false history carved in stone" -- the date of death is given wrongly, Feb 12, 1951 instead of the actual date Feb 3, 1951. (I may add that an additional stone with the correct date was placed two years ago.) 16 Montague Road should be purchased and turned into a Rahmat Ali Museum to house everything of, and on, Rahmat Ali. Also, funds should be raised for a Scholarship or Fellowship to objectively work on Rahmat Ali.

      Professor Aziz concluded that he was saddened by the treatment meted out to Rahmat Ali and hoped that such things would not happen again. It was irrational and difficult to explain. His final words were that a nation which forgets its heroes forgets to produce heroes.

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      this is ridiculous...i mean ok, there may be a lot of sentiment involved about this hero of the freedom movement, but for cryin out loud! you cant actually dig up a grave 50 yrs later to fly a body some thousands of miles to bury it somewhere someone thinks it should be buried...it was Allah's will that he died and was buried in England, who are we to change that? and for what reason? no matter how much pakistanis may want him to be here, it just unjustifiable...more so when for the past 33 yrs the govt has paid no attn at all to brinigng home a few hundred (now a few thousand) living patriotic pakistanis of bihari origin stranded in bangladesh. why so much fuss over Ch Rehmat Ali's remains? He's been long dead. it's not as if UK is an enemy country...he is paid due respect there. let him be in peace. and i'm sure Ch. Rehmat Ali wouldnt have wanted any such thing, infact if he could say smthng about it i'm sure he'd point out to the govt the issues faced by pakistanis who are alive now...

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      Originally posted by Khattana:
      .....It just proves that it was him who dreamt of Pakistan, not Iqbal.
      May be according to 4th grade history books!

      Mr. Ali in 1930s was living in fool’s world and tried to propose balkanization of South Asia. He therefore was utterly rejected by every major player in the region. Every sane politician back in the 20's knew that South Asia would follow 1-state (or at the most 2-states) solution.

      OTOH Mr. Ali was not the first one to talk about Pakistan. Congress leaders had considered this idea good 13 years earlier. Even Wavell put forward this idea before Mr. Ali.

      Lala Lajpat Rai produced the first blue print of modern Pakistan in 1920s. He charted out the plan for kicking out the tribal and wayward 0.5 W. Punjab, Sarhad, Sindh, and 0.5 E. Bengal (Balochistan for some reason didn't show up in his list). Read his articles in Lahore's Tribune newspaper, and his letters to C.R. Daas (An eminent Bengali leader).

      You wonder why a fanatic leader like Rai would talk about creating a separate country?

      Well! Back in the 20's he thought Pakistan would be a weak state utterly dependent on Bha-Rat dole out. This will result in punishment of those antinationalists who were having hard time agreeing with commie leftie Nehruvian agenda.

      Jinnah and Iqbal were correct to figure this out and totally opposed the hideous plans by Congress for throwing out Muslim majority states. Wavell sensed it and used partition for scaring Jinnah into submission. I mean it is no secret that Jinnah himself used the term “Moth eaten” in 1947.

      Now you must question!

      If every significant assessment disproved the viability of Pakistan, how the heck did it survive?


      Hint! Furry hairballs were not the reason for Pak survival.

      Khuda Hafiz
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      I think Haris is right, let the guy rest in peace for God sakes.

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      What is this unISlamic thing? Why do we have to dig his grave and bring him back??? What crap is this....So bizaare..

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      i read the article posted/wrote by khattana and if all of that is the case then haven't hakumat-e-pakistan left it a bit late in showing some affection???? they din't give a toss about chauhdary sahab 40 odd years ago and now want to exhume the body and bring it BACK HOME.

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      IMHO, this is rediculous.If its specifically mentioned in his will, then it does make sense but there are countless ways of showing affection and acknowledging someone's contribution. Just because someone died in another country, doesn't make him any less Pakistani or render him less patriotic. Thanks all those who posted important information regarding Chaudry Rehmat Ali.

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      http://www.dawn.com/2004/08/28/letted.htm#6

      Resurrecting Chaudhri Rehmat Ali



      Chaudhry Shujaat Hussain's brief stint in office will be remembered for two things: bringing on the books a law that can only work against a free press and taking steps to exhume Chaudhri Rehmat Ali's remains from Britain and bringing them back to Pakistan. The first decision shows lack of concern for press freedom, the second lack of knowledge about history.

      Chaudhri Rehmat Ali's claim that he coined the word Pakistan has always been disputed by Mohammad Aslam Khattak, who is alive and, if asked, will reaffirm his claim that he it was who came up with the acronym Pakistan.

      Chaudhry Rehmat Ali is buried in Cambridge because that is where he chose to live instead of Pakistan which he denounced in language of the vilest abuse. He used even harsher words for the founder of Pakistan, Quaid-i-Azam Mohammad Ali Jinnah.

      In 1933, Chaudhri Rehmat Ali wrote a pamphlet called 'Now or Never'; it bore three signatures, one of the signatories being Aslam Khattak. He criticized Iqbal for proposing an Indian federation in which the Muslims would be a minority.

      He castigated other Muslim leaders whom he called camp followers of British imperialism and blind imitators of Congress who had placed the Muslims at the mercy of British imperialism and caste Hindu nationalism.

      Since all Muslim leaders had failed, he wrote, "Allah has assigned that fateful task to me, that He commanded me to do it; that He wanted me to challenge the might, to oppose the Indian federation, to propose the Islamic federation." He called his mission divinely inspired.

      In Rehmat Ali's concept of Pakistan, every non-Muslim was to remain subservient to the master race he called The Paks. And, yes, the subcontinent was to be renamed Dinia. He did not say how he was going to bring all that about.

      Exactly six days after the Muslim League's acceptance of the June 3, 1947, Plan, Rehmat Ali denounced the Quaid-i-Azam in venomous language. Ten weeks later, he published a pamphlet called 'The Greatest Betrayal' condemning the Quaid and the League for having written "the most shameful and treacherous chapter" in Muslim history.

      He wrote that the Quaid had shattered the foundations of Muslim nationhood and sabotaged the future of 100 million Muslims living in the "continent of Dinia and its dependencies." He called on all Muslims to rise against Jinnah and "repudiate and nullify his treacherous plan."

      Rehmat Ali said Mr Jinnah had dealt six "deadly blows" to the Muslims. He had destroyed Muslim unity, and paralyzed and battered Bengal and Assam, turning them into dominions bearing allegiance to "the King of Britain".

      He had let the Hindus free to plan the "division, degradation and exploitation of the Millat." Mr Jinnah had surrendered Muslim shrines and mosques to the Hindus and turned Muslim victories of the past into defeats. He wrote that Mr Jinnah had not accepted Pakistan but "PASTAN, the shadow of Pakistan."

      There is more but I will stop here with the observation that even the worst enemies of the Quaid and the Muslim League put together will not be seen to have heaped such abuse on him.

      The Quaid, as was characteristic of him, simply ignored the outpourings of a confused mind. I hope if not Mr Shujaat Hussain, then PML information secretary, Sen. Tariq Azim, who we are told headed the committee that is said to have "finalized the arrangements" for bringing back Chaudhri Rehmat Ali's body, will read this and reconsider what he and his principals are doing out of ignorance.

      KHALID HASAN

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      ^ after reading that article i'd say leave mr rehmat ali in cambridge

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      Originally posted by Sadiqaan:
      http://www.dawn.com/2004/08/28/letted.htm#6

      Resurrecting Chaudhri Rehmat Ali


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      KHALID HASAN

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      well the above is not an article by a regular journalist who can be held responsible for his writings , it's just a viewpoint of a reader expressed in a letter to the editor so the authenticity of the information can be questioned

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