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Old Jan 1st, 2006, 01:23 AM   #1
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QUETTA: [A group of local journalists visited the Kahan Camps recently where activists of 'Resistance Movement' are under training.

The Mari Tribe headed by Mir Sher Mohammad Mari (generally known as General Sherrof) fought against the Govt of Pakistan whereas Sardar Khair Bux Mari - another influential person of Marri Tribe parted his way due to his differences with General Sherrof. He lives in Kahan (near Kohlu).During the recent journalists' visit to Training Camps, it was disclosed that more than 60 training camps are working in the area where Baloch youth are getting armed training. The estimated number of such persons is in thousands whereas hundreds of youth are joining these camps daily.

Dosteen Baloch is Commander of one of such Training Camps. He told the journalists: 'Resources of Balochistan have been occupied whereas the entity of Balochs has been badly damaged. The time to resolve the problems through democratic means has already exhausted. Now we have been compelled to take our Arms.' He added: ' I am graduate and married. Now our children ask when they will join the movement.'Another Commander of the Camp namely said he is a landlord who got an opportunity to exchange the views with some young persons already present in the Camp. Now I have decided to participate in the struggle in principle. He complained that national rights f Balochistan have been looted.

During the survey conducted by journalists, it was noted that Balochs were being trained with Rocket Launchers, RPG Seven, Mortars, Anti-aircraft Guns, Kalashnikovs, land mines etc. They were possessing modern wireless sets, walkie-talkies, and satellites sets. Nevertheless, they had modern communication system. The camps were equipped with electric generators. For transport, they had motorcycles, pick-ups etc.,When Chief Minister of Balochistan Mir Jam Yousuf contacted in Naushki, he said 'Operation' would be launched in the areas where such training camps exist. He said disclosure of such camps is tantamount to blackmailing tactics.Meanwhile, Chief of Jamhoori Wattan Party (JWP) and former Governor of Balochistan, Nawab Akbar Khan Bugti told journalists about such training camps, in Dera Bugti, it is the result of state oppression, injustices and prevailing 'sense of deprivation' among the Balochs. He further said that Govt has itself created such situation where the Balochistan has become centre of such resistance movements and it has also compelled our Baloch youth to take arms.

In Islamabad, Federal Interior Minister Faisal Hayyat replying to a question said: Like Al-Quaida, nationalists have proved themselves detrimental to the country. Meanwhile, many Baloch leaders have been arrested in Turbat, Mund and other parts of Balochistan.The world media has also covered activity of such training camps with photographs Well placed sources maintained that the government has decided, for the movement, not to go ahead with its plan of a military operation in Balochistan and buy some time by talking to local tribal leaders who they basically view with contempt.

It is generally believed that the present insurgency in Balochistan which includes almost daily rocket attacks on the Quetta cantonment and other strategic installations besides gas pipelines has been perpetrated by the still undefined Baloch Liberation Army.The Baloch Liberation Army is an amorphous, underground organization which was envisaged in the Balochistan university many years ago during the cold war era. Extremists, left-leaning students of the Baloch Students Organization (BSO) were in most important component. To establish the BLA as a countervailing force in a region perceived to be the weakest link in the US chain, that is, Pakistan, the former USSR funded BLA with money and arms and logistics. After the Soviets were removed from power in Russia, nothing was heard about BLA.

However, after the collapse of the Taliban in Afghanistan but with their a presence near the Pak-Afghan border areas, sources said the US thought it prudent to establish its own spy network to counter-check the information made available to them by the ISI. The anti-Taliban nationalists elements, whether they are Pakhtuns or Balochs , were thought to be the best available resource that could be used to keep a track on Taliban activities.In these circumstances, when Sardar Attaullah Khan Mengal came from London to Pakistan after a long exile, it was not surprising for many long suspicious people.Sources in the Pakistan Army went on to say that soon after the Sardar returned, the youth were reorganized under the banner of Baloch Liberation Army (BLA). Kohlu was the place where a recruitment and training camp was established.

Sources in Pakistan Army maintained that about 200 people were armed and trained in Kohlu in which the Afghan and Indian government officials came deep into Pakistan and played a major role. These same sources said that apart from the 200 people, the main propelling force are the tribal chiefs like Nawab Akbar Bugti, Sardar Attaullah Khan Mengal and Nawab Khair Bux Marri who are instigating their tribes to revolt against the Pakistan Army. It is there perceptions, whether real or imagines, which have created grounds in the military minds for an operation in Balochistan.Sources say that such is the mindset that has developed that the Army thinks it can wipe out the insurgents once and for all as the terrain in Balochistan is not tough like South Wazirstan and tracking insurgents would not be a problem but the army cannot afford to open up so many fronts at once.Though major political leaders have not been arrested, including Nawab Khair Bux Marri, Attaullah Khan Mengal, former Chief Minister Akhtar Hussain Mengal but the Govt has, at the movement, abandoned its designs in the area and are pushing the arrested leaders to play their role to pacify the situation
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Old Jan 1st, 2006, 05:47 AM   #2
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Iran plays a major role behind the movement .






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Old Jan 1st, 2006, 07:45 AM   #3
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There would be no 'movement' by the Baloch people if they weren't abused and killed throughout their history by the Pak Army.






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Old Jan 1st, 2006, 08:38 AM   #4
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These bloody Indian-armed Sardars are getting the pounding of their lives now.

http://www.jang.com.pk/thenews/dec20...main/main3.htm

Govt ready to call Baloch Sardars’ bluff

"I - don’t - bargain." Hollywood leading man Tommy Lee Jones delivered this one-liner in his haltingly determined tone after he had just shot a hostage-taker in the head in the 1993 hit movie "Fugitive". Governments in Pakistan have not been so determined in not bargaining with Baloch tribal sardars in the past. Military action has invariably been followed by protracted negotiations - at least with Nawab Akbar Bugti - till the next confrontation erupts. Will this time be any different? High-level sources believe so. In the backdrop of renewed clashes between the Frontier Corps and armed men, called miscreants by the government, policymakers now say this time they will play it to the end. "Enough is enough," says a source who is in the know of things. He says this time the government is ready to take on the few sardars who are creating all the "mischief" in the name of Baloch nationalism. "They are now begging us to talk to them," he says. "But we will not negotiate." Another top official confided that the government had intercepted a satellite phone conversation of Nawab Bugti in which he was heard saying words to the effect: "They (government) have gone mad. They are breaking the tradition. We always talk after we fight. Why are they not talking?" The answer, according to sources, is that they have the key tribal leaders in a corner. They say the likes of Bugti, Marri and Mengal know that the noose is tightening around them, and this time there will be little reprieve through political negotiations. Such tough talk may be unsettling for some, but it portrays a single-mindedness within the government to deal firmly with the law and order situation in Balochistan. The urgency has been heightened after the rocket attack on a camp where President Pervez Musharraf was meeting local leaders. Then the commander of the FC and another senior officer were injured when their helicopter was hit by gunfire from the ground. The government now says it will not tolerate such lawlessness any further.

This is a tricky challenge. Every military action in Balochistan stirs up dark memories of the 1973 Baloch insurgency which the military battled for four years before crushing it. Those four years have left deep imprints on the psyche of the people of Balochistan. What has aggravated their wounds is the consistent neglect they have suffered from the centre. More than 58 years after independence, Balochistan remains the most backward province of the country. Schools, hospitals, roads, water, jobs - all these continue to be in short supply in a land famed for the richness of its natural resources. There is much that the people of Balochistan harbour genuine complaints about. These complaints are directed not at one, but all governments. There are very few people who can defend the federal governments’ attitude towards Balochistan, and even fewer who can claim that enough resources have been allocated for Balochistan. This accumulated reservoir of grievances has now become a combustible commodity in the province, making the job of the federal government even trickier.

But an insider argues that the government is aware of these sensitivities. He says a well-thought out approach can make a difference Such a difference, he says, is based on the recognition that lack of development and armed attacks are not directly linked. That’s why they are being dealt with separately. "We know development speaks for itself and empty words don’t," says the insider. "We know we must deliver to the people of Balochistan and that’s why the President has announced a package of Rs 1.4 billion for Kohlu-but we also know that we cannot allow the writ of the state to be challenged by miscreants who do not represent the people of Balochistan." So who are the miscreants? What is the Balochistan Liberation Army, known as BLA? According to official analysis they are a combination of hard-core followers of the sardars and criminal elements from the Punjab and Sindh. Their number, at the maximum, is not more than 2500, says a source. And that may be stretching it too, he says. Officials say they have reports that the financing of this armed activity is being done by Hyerbyer Marri. He is the brother of Balaj Marri and is a fugitive in Dubai after he was implicated in the murder of Justice Mohammad Nawaz Marri a few years ago. This money, say officials, is being used to buy arms as well as pay those who use them. One senior source said these people were paid Rs 4000 to Rs 6000 per month but now their salaries have gone up to Rs 15000 to Rs 20000. Then there is the question of foreign support to such groups. Conspiracy theories abound, but sources they have evidence that foreign intelligence agencies are meddling in Balochistan. But this remains a hush hush affair and it is unclear how the government plans to take up this issue with the concerned countries. What is clear however is that they the government is now going after the training camps of these armed groups (called Farari camps from the word farar. The word originated in the colonial times when Baloch tribesmen would hide from the British forces in such places as caves). A source said they had information about 53 camps, thirteen of which were in Marri area. All but few of these thirteen had been neutralized. In the Bugti area there are 13-15 camps which have not been touched while another 20-25 camps are dispersed across the area. This is clearly a lot of military activity. It has generated opposition within Balochistan and outside and resonated inside the parliament. India too issued a statement which was responded to harshly by Pakistan, raising concerns about its impact on the budding peace process. Officials say unless the influence of the few sardars and their off springs is not neutralized, Balochistan will never enjoy the fruits of development. They say Baloch nationalists have told them privately that they too want normalcy in the province -normalcy which can lead to major development works. They say these moderate elements within the province believe it is in their direct interest if the stranglehold of the few sardars is loosened so that they can emerge as the new leadership and move the province into the national mainstream. But publicly they cannot say this. "We are in touch with these people and they fully support our short term and long term goals, said an official. On Thursday, Interior Minister Aftab Sherpao again denied there was a full-scale military operation underway in the province. The same day high ups in the government said the Levies and the FC were involved in the operation and not troops of the army. They said the FC had been taken off its duties on the border and deployed for its original mandate - to ensure law and order. FC number a little more than 30,000 in Balochistan. Levies too were being imparted better training. But ultimately, it will not be the FC or the Levies which will produce a solution to the gnawing problem, officials admit. It will take patient politics, a big heart from Islamabad and a genuine process of development which could bring Balochistan on par with the other three provinces in all respects.






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Old Jan 1st, 2006, 09:00 AM   #5
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They have been 'pounded' for decades, yet they have not been defeated, admirable.






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Old Jan 1st, 2006, 09:08 AM   #6
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Shaheed Zulfikar Ali Bhutto (along with Bugti as CM) was doing a magnificent job in the 1970's kicking some sardar asses, and only your blessed Zia gave them some respite. But now these few Indian-armed sardars will be finished off, and the people of Balochistan will truly be free of them once and for all. It won't take long believe me.






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Old Jan 1st, 2006, 09:18 AM   #7
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But Pakistan army should be very cautious & shouldn't get over confident/over board...it's a very cynical game played by India/Now the Militant factions in Afghan govt that are against Pakistan & the prior Cold war Russian elements...Their main aim was destabilisation in a province of Pakistan that can give them access to Arabian Sea...The present day aim being to create an area in Pakistan that can divert pakistan's attentin from kashmir & make the pakistani army look bad in the eyes of common people,.......that's a simple reason the army should be very cautious in their approach...






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Old Jan 1st, 2006, 11:12 AM   #8
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it is easy to blame india for baluchi problem they are only 3% you can't improve their lives eventhough they contribute to pak. economy through their natural
gas resources?






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Old Jan 1st, 2006, 11:15 AM   #9
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It would not be easy to blame india..."if" india is "not" involved here...it's not only india...but also the pro-india,pro-russian backed afghanistan elements here...






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Old Jan 1st, 2006, 11:28 AM   #10
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Finally the RAW guys are earning their salaries, still it will take them a long time before they become as professionals as the ISI.






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Old Jan 1st, 2006, 11:35 AM   #11
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Finally the RAW guys are earning their salaries, still it will take them a long time before they become as professionals as the ISI.

both countries have internal sectarian,ethnic and caste conflicts independant
of each other and existed even before devision of sub-continant.






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Old Jan 1st, 2006, 11:51 AM   #12
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Finally the RAW guys are earning their salaries, still it will take them a long time before they become as professionals as the ISI.
So My dear Friend in Conflict,

You do agree that ISI is GOOD AT INFLITRATION where as RAW is NOT, now we know who to blame Kashmir Problem on.

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Old Jan 1st, 2006, 11:51 AM   #13
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both countries have internal sectarian,ethnic and caste conflicts independant
of each other and existed even before devision of sub-continant.
That may be so rvikz, but if RAW is involved, it is high time they did. ISI has cells all over India and are also using Dawood as a puppet and still can talk peace with India, so I guess we should do the same.






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Old Jan 1st, 2006, 11:51 AM   #14
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Let them eat cluster bombs for a few days. They'll get in line after that.







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Old Jan 1st, 2006, 11:55 AM   #15
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Aejaz, did you think that the camps in POK were young males in a summer camp. Dont ask me now 'Camps, what camps?'






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Old Jan 1st, 2006, 11:56 AM   #16
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Let them eat cluster bombs for a few days. They'll get in line after that.
Yes thats surely a sign of a Mad Scientist, just so you know after eating the cluster bombs for a few days, they will be in line to be buried and nothing else.

Nice Solution!!!!!

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Aejaz, did you think that the camps in POK were young males in a summer camp. Dont ask me now 'Camps, what camps?'

Aka Bhai,

Do you even know what sarcasm is, I was just trying to mimic your folly about Pakistan being the greatest, even in terrorism (ISI) but unfortunately you did not get it.

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Old Jan 1st, 2006, 09:42 PM   #18
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My bad, Aejaz






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Old Jan 1st, 2006, 11:44 PM   #19
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I'll reserve my sentiments on this story until I get an independent confirmation of these events. I heard some rumblong that Gov. of Pakistan denied any ongoing military action in Balochistan.






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Old Jan 2nd, 2006, 02:51 AM   #20
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Sardari rule coming to an end is inevitable. These are just minor resistance groups, and they won't last long - outside support or not.
Btw, I'm going to Gwadar in a few nights.







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