Tanhaa

http://www.atimes.com/c-asia/DA30Ag01.html


US military seeks deeper roots in Pakistan
By Nadeem Malik


[This message has been edited by sabah (edited January 30, 2002).]

TOMASSO

Are the negative aspects that bad? Could you
elaborate on the downside nature of the US
bases? Do you favor China over America?

andha_qanoon

Well whenver they enter any country they never leave it !!!!
Pakistan is just another edition to their list.

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Jiyo Aur Jeene Do!!!

Abdali

Not true, do a google on "Francis Gary Powers"

Tanhaa

Are the negative aspects that bad? Could you
elaborate on the downside nature of the US
bases? Do you favor China over America?

Tamosso Bhai, Down Side?? Yaar its been only 55 years, since the British left. Kya Gulaami ki addat abhi gayee nahi ??

Judge^MentuLL

i don't really have any problem with being an 'American colony'. It works both ways, as long as we get benefit out of it why dismiss it out of hand?

Two major issues need resolving:

1) There should be no interference with our nuclear defence capabilities.

2) Pakistan must ensure that we don't jeapordise our relationship with proven long-term allies like China. US committment has been found wanting in the past and even now, the F-16s which were paid for years ago still have not been delivered.

Some confidence building measures need to be undertaken.

AliBeta

Well the fact that US has never had military presence is not really true. During the cold war era, Bad a bare base is Peshawar was given to US soldiers and Spy plane flights were done over the Soviet Union all the time. I agree with what is mentioned above. There is nothing wrong with military presence in Pakistan if they dont interfere with the nuclear program and how how Pakistan is governed!

Abdali

Thats why I said do a google on "Francis Gary Powers"

ak47

Tomasso:

The downside of US bases is simple you have nothing but chaos when America interferes in any land.

And also china is more reliable than america, america go back on there words many times i would never trust anything that comes out of an american mouth!

TOMASSO

Sorry Tanhaa, I am not conversant in Urdu.
I can't answer the questions as posed, but
you can in at least two languages. This is an
example of a benefit of your interaction with
Britain, I believe. Good and bad, Britain was
a power that had much to offer. I speak as a
descendant of a rebel soldier against the
Red Coats. One of the original complaints of
the colonies was the forced boarding of the
British troops in private homes, here. I say
America got over that in time. Today, I hope
US prescence in Pakistan is on a much higher
level than that. As to your lethal, military
capablilty, it might be wise for consultation
in these matters, not overbearing control. If
Musharraf or a likeminded CIC does not lead
the country, is everyone comfortable with
that? I have similiar concerns with my own
government. The F16 deal, in todays light, is
in need of address. At the time of testing
and the coup, what did Paki's think? This was
not a stable occurance. An F16 can sneak in
low and deliver the nasty, can't it?

rvikz

nuke proliferation , nukes falling in to
rouge elements will keep united states
engaged in pakistan. pakistanis may say its all in safe hands but somebody must be there to verify. remember reagan famous saying trust but verify.

FreeMind

as long as there is a dictator in any country welcoming USA on its land (like his father's land), American wil not leave that place.

Look at SA. majority of saudis want Americans to go. But Saudi dictatros want Americans to safedguward their backs from Saddam type ppl, and Americans r happy to sit there, even if theor own women have to cover themselves like taliban controlled Afghan women.

Tanhaa

Tomasso Brother . All I said was.

That We were ruled by the British upto 1947, just 55 year ago. It seems that we still prefer slavery to freedom. So , If someone feeds you and give you some spending money, its quite acceptable to be bossed around?

That is the down side. Though Im an ex Indian, but I love Pakistan as my country too and it hurts to sell our soul for material stuff.

2bornot2b

I wonder if they will give each Pakistani $70K per annum just like they give the Israelis?

kabir

where ever usa has or had bases it has started a new breed of people mix children
vietnameese americans
japaneese americans
korean americans
now we will have pakistani americans

TOMASSO

Of course, I don't know what the situation is
on the ground in either India or Pakistan, I
am surprised that you feel some there are not
free and in slavery. If you are of the opinion that your culture will suffer from
material pursuits, then I would suggest buck-
ing up the culture. If it was lost, that
would be a tragedy. This is why I support
India to an extent. I don't agree with poly-
theism, but I do appreciate the preservation
of culture. These terrorists could threaten
all the governments in the region. America
has the ability to curtail this and needs to
help out in the region. Is there a possibilty
the US could do this in a way acceptable to
the majority of Paki's and Indians? I hope
this balance can be struck. I came to this
post, not because it is American, but for the
fact that it isn't. Good day and best wishes!

Andhra

TOMASSO speaking as an Indian I don't want any outsider presence in India even Russian
However I realize Americans are in the neighbourhood to protect their interests and I think India should cooperate with them so long as it doesn't affect our interests.
As for the culture crap frankly I don't care. If our culture and values are so weak they won't survive anyway, wheather Americans stay in America or in India.

Spock

President Musharraf can order the Americans to leave anytime he wants, a fact evident by history...

"Ayub Khan orders the Americans to leave Baddaber Base"

The Americans complied at that time, and will do so this time.

As for our nukes, they are in safe hands just like in the past; everyone in Pak knows that these fanatics have no real power compared to the might of the Pak Army. Only mindless Indian idiots will shed fear over the possibility of them nukes fallin into the hands of fanatics.

OldLahori

Pragmatically, USA is going to stick around for the forseeable future. Perhaps the Pak military can negotiate a good deal so we don't have to pay 30% of the budget for its upkeep. Tanhaa, those who could afford the Azad air have already left for the shores of Canada, USA, Australia, etc. Perhaps it is not such a bad deal for those of us who have to go back to make a living there and who do not have someone close in the Military High ups.

Sultan Toora

If US would pressure India to secede kashmir, give tons of aid to pakistan in billions, forgo all sanctions, create an immense market for pakistani goods etc...then go ahead give em bases. Musharraf has given so many b*js whats one more? in that even i wont mind being honest. musharraf's whoring thus far hasnt brought us much yet. If he can muster up some courage and ask US for all that stuff and US says yes, than atleast we'll know that whoring has brought in capital and benefits.