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Old Feb 2nd, 2007, 05:26 PM   #1 (permalink)  
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Corruption complaint against CJ’s son filed
From our correspondent

31 January 2007



ISLAMABAD — A High court lawyer Abdul Waqeel Minhas has lodged a complaint with the National Accountability Bureau (NAB) accusing Dr Arsalan Iftikhar Chaudhry, son of Chief Justice Iftikhar Mohammad Chaudhry, of corruption and abuse of power to seek senior position in police service.


Minhas asked the NAB chairman to order an inquiry under articles 27, 25 and 178 of the Constitution and NAB laws.

The plaintiff says that Dr Arsalan, using his influential position, went to the Federal Investigation Agency on deputation and later joined the police as an ASP, though he was only a doctor.

He reportedly gave CSS examinations twice but failed, getting only 16 out of 100 marks in English.

A case against Dr Arsalan is also pending in the Balochistan High Court.

http://www.khaleejtimes.com/DisplayA...anuary1115.xml

I thought this guy was honest he made some good decisions though hope these are only accusations otherwise bad news for our judiciary.






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Old Feb 2nd, 2007, 05:30 PM   #2 (permalink)  
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^ Why are you using the son's character to judge his father? Maybe the abba jee (CJ) had nothing to do with this?






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Old Feb 3rd, 2007, 04:12 AM   #3 (permalink)  
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Some people cant digust honesty and dedication at the top level, it is alien for them.

Chief Justice of Pakistan has done wonders for Pakistan Judiciary. He moped the face clean of inefficiency and lathargy. The superior courts are working at swift pace now and taking various dept to task for their inefficiency and corruption.

God bless him and may he come out clean. We need more people llike him







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It speaks volumes that a lawyer has been able to file a case the son of the chief justice. In era gone by this would not have been allowed. From ransacking of supereme court by goondas of an elected PM to this has to be progress. May it long continue.






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It speaks volumes that a lawyer has been able to file a case the son of the chief justice. In era gone by this would not have been allowed. From ransacking of supereme court by goondas of an elected PM to this has to be progress. May it long continue.
Well said.

Apart from the splendid work he has done to clean up the judicial progress, and clear massive case backlogs; he has also taken the government to task for alleged misdeeds i.e. stopped the PSM privitization, and people detained in custody etc. He has been the most active SC Chief Justice for many, many decades, and he is building what we have crucially lacked - an independent judiciary.






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Old Feb 3rd, 2007, 11:07 AM   #6 (permalink)  
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"Isay kahtay hain charagh talay andhera"

Had he son of 'chamaar' I wonder he could manipulate government to his illegal and immoral desires into practice. Instead of this lawyer, the CJ should have taken suo moto action against his son.

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Old Feb 3rd, 2007, 11:30 AM   #7 (permalink)  
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So farid and all you other anti-pak/gov whiners, where does it state that the father approved of his sons actions (if they are indeed proven to be corrupt), or whether he assisted him? Actually its more like 'baat ka batangar banana koi aap sey seekhey', you guys are so hell bent on your 'tanz' and negativity about Pakistan just because the people in power are the ones you hate, that you devoid yourself of any rationality whatsoever, similar to the fact that you were once crying about how Islamabad was made the capital by a Punjabi General. I dont know whether to laugh at you, or worry about your mental state. I wonder what happened to the people who would protest like this during the Bhutto regime like this, I can assure you they'll end up dead if they would have dared to file cases against anyone influential's puttars unlike today? From what I have heard, this CJ has done a good job, and I am sure it pains you to see any progress in the judiciary just because its happening during the Mush regime.






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I just said that i hope this whole allegation proves wrong.guys why do you consider anyone who is against the govt as anti pakistan.There is a clear distinction between anti national and anti government.

This government certainly has some achievements like free media etc but there are few areas where there is room for improvemnet.I can list many areas here but it wont relete to this thread






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Spock,

Why you defend this illegal and immoral act? Read my post again, had he son of poor person, could he become FIA or ASP without going though proper channel? Answer this and then I would answer your idiotic remark on patriotism!!


Recently when DAG, his brother, nephew and three other people were butchered in day light in Lahore, CJ warned IG and CM Punjab that if killers were not arrested, he would freeze salaries of police officers and budget of Punjab Government. Don’t you think it is a reaction?

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Like I said, first wait till any charges against this guy are proven, and then a connection is drawn out between him and his father's influential position, and then if he is handed a punishment, well and good, so dont jump to silly conclusions, and oh yeah, you dodged my question, what you said can be applied to the corrupt Bhutto regime too, the only difference is, now we get to see some action taken, unlike offing those who try and do something about it.






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So farid and all you other anti-pak/gov whiners, where does it state that the father approved of his sons actions (if they are indeed proven to be corrupt), or whether he assisted him? Actually its more like 'baat ka batangar banana koi aap sey seekhey', you guys are so hell bent on your 'tanz' and negativity about Pakistan just because the people in power are the ones you hate, that you devoid yourself of any rationality whatsoever, similar to the fact that you were once crying about how Islamabad was made the capital by a Punjabi General. I dont know whether to laugh at you, or worry about your mental state. I wonder what happened to the people who would protest like this during the Bhutto regime like this, I can assure you they'll end up dead if they would have dared to file cases against anyone influential's puttars unlike today? From what I have heard, this CJ has done a good job, and I am sure it pains you to see any progress in the judiciary just because its happening during the Mush regime.
Well said Spock.

We must never forget how previous governments have intimidated, undermined and attacked previous SC Chiefs because they tried to exercise their independence. It was Nawaz Sharif who personally lambasted CJ Sajjad Ali Shah on the floor of the National Assembly in 1997 - in violation of the constitution. That because Sajjad was challenging Nawaz's moves to create a parrallel judiciary that undermined the Supreme Court supreme authority. After months of villification of the CJ, Nawaz's goondas attacked the Supreme Court itself and forced the overthrew the Chief Justice himself, which not even Pakistan's previous rulers - democrats or dictators ever did. A truly shameful act by a Pakistani leader in our 60-year history.

This government has done some things wrong, but all Pakistani's must appreciate how they have let the judiciary become more and more independent. As I have said this very Chief Justice has passed historic judgements striking down key decisions of this government, hence it is clearly performing it's role of being a check on the excesses of the Executive. Let us applaud that, and encourage more of it, rather than personally attacking a man because of the alleged misdeeds of some of his aulad.






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Spock,

"you dodged my question, what you said can be applied to the corrupt Bhutto regime too,"

ZAB might have other drawbacks but he was not corrupt. Zia ul Haq as# breaking effort failed to bring one single corruption case against him. BTW ZAB period of ruling was much superior than this pesent as*% cleaning by present rulers.


I don't know how in the hell some one without powerful backing could maneuvere such a thing.

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oh yeah killing people doesnt make him corrupt? I liked ZAB too, but the fact remains, he too was corrupt, and he killed anyone who dared oppose him, and you act like that stuff happens only under the leadership of the people you hate (mush etc), but it happened under your great leaders times too. Atleast now they are held accountable though.






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How come the father did not report it himself, being the CJ? or did he not know his son has failed but stillgot into some govt posts? I am all for waiting for investigation etc but in this case can anyone explain why the CJ did not act?

If justices tolerate this sort of thing why would we expect politicians or common people live within the law?

The CJ should quit unless he is able to prove he did not know of his son's actions - whether he directly helped him or not.






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Nonsense. give link or proof, for his corruption or killing cases.

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^ Are you talking about Bhutto? If so, none of you PPP jiyalaz will ever believe he was corrupt, or he killed people. May I also remind you that it was his attitude of taking down anyone who disagreed with him that ultimately resulted in his ouster and eventually his death? He might have been a good leader overall and in comparison, but he was corrupt and he did order the killing of certain people, and there are alot of 'links' available about his involvement in them, but the question is, would a jiyala ever consider them? No.






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How come the father did not report it himself, being the CJ? or did he not know his son has failed but stillgot into some govt posts? I am all for waiting for investigation etc but in this case can anyone explain why the CJ did not act?

If justices tolerate this sort of thing why would we expect politicians or common people live within the law?

The CJ should quit unless he is able to prove he did not know of his son's actions - whether he directly helped him or not.
The CJs job is not to go around parading streets like a superhero and report crimes, its his job to carry out a just ruling to the cases submitted to his court. If this case had come to him, and he had issued a verdict that was unfair, then we have something to talk about.






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^ Don't you think a Chief Justice ought to be held to significantly higher standard when it comes to upholding the law? He is also in breach of not only his professional ethics but a legal requirement as well - when somebody becomes a lawyer and admtted to bar they are signing up to report and uphold. Thi sgentleman is not a mere lawyer but a judge...a CJ no less.

If he knew his son's record he should have been the first one to report it - he is required to do so under law.






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^ Don't you think a Chief Justice ought to be held to significantly higher standard when it comes to upholding the law? He is also in breach of not only his professional ethics but a legal requirement as well - when somebody becomes a lawyer and admtted to bar they are signing up to report and uphold. Thi sgentleman is not a mere lawyer but a judge...a CJ no less.

If he knew his son's record he should have been the first one to report it - he is required to do so under law.

IF being the operative word.







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^ ofcourse it is. If he wasn't aware of his son's job or non-qualifications thereof. How likely is that? Sad indeed, how much we 'accept and accept' until eggregous acts don't seem so.






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