Spock

Who is Saeed-uz-Zaman Siddiqui?

Islamabad, Aug 25: Saeeduzzaman Siddiqui is a respected judicial figure of Pakistan who defied the orders of Pervez Musharraf after he took over the Government reins in 1999.

Being the Chief Justice of Pakistan since 1999, he was asked by Law Minister and Legal Advisor Pirzada to take a new oath under the Provisional Constitutional Order (PCO) saying that "taking oath under the PCO, in my opinion, will be a deviation from the oath I had taken to defend the constitution of 1973". As a consequence of this he was forced to step down from his position.

Immediately after he defied the above order that would have legitimised Musharraf’s position, Siddiqui and his family were placed under house arrest. He became a symbol for pro-democracy forces in Pakistan to garner support against Musharraf.

Justice Saeeduzzaman has been the member of the Bar since 1961 and was appointed as the Chief Justice of Pakistan in 1999 and had to vacate his post in 2005 when his tenure was cut short by Musharraf. He is also the nominee judge for the International Court of Justice (ICJ) at Hague, from Pakistan.

He has today been nominated by PML(N) chief Nawaz Sharif for the post of President of Pakistan, the elections for which are scheduled on September 6.

ehtasab

These are the judges IMO worth restoring! Someone who has prinicples!

Who was the CJ when PML-N trampled SC?

Spock

Sajjad Ali Shah

Sa1eem

Laddu kay lalach may daal bhie gayee ... lagtaa hay kay soon we would say: ‘Prime Minister of Pakistan honay kee lalach may Chief Ministry of Punjab bhie gayee’. What I am hearing is that, Karachi Central Jail is getting a clean-up job (clean-up job is also going on at Adila jail). As things are developing, we might hear proverb ‘Saudi Arabia kay mahal say giray aur Karachi Jail may Phansay’ ... where all what happened to Zardari in Prison could get repeated on person responsible of Zardari miseries.

Spock

Saleem Bhai, kya patah woh missing 175 seats wahaan jail me shift kar di hoon?

Sa1eem

Spock Bhai, aap her baat ko joke samjhtay hou, and it seems that you think I am siding with one political group or another, though I write what I think is true (to my understnading and belief). I am no fan of Zardari or Nawaz.

Actually, I have written about corruption of Zardari on this forum more than Nawaz, even though to me, as far as corruption goes, they are two side of same coin. Only difference is that, other than being crook, Nawaz is also a blatant Liar with pea size brain, who is guilty of worse kind of nepotism. As for Zardari, he is crook as much as Nawaz, but other than being a crook, Zardari is cleaver and do not speak blatant lies. Zardari also do not have that negative tendency of nepotism, a trait that infects Pakistani society to its core and harm Pakistani society most, more than lies and corruption.

Nevertheless, what I have written above in this thread and throughout the forum is nothing to do with what I like or dislike, as what one likes or dislikes does not change realities. Regardless of what one likes it or not, reality to me is that last election showed that 'Zardari the crook' has more popularity in Pakistan than 'Nawaz the crook' and is politically a much stronger candidate for any post than any Pakistani politician. Nawaz is a regional politician with support around North Punjab, whereas Zardari is National politician with support all over Pakistan (in all 4 provinces and Azad Kashmir).

Further, we all know that Nawaz and his goons tormented Zardari and PPP leaders more than anyone, taking them as their personal enemies (well, Nawaz tries to torment all who dare to stand in his way without realising that his opponents could also get upper hand and all of them are not like Musharraf who left Nawaz alive even when he could have got him hanged). Knowing that, I believe if Zardari would get chance (something he has got these days), he would surely going to take his revenge with Nawaz and would not let him live in peace.

Actually, it would surprise me if Zardari leaves Nawaz to live in peace, as I do not expect such forgiving character from Zardari, or any politician who is also a Pakistani tribal leader (Zardari is politician as well as tribal leader). Nawaz is like a snake and it is well known fact that if one leaves snake today than snake would bite the person tomorrow, and that is what Nawaz did to President Musharraf, something Zardari has seen too. There is a proverb: Qatlan Muzi Qablan Eza, and if Zardari is not going to finish such Muzi as Nawaz, it is obvious that Nawaz would give eza to Zardari in future, and Zardari is not fool not to know that. I also know that Zardari is not fool that he would not know that, and that is why I expect and write the same.

ehtasab

Faryal Talpur is Nawaz Sharif's sister. Zardari didn't usurp PPP's leadership. Zardari does not back away from agreements saying "agreements are not Quran or Hadith". Zardari didn't plant shoe-bomb on an investor. Benazir's brother's (Murtaza?) murder has nothing to do with Zardari.

Oh bhai mian, both Nawaz and Zardari are one and same thing, their methods might be different, Nawaz has probably less blood on hand than Zardari.

Sa1eem

Faryal and her husband, both are MNAs, and none of the two are in politics because of Zardari. Even though both are in PPP, Faryal neither her husband have any top position in PPP or have any ministries. Now, apart of Faryal, Zardari has other sisters too, none are prominent members of PPP even though their father Hakim Ali Zardari was close to Bhutto and is sardar of his Zardari tribe.

It is not same as Nawaz, because of whose nepotism every member of his family is in party and gave them top positions plus ministries. His father was defacto Prime Minister of Pakistan and defacto Chief Minister of Punjab when he was alive and NS was Prime Minister and SS was chief minister of Punjab. Rafiq Tarar became President just because he was friend of Nawaz daddy.

As for Zardari crimes, no one denied that he and Nawaz, both have criminal mentality.

Spock

^ What are your thoughs about Altaf Bhai again? Since you so actively gave me a big lecture about Ganja Thug, now lets hear your views on Altaf Hussain, with the same enthusiasm in terms of posting paras and paras.

ehtasab

How many kids does Nawaz have? What positions were they holding in govt? What about any seats now? Any seat in PML-N itself?

Spock

Didnt Musharraf appoint his bhanja as the ISI chief?

Sa1eem

In past, Nawaz goons use to torture Zardari in the name of corruption (Nawaz goons also tried to kill Zardari in prison) ... now it seems that table has turned and it is time for Zardari to payback in same currency. I do not know but from the news, this is what it looks like.

DAWN 2nd Sept 2008
http://www.dawn.net/wps/wcm/connect/Dawn%2...pen+nawaz+cases
NAB may reopen Nawaz cases
Tuesday, 02 Sep, 2008 | 16:35 PKT

ISLAMABAD: Prosecutors said on Tuesday that they are pressing ahead with corruption cases against opposition leader Nawaz Sharif, a move his lawyer called politically motivated as the presidential race grew increasingly testy.

Zulfiqar Ahmed Bhutta, a top prosecutor with the National Accountability Bureau, confirmed on Tuesday that it moved late last month to challenge a court decision to indefinitely adjourn a set of cases against Sharif, also a former prime minister.

The cases stretch back years, and their accusations against Sharif include money laundering, loan defaults and accumulation of wealth beyond his known sources of income.

"It appears to be aimed at using the accountability courts against Nawaz Sharif," said the opposition leader's lawyer, Khwaja Haris. "It appears to be used for political ends."

Zardari has garnered the support of several political factions and parties in recent days, making him a virtual lock for the presidency. His party aides are calling him the "consensus candidate," even though Sharif's party, the second largest, opposes him.

Information Minister Sherry Rehman, a top Zardari party member, insisted on Tuesday there was no need to "put any pressure" on Sharif's party in the race.

Asif Ali Zardari, head of the main ruling party and widower of slain ex-premier Benazir Bhutto, is expected to capture lawmakers' votes for president on Saturday. Sharif's party is fielding a retired judge as its candidate.

ehtasab

^ time for payback, history repeats itself one crook prosecuting the other.

Sa1eem

In past, Nawaz started many cases against all their political opponents including PPP leaderships and workers. Similarly PPP (BeNazir) started cases against all their political opponents including PMLN leaderships and workers. Both parties were corrupt to the core still started cases against opponents with intention of victimising. Some cases really had substance and some were just fabrications, but purpose was to victimise or blackmail the opponents and keep the cases lingering.

Fortunately, Musharraf government did not start cases to victimise or blackmail opponents. Thus, there were very few cases against PPP leaderships or workers as well as PMLN leaderships or workers (except Nawaz and his family ... all of those cases had substance). Nevertheless, Musharraf government did pursue past selective cases of corruption that had substance. When NRO (National Reconciliation Ordinance) was issued, all cases registered before Nov 1999 (when Musharraf took over) got closed, that includes cases against Zardari as well as Nawaz (that was started by BB second government). Anyhow, cases that were registered after Musharraf took over in Nov 1999 are not covered by NRO. Now, PPP government has moved NAB against Nawaz on corruption cases that were started during Musharraf time, with references in July 2000, and thus are not included in NRO. These cases were made dormant after Nawaz and his family were sent to Saudi Arabia.
These are the three references that were made dormant by Musharraf after Nawaz was sent to Saudi Arabia.
It is very appropriate move by Zardari as at least some corruption cases of one mega past corrupt and his family would be dealt with and hopefully they (Nawaz and his family) would get punished. Unfortunately, sometime I feel that starting of these cases are just for political purpose, to harass and blackmail Nawaz. I hope that this is not the case and it is my wish that court orders confiscation of all assets that Nawaz and his family accumulated from corruption. Please pray for the sake of Pakistan that NAB do come with positive verdicts and Pakistan gets back some of the looted wealth of poor this crook (Nawaz) has robbed.

NAB move to reopen Sharifs’ graft cases -DAWN - Top Stories; September 03, 2008
NAB move to reopen Sharifs’ graft cases
By Our Reporter

RAWALPINDI, Sept 2: The National Accountability Bureau filed on Tuesday an application in the court of special judge central seeking to reopen three corruption references against former prime minister Nawaz Sharif and members of his family.

The petition filed by NAB prosecutor general Danishwar Malik in the court of Shaukat Ali Sajid in the absence of all the four judges of accountability courts sought review of an order passed by accountability court judge Khalid Mehmood last month about adjournment of the three references -- Hudaibia Paper Mills, Ittefaq Foundry and Raiwind assets -- for an indefinite period.

The court fixed September 4 for initial hearing.

The prosecutor general stated that the Aug 21 order of the accountability court was based on an observation that the earlier submission of the NAB for reopening the cases in August last year had not been signed by the bureau chairman.

He argued that the previous submission had been made by deputy prosecutor general as a competent authority and the point that it had not been signed by the NAB chairman was not relevant. He said the bureau wanted to reopen the proceedings against the accused.

The corruption references had been filed by NAB chairman on July 15, 2000.

In the Hudaibia Paper Mills reference, the accused are: Nawaz Sharif, Shahbaz Sharif, Abbas Sharif, Hussain Nawaz, Hamza Shahbaz, Haroon Pasha and Senator Ishaq Dar. They were charged with securing a huge amount as loan and later using it for other purposes, causing huge losses to the national exchequer.

In the Ittefaq Foundry reference, Nawaz Sharif, Abbas Sharif, Mukhtar Hassan, Kamal Qureshi and a couple of other persons were accused of securing big loans and abusing them.

In the assets reference, the accused included Nawaz Sharif, Shahbaz Sharif, their late father Mian Sharif, mother Shamim Akhtar and other family members. They were charged with accumulating money and assets beyond their declared means of income.

AP adds: PML-N leader’s lawyer Khwaja Haris said that the move appeared “to be aimed at using the accountability courts against Nawaz Sharif”.

PML-N leader Ahsan Iqbal said that pursuing the cases smacked of “political bankruptcy”.

“Sometimes, if you cannot get things done politically, then you try to blackmail the opposition,” he told DawnNews TV.

ehtasab

^ Dude, wait till Zardari comes up with his own NRO and then you'll be asking for "logical reasons" what Zardari got as "deal"

Spock

I see, and what about the millions of dollars spent to pursue cases against Zardari from 99 onwards? What about the hogwash cases against people like Gillani, Hashmi, and even his soon to be chamcha Mushahid Hussain? Some of these people held their ground for years, until they were set free by the independent judiciary, and some of the not so stronger ones, like Mushahid bowed and kissed Musharrafs feet. Musharraf didnt even need cases to imprison people. Imran Khan spent a great amount of time in jail without any charges. Please dont portray this horrific dictatorship as some kind of ras malayi.

Sa1eem

Democracy is very cruel. I won't be surprised if PMLN would be out of Punjab government soon. It is possible that we might see chief minister of Punjab from PMLQ with most ministries in the hand of PPP, or chief Minister of PPP with number of ministries in the hand of PMLQ.

Sa1eem