I insist. Please provide reference from the Quran forbidding humans not to curse the same treatment for the daughters / sisters of the cruel as he/she made others' daughters suffered. I would really appreciate that.
If this is off topic here, please provide in a seperate thread in religion forum. If I know it, perhaps, I can spread it further to people who do the same.
Thanks.
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Originally Posted by Faisal
You can curse all you want those who committed such cruelty. Ask for punishment for those. Don't involve their family members who have no part in this whole episode.
Why did you edit your post? I believe the original was something along the lines of punishment for the daughters / sisters of those cruel animals?
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Originally Posted by aminas
Extremely heart breaking, her older sister was having press confrence with senator Iqbal haider this morning and I had tears in my eyes when she was telling the whole thing--How can someone sell the daughters of a country for some dollars, I hope and pray everyone who have been involved in this get the same treatment that she is been getting for last 5 years
I insist. Please provide reference from the Quran forbidding humans not to curse the same treatment for the daughters / sisters of the cruel as he/she made others' daughters suffered. I would really appreciate that.
If this is off topic here, please provide in a seperate thread in religion forum. If I know it, perhaps, I can spread it further to people who do the same.
Thanks.
I think there is a verse which means that no father shall be punished for crimes of his son (children) and vice versa.
It is quite possible that she may have been in hiding with the rest of AlQaeda all these years. Afterall she had been exposed as an AlQaeda agent and a KSM family member. Given that her three young children also disappeared with her, it seems plausible that she went into hiding herself. Security agencies are not equipped to handle toddlers and dont arrest toddlers.
Don't you find anything "fishy" in the para from one of the posts above:
Pakistan demands access to al Qaeda suspect in U.S.
By Aftab Borka
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Afghan police arrested Siddiqui after becoming suspicious of her behaviour outside the provincial governor's compound in the city of Ghazni on July 17, the U.S. Department of Justice said.
Police found documents describing bomb-making and excerpts from the book, Anarchist's Arsenal, as well as papers describing U.S. landmarks and substances sealed in bottles and jars.
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Here we are talking about a supposedly "AlQaida" terrorists who ran away with 3 kids to Afghanistan to hide from authorities and here we find a "police" report saying she was arrested after her suspicious behavior outside governor compound, she was also going around with bomb-making documents, papers describing US landmarks, isn't that all way too much convenient? Its like Pakistani police pulling out a gun and charas packet from the possession of innocent most citizen.
For those of you who are in Pakistan, you can join hands at least by participating in the protests.
There was one protest yesterday in front of parliament house Islamabad. There'll be a protest in Lahore in front of Lahore Press Club tomorrow, i.e. August 9th 2008 at 6:00 PM.
I was actually thinking that it is possible that she was never arrested in the first place. She was part of KSM's family after marrying his nephew and her role as an AlQaeda agent was exposed. It makes sense for her to not contact her family while she was in hiding. OTOH, it is possible that she may have managed to escaped after getting arrested but I have not read anyhting to imply that.
As it stands today she is innocent....unless she has been tried in front of an impartial jury....given a fair chance to defend herself....and is proven guilty beyond any shadow of doubt...and jury pronounces a verdict against her....this is the way it should be done in a civilised society if she is really guilty of any terrorrsm or some illegal activity against anyone....until then she is innocent...and as it stands today she and her children are victim of state terrorism and kidnapping....they disappeared in 2003 and then interior minister Faisal Saleh Hayat admitted she was in state custody....she was never produced in any court of law during all these years....neither was she declared an absconder if she managed to escape state custody....suddenly she appeared in New York and was produced in a court of law there....with a most absurd story that she is an Al Qaeda operative who was trying to make bombs in Afghanistan and attacked American military investigators in Afghanistan....I'll find myself in real trouble if I am an attorney defending American government in this case...
Musharraf already admitted in his book that they have kidnapped people illegally and handed them over to Americans....with this admission he has admitted two crimes....one kidnapping people....two illegal abuse of his powers as Pakistan's president...his book should be taken as self confession and he should be tried for these crimes.....
As it stands today she is innocent....unless she has been tried in front of an impartial jury....given a fair chance to defend herself....and is proven guilty beyond any shadow of doubt...and jury pronounces a verdict against her....this is the way it should be done in a civilised society if she is really guilty of any terrorrsm or some illegal activity against anyone....until then she is innocent...and as it stands today she and her children are victim of state terrorism and kidnapping....they disappeared in 2003 and then interior minister Faisal Saleh Hayat admitted she was in state custody....she was never produced in any court of law during all these years....neither was she declared an absconder if she managed to escape state custody....suddenly she appeared in New York and was produced in a court of law there....with a most absurd story that she is an Al Qaeda operative who was trying to make bombs in Afghanistan and attacked American military investigators in Afghanistan....I'll find myself in real trouble if I am an attorney defending American government in this case...
Musharraf already admitted in his book that they have kidnapped people illegally and handed them over to Americans....with this admission he has admitted two crimes....one kidnapping people....two illegal abuse of his powers as Pakistan's president...his book should be taken as self confession and he should be tried for these crimes.....
It has been several days now since she has been in US civil custody and have access to an attorney. She has also spoken to the Pakistani consular and have made several demands regarding Halal meals, prayer times and other rights. However, neither she nor her lawyer have said anything about her time since her disappearance, even when asked by reporters about it. Her lawyers have questioned the story of her attacking the soldiers as implausible but have not made any claims about the period since 2003. Let's wait and see if anything more comes out but at the moment one can not say for certain that she had been in Pakistan or US custody all this time. Could you post a reference to Faisal Saleh Hayat admitting to her arrest by Pakistan agencies?
I wish the Real World would just stop Hassling me.
Musharraf’s son accused of pocketing bounty for Dr Aafia
Sunday, August 10, 2008
By Usman Manzoor
ISLAMABAD: Another debate has erupted after Barrister Iqbal Jafferi’s petition in the Islamabad High Court in which he has submitted that a huge amount of bounty money was received for handing over Dr Aafia Siddiqui to the US Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI).
Barrister Jafferi, in his petition filed on August 8, has accused President Pervez Musharraf’s son, Bilal Musharraf, of taking the bounty money that the FBI had announced for the head of Dr Aafia Siddiqui.
The petition was filed to ask the court to direct the government to get Aafia back from the Americans and if the Pakistani doctor was guilty then she must be put on trial in Pakistan.
Meanwhile, a lawyer from the USA who knows Dr Aafia since her university days, told this correspondent on condition of anonymity that a huge sum of money was pocketed while handing over the FBI-wanted Dr Aafia Siddiqui to the US forces. She said that it was not known who collected that reward money from the FBI but someone gathered dollars for Dr Aafia Siddiqui.
She said that though the charges against Dr Aafia were ‘rubbish’ but the Americans would never let her go. “We have the examples of Aimal Kansi and an Italian underworld don after whose execution Italy stopped extraditing prisoners to the USA,” said the American lawyer adding, “Aafia has been put in a New York jail; was produced before a judge in New York and would be heard before a judge in New York while the public sentiment in New York was so anti-Aafia that the dailies have started calling Aafia a suicide bomber.”
She said that under such circumstances it was not possible to conduct a fair trial and the government in Pakistan must tell the US government to extradite its citizen to her homeland. The lawyer from the USA said that the issue was not of the innocence of Dr Aafia but in fact a trial could not be fair in New York.
Dr Fauzia Siddiqui, the sister of Dr Aafia Siddiqui, while talking to The News said that she would not blame anyone for what has happened to her sister. “From me and my family, we do not blame any Muslim for what has been happening to our sister for the last five years; Our Allah will take revenge for us,” said the weeping lady adding, “The government had been in contact with us during the last five years and has been saying that Dr Aafia would be back in a few days.” She said that the government had been informing the aggrieved family that Dr Aafia was fine with her three children but the way she appeared in the court in New York has shaken the entire ill-fated family. “Now we have been told that all the three children were fine but looking at Aafia’s condition we fear that the children might be in danger,” said the sister of Dr Aafia.
She said that the way the whole nation has supported them, especially the media, and she had become more proud of being a Pakistani. “It is immaterial who handed over Aafia to the FBI but I am proud of being a Pakistani after looking at the support from the civil society and the media and my heart wishes that I should go out and shout at the top of my voice that I am a proud Pakistani, a nation which has stood by its daughter.”
She said that she did not know if anyone has taken the bounty money for Dr Aafia and would not point fingers at anyone. “What I want is to bring Aafia back to Pakistan and I beg the media and the government to do something for Aafia and bring her back,” Dr Fauzia Siddiqui said adding, “the Americans would send her to jail for 40 years then what would we do? Aafia was not a green card holder then why she was being tried in New York?”
Meanwhile, Amna Masood Janjua, the lady representing the heirs of missing persons in Pakistan, said that Musharraf has taken money for handing over innocent Pakistanis to American forces and he has admitted it in his book too. She said that the government should stand up for the daughter of the soil and bring Aafia back to Pakistan.
Barrister Iqbal Jafferi, who is 70 years old and suffers from prostate cancer, was not available for comments.
“As long as I have any choice, I will stay only in a country where political liberty, toleration, and equality of all citizens before the law are the rule.” Albert Einstein
She said that under such circumstances it was not possible to conduct a fair trial and the government in Pakistan must tell the US government to extradite its citizen to her homeland. The lawyer from the USA said that the issue was not of the innocence of Dr Aafia but in fact a trial could not be fair in New York.
What kind of la-la land does this unnamed and faceless US lawyer lives? "Pakistan government must tell the US government to extradite its citizen to her homeland"? Yeah, right.. and pigs shall fly. Sheesh!!
"Let your friends underestimate your virtues. Let your enemies overestimate your faults." - Godfather.
She and her lawyers are still mum about her time since 2003.
"[SIZE=4]Aafia’s lawyers surprised many by not seeking bail[/SIZE]
[SIZE=3]By Masood Haider[/SIZE]
NEW YORK, Aug 12: That the lawyers representing Aafia Siddiqui, a Pakistani neuroscientist accused of attempting to kill an American soldier while in US custody in Afghanistan, did not seek her immediate release on bail by a New York Federal Court on Monday surprised most people here.
Instead of seeking bail, the lawyers asked the court to order immediate medical treatment for Ms Siddiqui who was in pain and suffering from injuries.
“She needs to be taken out of custody and put in a hospital. She’s been here... for one week and hasn’t seen a doctor,” Elizabeth Fink, her court appointed lawyer, said.
Highly informed sources here told Dawn that the defence lawyers had been told by the prosecuting US attorney’s office that the bail amount would be ‘huge and prohibitive’.
“Let me just say no amount of bail money would satisfy the US authorities who are convinced of Aafia’s Siddiqui’s guilt and have proof about her involvement in the Al Qaeda terror network and other illegal activities,” one officials here said on condition of anonymity.
Asked as to why she did not ask Magistrate Judge Robert Pitman to set her bail, Ms Fink who made an impassioned appeal for her immediate release last week, hedged the question suggesting “there was more to it than meets the eye”.
Ms Elaine Sharp, the Boston attorney hired by her family years ago similarly evaded the question when asked by a battery of reporters why the defence team did not press for Ms Siddiqui’s bail. “What’s the point of bail”, she said, adding her medical treatment was now the priority.
Ms Fink decried that her client had not received proper medical care since being shot in the alleged incident on July 18.
Ms Sharp said her client was a physical wreck following both the shooting and a five-year period of her disappearance. “She has gunshot wounds to the abdomen – we are not sure how many – and a long line of stitches from her breast plate to her belly button. She understands she lost part of her intestines. Digestion is an issue. She’s reporting bleeding.”
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^ I believe if she is treated while in custody then the govt will pay for the treatment, while if she is bailed out (cost of which is prohibitively huge as per article) then they will have to get the treatment on their own, just my thought.
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Originally Posted by Ajju
She and her lawyers are still mum about her time since 2003.
^ I believe if she is treated while in custody then the govt will pay for the treatment, while if she is bailed out (cost of which is prohibitively huge as per article) then they will have to get the treatment on their own, just my thought.
Where did you get this "mum about her time..."?
As time goes on, it is becoming more likely that she and her children were hiding with AlQaeda in Afghanistan/FATA.
[SIZE=4]Attorney mum on Aafia’s children whereabouts[/SIZE]
[SIZE=3]By Masood Haider[/SIZE]
NEW YORK, Aug 15: Elizabeth Fink, the attorney for Aafia Siddiqui, a Pakistani woman charged by the US authorities with trying to kill US soldiers in Afghanistan, says that Aafia was tortured but keeps quiet on the whereabouts her children.
“The woman has been tortured,” Ms Fink said. “I believed she has been tortured based on my experience with people with post-traumatic stress disorder.”
On the crucial question about the whereabouts of Ms Siddiqui’s three children whose custody is being sought by Pakistani authorities, Ms Fink refused to comment suggesting that some issues could not be shared with the press.
When Pakistani consular officers met Ms Siddiqui last Saturday another defence attorney, Gideon Oliver, asked Ms Siddiqui not to speak about her children.
Later talking to Dawn he confirmed that he had stopped Ms Siddiqui from revealing any information about her children to Pakistani authorities.
Pakistan’s Deputy Consul General Saqib Rauf also said that Ms Siddiqui wanted to speak about her children but was restrained under advice of her counsel. “She kept on asking after the welfare of her mother and wanted to know about the political conditions in the country”, he said.
Lets wait and see as what shows up later on this issue, if she truly ran and hid in Afghanistan then she must be AlQaida operative, may the truth come out in the open sooner than later and may justice prevail.
this indeed is sad , made me go numb...............nobody mentioned about her 3 kids nowhere in the news & articles , it's not just one but 4 lives r involved in this whole ordeal, i'm surprised that her husband didn't made any attempt to get to know about their kids , or may be he too is detained somewhere ?? allah reham karey
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