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Old Sep 2nd, 2008, 08:43 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Overwhelming votes to support PCC demand of Separate Christian Province is true voice of Pakistani Christians. Nazir Bhatti
London: August 31, 2008. PCC leaders shall soon tour Canada and EU countries to address seminars and open discussions to seek support for division of Pakistan in 12 federally administered units to be called provincesand formation of Separate Christian Province in southwestern parts of Punjab said Nazir S Bhatti in telephonic conversation to Central Executive Council leaders of PCC.

Nazir Bhatti said, “overwhelming votes in favor of PCC demand is true voice of Pakistani Christians and government shall accept this verdict unless Christian youth shall be forced to take their own course of action”

We have received messages; mails of support and invitation from many countries to address gatherings on issue of Separate Christian Province in Pakistan, which have been accepted, and tours are scheduled in 2009.

Nazir Bhatti clarified that suggestions made by many Pakistani Christian leaders abroad to form exile government of “Christland and Takistan” are not under consideration of Pakistan Christian Congress because we demand Separate Christian Province within federation of Pakistan not an independent Christian country on division of Pakistan.

Nazir S Bhatti urged Christians to unite and join peaceful movement for division of Punjab and formation of Separate Christian Province.

“We support struggles of Siraki and Hazra movement to divide Punjab in three provinces because division of Punjab is important for solidarity of Pakistan” added Nazir Bhatti

Nazir Bhatti paid homage to all who voted in PCP to support demand of Separate Christian Province and urged government to consider it as referendum.

Nazir S Bhatti said that division of Pakistan in autonomous unit is only solution to end terrorism and religious extremism in Pakistan






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Old Sep 2nd, 2008, 09:40 AM   #2 (permalink)
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These kind of ppl are puppets of other organizations and countries. Their bank accounts should always be kept on continuous check.

The name of the country is Islamic Republic of Pakistan where all believers are free to live and practice their religion. this is not Lebanon






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Old Sep 2nd, 2008, 10:55 AM   #3 (permalink)
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aira ghaira nathoo khaira starts demanding anything, doesn' t mean we need to pay attention to every single of them.







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Old Sep 2nd, 2008, 10:59 AM   #4 (permalink)
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If some one needs pakistan Govt's attention they need to use guns first.
Christians haven't done so.
SO on behalf of pak Govt. NO!!!

Dr Bhatti should know better!!







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Old Sep 2nd, 2008, 11:10 AM   #5 (permalink)
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This is even more absurd than Altaf's demand for a seperate Jinnahpur






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Old Sep 2nd, 2008, 11:20 AM   #6 (permalink)
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No but Dr. Bhatti don't want to break pakistan.






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Old Sep 2nd, 2008, 11:30 AM   #7 (permalink)
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Are there enough Christians in the area they are demanding a "province" to make one city?






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Old Sep 2nd, 2008, 11:47 AM   #8 (permalink)
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Islam is as foreign a religion in Pakistan, as Christianity.






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Old Sep 2nd, 2008, 11:48 AM   #9 (permalink)
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This is clearly an absurd demand.







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Old Sep 2nd, 2008, 01:00 PM   #10 (permalink)
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Are there enough Christians in the area they are demanding a "province" to make one city?
Theres belts of villages in the south of Punjab with overwhelming Christian populations, but they are small villages.






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Old Sep 2nd, 2008, 01:08 PM   #11 (permalink)
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His demand is totally understandable

People like Bhatti used to advocate for single election system when there used to be separate elections for Muslims and non-Muslims. Now when that issue is resolved, Bhatti need an issue to remain in news and fill his fat wallet!







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Islam is as foreign a religion in Pakistan, as Christianity.
and the point is?






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Old Sep 2nd, 2008, 01:48 PM   #13 (permalink)
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^^ he doesn't have a point.


Anyway, this is just absurd. A lame way to stay in news....






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Old Sep 2nd, 2008, 02:24 PM   #14 (permalink)
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His demand is totally understandable

People like Bhatti used to advocate for single election system when there used to be separate elections for Muslims and non-Muslims. Now when that issue is resolved, Bhatti need an issue to remain in news and fill his fat wallet!
What he advocated was that he wants dual voting rights with separate electoral.






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Old Sep 2nd, 2008, 02:25 PM   #15 (permalink)
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Are there enough Christians in the area they are demanding a "province" to make one city?
According to Mr bhatti there are about 20 million christians in pakistan and make up 13% of the states population and 18% of the punjab.






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Old Sep 2nd, 2008, 02:48 PM   #16 (permalink)
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Nazir Bhatti said, “overwhelming votes in favor of PCC demand is true voice of Pakistani Christians and government shall accept this verdict unless Christian youth shall be forced to take their own course of action”
thats a threat

slap this joker


theres no need to lump all christians into one province. christians/hindus/sikh/jews are all free to live equally already






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Old Sep 2nd, 2008, 03:28 PM   #17 (permalink)
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According to Mr bhatti there are about 20 million christians in pakistan and make up 13% of the states population and 18% of the punjab.
Then he needs to be taken up for investigation where those Christians are hiding, seems like he knows more about Pakistan than CIA

https://www.cia.gov/library/publicat...k/geos/pk.html

There are 3% minorities that includes both Christians and Hindus, so probably this guy was smoking something or is getting some "special funding" for trying to cause unrest as he has threatened "accept this verdict unless Christian youth shall be forced to take their own course of action”






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Ppl read between the lines. Dr Bhatti is testing the water. Like altaf he wants support from a segment of our society to fulfill his VERY OWN ambitions.
So he is just checking the response






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Old Sep 3rd, 2008, 06:51 AM   #19 (permalink)
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There are 3% minorities that includes both Christians and Hindus,
The population of christians in 1947 was declared to be 2 or 3% of the total population of pakistan.
It is also known that after independence many low-caste hindus converted to christianty, thus further increasing their population.
how come they are only 1 % by 2008.






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Old Sep 3rd, 2008, 01:11 PM   #20 (permalink)
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The population of christians in 1947 was declared to be 2 or 3% of the total population of pakistan.
It is also known that after independence many low-caste hindus converted to christianty, thus further increasing their population.
how come they are only 1 % by 2008.
Who said they are only 1%? Do you have a source? Many Hindus migrated to India as well.






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Old Sep 4th, 2008, 06:53 AM   #21 (permalink)
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Who said they are only 1%? Do you have a source? Many Hindus migrated to India as well.
According to official figures they are 1 or 2%.






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Old Sep 4th, 2008, 01:26 PM   #22 (permalink)
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It was discussed here sometime ago on these numbers, may be you can lookup that thread. Anyway, creating a province just for 1-2% minority doesn't make any sense especially considering these minorities are widespread in the country.






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Who is this Joker Bhatti.







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hey if you accept that basis as an acceptable reason for the creation of pakistan - then this demand is entirely similar. opposing it on this basis is just hypocrisy.

however, as the people are spread out across the country (whatever their percentage of population may be) and unlikely to want to move away from their jobs and homes, the point is moot.

The statement is made to highlight the fact that the pakistanis are not acting in a very muslim manner of protecting its minorities - and thereby derogating one of the fundamental principles for the creation of the state of pakistan.

I doubt there is anyone here who can dispute the fact that the recent fate of the christian community has been bleak. churches being burnt by stupid illiterate of fundamentalistic mobs. I can totally understand the guys concerns - if you can guarantee safety and religious freedom to the christian minority - then they are better off handling those issues themselves.

After all - thats why we had the two nation theory.






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hey if you accept that basis as an acceptable reason for the creation of pakistan - then this demand is entirely similar. opposing it on this basis is just hypocrisy.

however, as the people are spread out across the country (whatever their percentage of population may be) and unlikely to want to move away from their jobs and homes, the point is moot.

The statement is made to highlight the fact that the pakistanis are not acting in a very muslim manner of protecting its minorities - and thereby derogating one of the fundamental principles for the creation of the state of pakistan.

I doubt there is anyone here who can dispute the fact that the recent fate of the christian community has been bleak. churches being burnt by stupid illiterate of fundamentalistic mobs. I can totally understand the guys concerns - if you can guarantee safety and religious freedom to the christian minority - then they are better off handling those issues themselves.

After all - thats why we had the two nation theory.
In case you didn't notice Shia mosques, probably Brelvi were under attack from extremists side, are you suggesting to create a Brelvi province, a Shia province, Salafi province, Agha Khan province, Bohri province too?






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Old Sep 7th, 2008, 01:33 PM   #27 (permalink)
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In case you didn't notice Shia mosques, probably Brelvi were under attack from extremists side, are you suggesting to create a Brelvi province, a Shia province, Salafi province, Agha Khan province, Bohri province too?
hmm, was my language unclear? did I say that I want them to or propose it be done?

However, were the people of those faiths ask for such a thing, I will not be able to oppose it on the basis of the 'two nation theory' - which as everyone knows is the basis for creation of Pakistan.

The reason given for the need for separate nation of Pakistan was that the rights and safety of muslims could not be guaranteed in united India -

are you now able to guarantee that the rights and safety of the chistians, shias, ismailis, agha khanis?

we can't even guarantee it for the majority let alone the minority - no wonder some are thinking it would be best if they were able to control their own affairs






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makes very sense for even the people he is trying to use as a facade for his mission, be it even a petty motive of hurting the country .
the issues about disparities are more economic centered than religious.







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hmm, was my language unclear? did I say that I want them to or propose it be done?

However, were the people of those faiths ask for such a thing, I will not be able to oppose it on the basis of the 'two nation theory' - which as everyone knows is the basis for creation of Pakistan.

The reason given for the need for separate nation of Pakistan was that the rights and safety of muslims could not be guaranteed in united India -

are you now able to guarantee that the rights and safety of the chistians, shias, ismailis, agha khanis?

we can't even guarantee it for the majority let alone the minority - no wonder some are thinking it would be best if they were able to control their own affairs
As the security situation is bad for EVERY citizen in the country, would it make sense to split country in to million parts like each mohalla is a country so they can have their own "security"?

Security is not bad just for Christian or any minority in specific/general, its bad for everyone. Security alone can't be used as reason to carve out province/city/country.






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