Rebel X

can it be repealed? and if so, what process can do that?
anyone know?

GoldenAsif

NRO was a presidential decree so I believe it can be repealed only by the president. Now that Zardari is in office I do not think woh apnay paon par khud kulhari maray ga?

mAd_ScIeNtIsT

I think Parliament and the supreme court can repeal it.

Parliament won't repeal it, because the majority of the representatives of the Pakistani people want the NRO to stay.

The supreme court is filled with pro-NRO judges, so they won't repeal it.

Shamraz Khan

Actually, presidential ordinances are suppose to expire after 120 days unless approved by the Parliament. Since, NRO was never approved by the Parliament in mandatory 120 days its now a dead law, but the problem is that once on the books these laws are treated as defacto or "in practice" laws. BTW, Zia's Hudud Ordinance were never approved by the Parliament & it was still in efoce until repealed by Protection of Women Act in 2005 I think.

Spock

Karney ko har cheez ho jati hai. With both of the benefactor parties of the NRO, the MQM and the PPP in power, I doubt it will ever happen. Lets wait till 2012

funguy

what is NRO abbreviated for?

Spock

National Reconciliation Ordinance

Zakk

actually I am not sure if the NRO was ratified by the senate? It was validated by the PCO judges but normallyan ordinance lapses after 4 months.

Rebel X

unless the govt changes hands before 2012.
but let me get this straight,a side from MQM and PPP, there were no beneficiaries of this at all?
I thought this was based on stuff in a specific period not by a specific party.

Spock

Yep, the only people who benefitted from the NRO belong to the PPP and the MQM. The MQM had the highest number of cases against them, including that of ransom and murder, and they are the prime benefactors of this ordinance. Alot of crooks and murderes hiding abroad returned as a result.

GoldenAsif

Read under 'Possible deal with the Musharraf Government'
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benazir_Bhutto

'The National Reconciliation Ordinance, gave amnesty to Bhutto and other political leaders—except exiled former premier Nawaz Sharif—in all court cases against them, including all corruption charges. The Ordinance came a day before Musharraf faced the crucial presidential poll. Both Bhutto's opposition party, the PPP, and the ruling PMLQ, were involved in negotiations beforehand about the deal'

So it was selective indemnity and not fair game at all. If anything Nawaz should have been the one to hold a grudge against Mush.

I even heard from someone that some officer (Brig. Satti I think his name was) slapped Nawaz in jail when he refused to sign some documents and give in to the regime's certain demands. However bad Nawaz was, is this how one should behave with a deposed (elected) Prime Minister (and one elected by 2/3 majority), your ex-boss for god's sake? It's bad enough that you hand-cuffed him and frightened him with some say snakes, scorpions etc under his bed. But atleast show some humanity, show some dignity and respect to the poor guy. And when Nawaz returned home the first time and was refused entry by Mush, he was given a tooti phooti bus by the authorities.... becharay Nawaz kee aankhon mein aansoo aa gaye k kahan ek din mein iss mulk ka Wazir-e-Azam tha aur kahan yeh naainsaafi aur budsulooki. Hate to say this but Mush mein kameena pun bohat tha. So in a way Mush got what he deserved in the end.

Spock

Also, Mr. Musharraf when issuing the NRO said that there was political victimization from 1988-1999. How conveniently hes forgetting the victicimization by his mai-baap Zia-ul-Haq before 1988, and the victimization he engaged in after 1999 (where he set new standards). He spent millions of dollars to pursue cases against Zardari, only to grant him a full pardon in the end. He victimized alot of politicians including Javed Hashmi and our current Prime Minister on bogus charges, kept them behind for so many years. He even house arrested people without charges, including people like Imran Khan, Justice Saeed (his crime was that he refused to take oath under Musharraf). Musharraf was also known to have ordered his thugs to treat CJ Iftikhar in the worst way and to rough him up (he was handled badly and his hair was pulled). People like Munir Malik (poisoned), Aitezaz Ahsan, Kurdh etc, arrested and victimized for no crimes.

GoldenAsif

^ Yeah very true

Rebel X

guys, can we keep bhashans out please. really, its a simple discussion trying to understand if and how NRO can be repealed and who all can benefit from it to get an idea whether there is a realistic chaance of it being repealed. Please..thanks

does the NRO exclude Nawaz by name or does it exclude activities from a certain point to a certain point?

If nawaz is excluded by name, what about other PML-N folks? all PPP folks?

what about altaf and company?

what if we find out diesel was involved in something crazy, which he probably was..is he off the hook too?

just trying to get an idea of who all benefit from NRO.

because it may end up being in the benefit of more people who dont want it repealed. regardless of what Musharraf did, and yeah NRO was a real dumb move, could it be repealed or since so many ppl benefit from it, and have been elected into assemblies etc, that they will sweep it under the rug?

Spock

Here you go sir As stated before, the NRO benefits those, whose cases were 'reviewed' and taken off, and there were none for Nawaz Sharif (as much as you'd want his name to be dragged with the NRO). Abhi aik din pehley me ney article post kiya tha, from an international reputed source which distinctly said that Nawaz was not the benefactor of the NRO, unlike Zardari. The article below shows the NRO benefitting the MQM vultures.

Speedy justice for MQM under NRO

The entire Muttahida leadership, along with more than 2,000 others, will stand exonerated of a multitude of alleged serious crimes, including murder, if the recommendations of the Review Board are implemented.

coOoLBreeze

After knowing all the drama pakistani law and politics possess. This truly is the funniest question

Rebel X

question is on what process/procedures exist, what can legally take place. whether or not it does take place is a different question.

Spock

^ My take is no, because the NRO is just an ordinance, based on this ordinance cases (selective ones) were reviewed and dismissed. It would be impossible to bring back cases which were dismissed just because the ordinance was nullified.