Zardari fails to get China's commitment on nuke deal.

Aalsi · Oct 17th, 2008, 03:44 PM

With political instability, and AQ Khan debacle, even the 'all weather friend' like China is reluctant to provide support to Pakistan's Nuclear industry, albeit for 'energy' sector. However, there is good news regarding launching telecommunication sattelite.

Zardari fails to get China's commitment on nuke deal-China-World-The Times of India

Zardari fails to get China's commitment on nuke deal

Pakistan President Asif Ali Zardari has failed to obtain a clear commitment from Chinese leaders on his proposal for broadening the nuclear relationship between the two countries, informed sources said.

Zardari is believed to have spent the past two days during his first presidential visit to Beijing persuading Chinese leaders to sign a Sino-Pakistan nuclear deal on the lines of the India-US deal, among other things.

But Beijing has indicated it will seriously consider Zardari's request after examining the changing situation concerning India-US nuclear relationship and Iran's nuclear ambitions.

Zardari is believed to have told Chinese leaders that a Sino-Pakistan deal on nuclear energy would help Beijing counter the effects of the India-US deal. But Chinese leaders are reluctant to go ahead with the idea as they regard Pakistan to be politically unstable, sources said.

At the same time, Chinese president Hu Jintao left no one in doubt that China values its four-decade long friendship with Pakistan by receiving Zardari with a 21-gun military salute at the Tiananmen Square, festooned with the national flags of the two countries. "Your entire family are old friends of the Chinese people. We will never forget the outstanding contribution Benazir Bhutto and Zulfikar Ali Bhutto had made to boosting ties with China," he told Zardari.

China has agreed to launch a telecommunication satellite, dubbed PakSat-1R, for Pakistan in 2011. The state-run Industry Corporation has said that a Long March 3B rocket will be used to put the satellite into orbit.

Plans involve launching the satellite from the Xichang Satellite Launch Center in the southwestern Sichuan Province. The satellite with a life span of 15 years will be used by Pakistan for domestic telecommunication and broadcast services.

China, which earlier delivered two satellites were sent to Nigeria last year, has recently agreed to launch a satellite for Venezuela.

China is also believed to be blocking US efforts to impose greater sanctions on Iran to curb its nuclear ambitions. Beijing is unhappy over recent US decisions to export arms to which it regards as part of Chinese territory.

An important factor shaping China's policies concerning India. Pakistan, Iran and Venezuela is its desire to put the US at a disadvantage in the international political scene. This is what explains its desire to give Iran a helping hand and back Venezuela, which is seriously opposed to US policies, sources said.

nGenius · Oct 17th, 2008, 05:19 PM

[SIZE=3]Good deals, but no nukes for Pakistan
[/SIZE]By Sudha Ramachandran

BANGALORE - Speculation in the run-up to Chinese President Hu Jintao's visit to Pakistan indicated that deals that would "find no parallel in history" were in the offing. Specifically, the reports suggested that Hu would announce a deal with Pakistan promising civilian nuclear cooperation that would match the India-US deal.

In the event, Hu made no such offer, but there were plenty of other goodies to compensate for the lack of a nuclear deal. The 18 agreements ranging from defense cooperation to energy included

a free-trade agreement (FTA) that is expected to boost bilateral trade from US$4.26 billion last year to $15 billion within five years.
The two countries also have agreed on a five-year plan to boost economic ties. Besides, Chinese and Pakistani companies have finalized 13 joint-venture agreements worth $3 billion. And Hu inaugurated a special economic zone near Lahore, which has been set up for Chinese business.

Sino-Pakistani defense cooperation has been taken to a new level with China agreeing to collaborate in the production of an airborne warning and control system (AWACS). Pakistan's air force is already collaborating with China in the co-development and co-production of the JF-17 Thunder fighter aircraft. With regard to civilian nuclear energy, China, which has already helped build a 300-megawatt nuclear plant and is building another, reaffirmed its commitment to "continue to carry out such cooperation".

Sino-Pakistan cooperation in many fields goes back several decades, and both countries are effusive in their description of their friendship. During his visit to Pakistan, Hu described bilateral relations as "higher than the Himalayas, deeper than the Indian Ocean and sweeter than honey", while Pakistani President General Pervez Musharraf spoke of the "evergreen relationship" between the two countries.

And indeed the relationship has been an "all-weather friendship", having survived the region's turbulent politics as well as major realignments in international politics. A shared antagonism toward India keeps the friendship alive.

Pakistan sees China as its most dependable ally. Beijing is Pakistan's largest supplier of conventional weapons and has played a key role in the latter's nuclear and missile programs. It has contributed significantly to the country's economic development. It is partnering in the construction of a port at Gwadar, contributing technical expertise and the bulk of the funding for the project.

For China, Pakistan is a useful counterweight to India. This is behind its efforts at building the country's economic and military muscle. Pakistan also provides China with a link to the Muslim world.

But it was in the nuclear-power arena that Pakistanis had pinned their hopes. Media reports cited "sources" as saying that China had agreed to supply four nuclear power plants, while Pakistan was insisting on six. Apparently, Pakistani authorities were so sure of getting a deal that the Pakistan Atomic Energy Commission had even selected sites for the six new power plants.
"These expectations have been dashed with Hu not announcing any grand nuclear deal," a Pakistani civil servant told Asia Times Online. "All that Pakistan got was a vaguely worded announcement of further collaboration." Elaborating on other reasons for Pakistan's disappointment he pointed to the "paradigm shift in China's position with regard to civilian nuclear cooperation with India".

During Hu's visit to India, Beijing and New Delhi agreed to cooperate in civilian nuclear energy, a move that has been interpreted in some circles as a significant shift, given the decades-long hostile nuclear relationship between the two countries. Delhi is hoping that the shift will lead to support from China for the India-US nuclear deal when it comes up before the Nuclear Suppliers' Group.

"Of course, India would have liked China to have explicitly endorsed the deal, but that would have been expecting too much of the Chinese at this juncture," an official in India's Ministry of External Affairs told Asia Times Online.

While some in India might be rubbing their hands in glee that the Pakistanis did not get the nuclear deal they were dreaming about, China watchers here are cautious in their assessment of Hu's Pakistan visit. They are pointing out that there is no reason for Islamabad to be disappointed as the Chinese have, as always, been generous with Pakistan.

Take for instance China's offer of collaboration with Pakistan on AWACS. "This is substantial hardware that China is giving Pakistan," observed Lawrence Prabhakar, a China expert who is associate professor at the Madras Christian College in Chennai and research fellow at the Institute for Defense and Strategic Studies in Singapore. Besides, they have thrown in an FTA as an "added bonus".

As for China's reluctance to fulfill Pakistan's nuclear wish list, Prabhakar points to Beijing's concerns regarding poor physical safety of reactors in Pakistan. The Pakistani leadership will not admit this publicly but it is worried about the entrepreneurial network in nuclear technology and does not want to be seen to have been complicit in this again. This has prompted the Chinese leadership to move cautiously with regard to building more reactors in Pakistan, he says.

More important, Hu did not announce a grand nuclear deal during his visit because the Chinese "don't do anything in haste", observed Prabhakar. "They will wait to see what happens with regard to the India-US deal before deciding on their next step."

The US House of Representatives and the Senate have given the green signal to the India-US nuclear deal but have endorsed different versions. These versions have to be reconciled before being put to vote before the Congress. China will wait to see the final version of the deal, "and then they will give a measured response", said Prabhakar.

China is keen for a share in the business that will open up if the India-US nuclear deal becomes a reality. Hence its new openness with regard to nuclear cooperation with India. Besides, the "quiet endorsement" it extended to the India-US nuclear deal during Hu's visit to India will "enable it to do a similar deal with Pakistan in future", noted Prabhakar.

What India needs to note is that while China might not have granted Pakistan's wish list during Hu's visit, neither has it ruled out civilian nuclear cooperation with that country. It has left the issue open by holding out the promise of continued cooperation; at the same time, is has not committed to specifics at this juncture, preferring to wait and watch before taking the plunge.

Indian analysts are also drawing attention to the giant strides China has made in the region on the economic front. "That China has an FTA with Pakistan and has emerged as the largest trading partner of Bangladesh last year should remind New Delhi that its failure to expand economic cooperation with its important neighbors is proving to be a blessing in disguise for Beijing," wrote noted security analyst Raja Mohan in the Indian Express.

"As its tight-fisted Commerce Ministry refuses to lift the many trade barriers with the neighbors and its cloistered security establishment prevents normalization of bilateral relations with Pakistan and Bangladesh, India has in effect given China a free economic pass in the region," Mohan said. "While the Indian security establishment pats itself on the back for preventing Chinese investments in its border areas, Beijing's economic presence all across India's frontiers - from Pakistan in the west, through Nepal in the north and Bangladesh in the east to Sri Lanka in the south - will soon be a powerful reality."

India's political establishment might be upbeat about improving ties with China - Indian politicians frequently refer to the bhai-bhai (brother-brother) relationship - but business leaders continue to be wary of the dragon. "One look at India's anti-dumping case history and it becomes clear why Indian business cannot yet trust its Chinese counterpart," says a report in Economic Times. "The figures are mind-boggling.

"Of the 188 anti-dumping cases initiated by India since it kicked off the process in 1992, 89 are against Chinese companies ... With such heavy dumping taking place in India by Chinese manufacturers, it is not surprising that the Indian industry sees red whenever there is a talk of extending market economy status to China."

Solid facts rather than emotions lie behind India's guarded approach to China.

Hu's week-long visit to India and Pakistan has ended. India and China might be doing more business with each other than in the past, but there is little to encourage India to lower its guard.

At the end of his four-day visit to India, Hu in a speech delivered in Mumbai said China does not seek "selfish gains" in South Asia and is ready to play a "constructive role" for peace and development in the region. He will need to move beyond mere rhetoric to convince India.

Sudha Ramachandran is an independent journalist/researcher based in Bangalore.

ehtasab · Oct 17th, 2008, 05:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aalsi

With political instability, and AQ Khan debacle, even the 'all weather friend' like China is reluctant to provide support to Pakistan's Nuclear industry, albeit for 'energy' sector. However, there is good news regarding launching telecommunication sattelite.

Zardari fails to get China's commitment on nuke deal-China-World-The Times of India

Zardari fails to get China's commitment on nuke deal

Pakistan President Asif Ali Zardari has failed to obtain a clear commitment from Chinese leaders on his proposal for broadening the nuclear relationship between the two countries, informed sources said.

to unclear commitment hi le aata

legbreakgoogly · Oct 17th, 2008, 05:34 PM

Truth is its bad for China's image to have nuclear association with us now. We, sadly, have a rep for proliferation cos of AQ Khan.

ehtasab · Oct 17th, 2008, 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by legbreakgoogly

Truth is its bad for China's image to have nuclear association with us now. We, sadly, have a rep for proliferation cos of AQ Khan.

So what, we could've helped China get more customers

vineshvk · Oct 17th, 2008, 05:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nGenius

[SIZE=3]Good deals, but no nukes for Pakistan[/SIZE]
[SIZE=3][/SIZE]By Sudha Ramachandran

BANGALORE - Speculation in the run-up to Chinese President Hu Jintao's visit to Pakistan indicated that deals that would "find no parallel in history" were in the offing. Specifically, the reports suggested that Hu would announce a deal with Pakistan promising civilian nuclear cooperation that would match the India-US deal.

In the event, Hu made no such offer, but there were plenty of other goodies to compensate for the lack of a nuclear deal. The 18 agreements ranging from defense cooperation to energy included

a free-trade agreement (FTA) that is expected to boost bilateral trade from US$4.26 billion last year to $15 billion within five years.
The two countries also have agreed on a five-year plan to boost economic ties. Besides, Chinese and Pakistani companies have finalized 13 joint-venture agreements worth $3 billion. And Hu inaugurated a special economic zone near Lahore, which has been set up for Chinese business.

Sino-Pakistani defense cooperation has been taken to a new level with China agreeing to collaborate in the production of an airborne warning and control system (AWACS). Pakistan's air force is already collaborating with China in the co-development and co-production of the JF-17 Thunder fighter aircraft. With regard to civilian nuclear energy, China, which has already helped build a 300-megawatt nuclear plant and is building another, reaffirmed its commitment to "continue to carry out such cooperation".

Sino-Pakistan cooperation in many fields goes back several decades, and both countries are effusive in their description of their friendship. During his visit to Pakistan, Hu described bilateral relations as "higher than the Himalayas, deeper than the Indian Ocean and sweeter than honey", while Pakistani President General Pervez Musharraf spoke of the "evergreen relationship" between the two countries.

And indeed the relationship has been an "all-weather friendship", having survived the region's turbulent politics as well as major realignments in international politics. A shared antagonism toward India keeps the friendship alive.

Pakistan sees China as its most dependable ally. Beijing is Pakistan's largest supplier of conventional weapons and has played a key role in the latter's nuclear and missile programs. It has contributed significantly to the country's economic development. It is partnering in the construction of a port at Gwadar, contributing technical expertise and the bulk of the funding for the project.

For China, Pakistan is a useful counterweight to India. This is behind its efforts at building the country's economic and military muscle. Pakistan also provides China with a link to the Muslim world.

But it was in the nuclear-power arena that Pakistanis had pinned their hopes. Media reports cited "sources" as saying that China had agreed to supply four nuclear power plants, while Pakistan was insisting on six. Apparently, Pakistani authorities were so sure of getting a deal that the Pakistan Atomic Energy Commission had even selected sites for the six new power plants.
"These expectations have been dashed with Hu not announcing any grand nuclear deal," a Pakistani civil servant told Asia Times Online. "All that Pakistan got was a vaguely worded announcement of further collaboration." Elaborating on other reasons for Pakistan's disappointment he pointed to the "paradigm shift in China's position with regard to civilian nuclear cooperation with India".

During Hu's visit to India, Beijing and New Delhi agreed to cooperate in civilian nuclear energy, a move that has been interpreted in some circles as a significant shift, given the decades-long hostile nuclear relationship between the two countries. Delhi is hoping that the shift will lead to support from China for the India-US nuclear deal when it comes up before the Nuclear Suppliers' Group.

"Of course, India would have liked China to have explicitly endorsed the deal, but that would have been expecting too much of the Chinese at this juncture," an official in India's Ministry of External Affairs told Asia Times Online.

While some in India might be rubbing their hands in glee that the Pakistanis did not get the nuclear deal they were dreaming about, China watchers here are cautious in their assessment of Hu's Pakistan visit. They are pointing out that there is no reason for Islamabad to be disappointed as the Chinese have, as always, been generous with Pakistan.

Take for instance China's offer of collaboration with Pakistan on AWACS. "This is substantial hardware that China is giving Pakistan," observed Lawrence Prabhakar, a China expert who is associate professor at the Madras Christian College in Chennai and research fellow at the Institute for Defense and Strategic Studies in Singapore. Besides, they have thrown in an FTA as an "added bonus".

As for China's reluctance to fulfill Pakistan's nuclear wish list, Prabhakar points to Beijing's concerns regarding poor physical safety of reactors in Pakistan. The Pakistani leadership will not admit this publicly but it is worried about the entrepreneurial network in nuclear technology and does not want to be seen to have been complicit in this again. This has prompted the Chinese leadership to move cautiously with regard to building more reactors in Pakistan, he says.

More important, Hu did not announce a grand nuclear deal during his visit because the Chinese "don't do anything in haste", observed Prabhakar. "They will wait to see what happens with regard to the India-US deal before deciding on their next step."

The US House of Representatives and the Senate have given the green signal to the India-US nuclear deal but have endorsed different versions. These versions have to be reconciled before being put to vote before the Congress. China will wait to see the final version of the deal, "and then they will give a measured response", said Prabhakar.

China is keen for a share in the business that will open up if the India-US nuclear deal becomes a reality. Hence its new openness with regard to nuclear cooperation with India. Besides, the "quiet endorsement" it extended to the India-US nuclear deal during Hu's visit to India will "enable it to do a similar deal with Pakistan in future", noted Prabhakar.

What India needs to note is that while China might not have granted Pakistan's wish list during Hu's visit, neither has it ruled out civilian nuclear cooperation with that country. It has left the issue open by holding out the promise of continued cooperation; at the same time, is has not committed to specifics at this juncture, preferring to wait and watch before taking the plunge.

Indian analysts are also drawing attention to the giant strides China has made in the region on the economic front. "That China has an FTA with Pakistan and has emerged as the largest trading partner of Bangladesh last year should remind New Delhi that its failure to expand economic cooperation with its important neighbors is proving to be a blessing in disguise for Beijing," wrote noted security analyst Raja Mohan in the Indian Express.

"As its tight-fisted Commerce Ministry refuses to lift the many trade barriers with the neighbors and its cloistered security establishment prevents normalization of bilateral relations with Pakistan and Bangladesh, India has in effect given China a free economic pass in the region," Mohan said. "While the Indian security establishment pats itself on the back for preventing Chinese investments in its border areas, Beijing's economic presence all across India's frontiers - from Pakistan in the west, through Nepal in the north and Bangladesh in the east to Sri Lanka in the south - will soon be a powerful reality."

India's political establishment might be upbeat about improving ties with China - Indian politicians frequently refer to the bhai-bhai (brother-brother) relationship - but business leaders continue to be wary of the dragon. "One look at India's anti-dumping case history and it becomes clear why Indian business cannot yet trust its Chinese counterpart," says a report in Economic Times. "The figures are mind-boggling.

"Of the 188 anti-dumping cases initiated by India since it kicked off the process in 1992, 89 are against Chinese companies ... With such heavy dumping taking place in India by Chinese manufacturers, it is not surprising that the Indian industry sees red whenever there is a talk of extending market economy status to China."

Solid facts rather than emotions lie behind India's guarded approach to China.

Hu's week-long visit to India and Pakistan has ended. India and China might be doing more business with each other than in the past, but there is little to encourage India to lower its guard.

At the end of his four-day visit to India, Hu in a speech delivered in Mumbai said China does not seek "selfish gains" in South Asia and is ready to play a "constructive role" for peace and development in the region. He will need to move beyond mere rhetoric to convince India.

Sudha Ramachandran is an independent journalist/researcher based in Bangalore.

this is a 2006 article, brother!!

burqaposhx · Oct 17th, 2008, 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Aalsi

....even the 'all weather friend' like China is reluctant to provide support to Pakistan's Nuclear industry, .....

How come Pakistanis are so gullible. China its own power plants from America.

It is time we woke up and figured a way to have correct level of expectations from China. China itself is dependent on the West in the high tech sector.

Here is an old news but it is still relevant. Chinese nuclear power plant tech cannot meet its energy demands then how could help Pakistan?

http://www.manufacturing.net/Westing...spx?menuid=278

ehtasab · Oct 17th, 2008, 06:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by burqaposhx

How come Pakistanis are so gullible. China its own power plants from America.

It is time we woke up and figured a way to have correct level of expectations from China. China itself is dependent on the West in the high tech sector.

Here is an old news but it is still relevant. Chinese nuclear power plant tech cannot meet its energy demands then how could help Pakistan?

http://www.manufacturing.net/Westing...spx?menuid=278

So where did China provide these nuclear reactors from ?

Salahuddin Ayyubi · Oct 17th, 2008, 06:42 PM

Guyz, wait and watch, nooclear coperation between Pak and China will continue like in the past... A lil piece of advise, when you quote India(n) source please take it with a truck load of salt for obvious reasons. thankoo.

China Aiding Pakistan's Nuclear Ambitions, China Privately Agrees To Provide Nuclear Reactors Used For Energy Production - CBS News

China has privately agreed to follow a "step-by-step" approach to fulfilling Pakistan’s aspiration for an expanded nuclear energy program, rather than sign an ambitious civil nuclear program of the kind recently struck between the U.S. and India, senior Pakistani and Western officials said on Thursday.

Private discussions are believed to have been held on expanded nuclear cooperation between Pakistan’s president Asif Ali Zardari and Chinese leaders during Zardari’s four-day visit to China, which began Tuesday.

A senior Pakistani government official, familiar with discussions between Zardari and Chinese officials, claimed Thursday that China had agreed to “consider further nuclear power reactors to fulfill our needs. The relationship (on the nuclear issue) remains intact”. Speaking to CBS News on condition of anonymity, the official added, “there is now a complete understanding on our future cooperation”.

China has installed a 325-Megawatts nuclear power reactor at Chashma, in Pakistan’s central Punjab province. Beijing is also currently working to install a second power reactor of the same capacity there. In ten years, Pakistan plans to produce up to 8,000 Megawatts of electricity using nuclear energy.

In addition to the two Chashma reactors, Pakistan has one Canadian-supplied nuclear energy reactor with a capacity of 137-Megawatts. Western diplomats say Pakistan is seeking to bridge the large gap between its installed capacity and future ambitions with Chinese help.

Western diplomats say China is interested in maintaining a stable relationship with Pakistan for a number of reasons: China sees its relationship with Pakistan as a way to counter-balance growing U.S. ties with India. In the long term, China also considers Pakistan as a conduit to expand trade with the oil rich Middle East to improve its economic and energy-related interests.

However, a second Pakistani official who spoke to CBS News on condition of anonymity said China is eager to avoid a direct confrontation with the West on its nuclear energy cooperation with Pakistan. “China is not seeking a head-on clash with anyone. It wants to broaden its relations with Pakistan but without the risk of a stiff U.S. reaction,” said the official.

U.S. reluctance to offer a civil nuclear power agreement to Pakistan stems mainly from revelations in 2004 that Abdul Qadeer Khan, the founder of Pakistan’s nuclear weapons program, traded nuclear secrets and technology with Iran, Libya and North Korea. Khan has remained effectively under house arrest since then.

Requests from the Western officials, notably the U.S., to interview Khan have all been denied by the Pakistani government.

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burqaposhx · Oct 17th, 2008, 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by ehtasab

So where did China provide these nuclear reactors from ?

Pakistanis make grand plans without ensuring the continuous supply of materials and technology.

Chasma -1 is 300 MW Chinese plant. Chashma -2 will be the same thing. The problem is that these plants are too small and it takes too long for China to build one. That's why China is importing 1000MW plants from the West.

Pakistanis love to say China is good Phrend. Poor things fail to note that in international relations there is no permanent Phrend or a permanent Phoe.

China has its own limitations. These days China can easily sacrifice Pakistan in order to win few more contracts with the West or even with India.

How come Pakistanis refuse to understand that China is now part and parcel of the West just like Japan, S. Korea, or Singapore.

It is time we follow what Chinese do i.e. work our backs off on the contracts from the USA. This is the only way to make money.

Once you have the money you can buy annny thing you want including nuclear plants directly from the USA instead of going round and round through Chinese middlemen.

Marjawa · Oct 17th, 2008, 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by vineshvk

this is a 2006 article, brother!!

Yes, I was thinking when did Hu come to Pakistan recently?

Btw, not that it is happening but china can "help" without announcing it. If china came public then it will have to go through NSG which it doesn't want to do. Pakistan will have to do for now but the best it can do is get people educated on how to make these things in china so it can tell the US to take a hike in that case.

ehtasab · Oct 17th, 2008, 09:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by burqaposhx

Pakistanis make grand plans without ensuring the continuous supply of materials and technology.

Chasma -1 is 300 MW Chinese plant. Chashma -2 will be the same thing. The problem is that these plants are too small and it takes too long for China to build one. That's why China is importing 1000MW plants from the West.

Pakistanis love to say China is good Phrend. Poor things fail to note that in international relations there is no permanent Phrend or a permanent Phoe.

China has its own limitations. These days China can easily sacrifice Pakistan in order to win few more contracts with the West or even with India.

How come Pakistanis refuse to understand that China is now part and parcel of the West just like Japan, S. Korea, or Singapore.

It is time we follow what Chinese do i.e. work our backs off on the contracts from the USA. This is the only way to make money.

Once you have the money you can buy annny thing you want including nuclear plants directly from the USA instead of going round and round through Chinese middlemen.

IF you read your post you are talking about the same "grand plan" that you criticise "Pakistanis" of i.e work our asses of, earn money then go buy anny thing. Since Pakistan is not in a position to buy grand nuke plants then it is okay to buy them in small sizes, moreover Pakistan's problems are compounded by decades old distribution infrastructure which never gets upgraded.

5Abi · Oct 17th, 2008, 11:04 PM

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Originally Posted by vineshvk

this is a 2006 article, brother!!

haan haan jaldi mein purana article google kar kay chaap diya baycharay nay, oooooooooops

burqaposhx · Oct 18th, 2008, 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by ehtasab

IF you read your post you are talking about the same "grand plan" that you criticise "Pakistanis" of i.e work our asses of, earn money then go buy anny thing. Since Pakistan is not in a position to buy grand nuke plants then it is okay to buy them in small sizes, moreover Pakistan's problems are compounded by decades old distribution infrastructure which never gets upgraded.

brother, Pakistan at this moment do not have money even for Chinese plants. And if we truly focus on making money then sky is the limit. The idea that we can beg Saudi or Chinese and make our ends meet is clearly not working.

Salahuddin Ayyubi · Oct 18th, 2008, 09:07 AM

http://www.sinodaily.com/2006/081018....mkdgv3ve.html

China to help Pakistan build two more nuclear plants

ehsan · Oct 18th, 2008, 10:39 AM

The Indian media jumped the gun.

BBC NEWS | World | South Asia | China to boost Pakistani energy

ehtasab · Oct 18th, 2008, 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by ehsan

The Indian media jumped the gun.

BBC NEWS | World | South Asia | China to boost Pakistani energy

The source of our beloved great unprecedented Aalsi

Aalsi · Oct 18th, 2008, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Salahuddin Ayyubi

China to help Pakistan build two more nuclear plants

China to help Pakistan build two more nuclear plants

Alhamdulilallah. If true, this is very good news for Pakistani energy sector. Let's hope this is not another 'Muree Declaration' type of statement from a Pakistani Minister. :CareBear:

Spock · Oct 18th, 2008, 08:42 PM

^ Great Zardari is wise, why do we need information when we can have China do the world for us? Right great Aalsi?

Raindance · Oct 20th, 2008, 03:53 AM

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Originally Posted by ehsan

The Indian media jumped the gun.

BBC NEWS | World | South Asia | China to boost Pakistani energy

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When it comes to Pakistan's news and that with chineses characters in it, and if you seek good laughter and stupid jokes then TURN TO BBC - HINDUSTAN TIMES even unknown AUSSIE media and see them making a jackass of them selves. CARRY ON SLAVING!