Electric it can finish us

Anwer Pasha · Jan 1st, 2009, 03:46 PM

The persons who created WAPDA were perhaps not knowing that they are going to create a blunder which shall finish everything one day.
Just count that only supplying electercity to a destinatin 5 miles away costs more than 35 million.So trying to keep control on whole nation they destroyed the whole system. Only line losses and theft of electercity is actual more than 25 % of production. And Zia ,Yahya and Musharraf did nothing for production of power.
Now better to see views of people here

PyariCgudia · Jan 1st, 2009, 07:04 PM

Your poor grammar skills prevent me from contributing to this discussion. I have no idea what you're saying.

desert bird · Jan 1st, 2009, 10:44 PM

He is talking about present worst energy crisis here in Pakistan not of electricity but also of gas and petrol

hanibal · Jan 2nd, 2009, 12:06 PM

Well Govt have failed to provide the basic neccesities to its people, let alone giving them relief of any other kind.

The Ministers is incapable of controlling any thing... the army of ministers are busy in memorials of BB and govt is busy in remaining cities and other place after benazir.

Lets say that all this mess is because of previous regime and it will take sometime to fix the things, but we need to see the things moving in the right direction where we can see any light at the end of the tunnel.

Govt of PPP, have done nothing but breaking the promises and laying foundation for political instability in the country.

I don't how more damage Zardari and his incompatible ministers will bring to pakistan.

Spock · Jan 2nd, 2009, 12:09 PM

Buddy, we have no choice but to rely on nodes and grids because we lack the infrastructure to make plants everywhere across!

hanibal · Jan 2nd, 2009, 12:15 PM

So you are saying because of these incompatible army of ministers, we should contiune to lack this infrastructure and consider it our fate.

wine · Jan 2nd, 2009, 12:43 PM

We have National Electric Grid System which is very modern, but the problem is more then 40% of Pakistan total land is under military action (NWFP & Balouchistan). We who live in Punjab have atleast access to basic necessities but my friends situation in other parts of Pakistan is seriouslly in danger zone.

I wish extremists are defeated and democracy take root. So we can become a state modelled on Turkey..

PyariCgudia · Jan 2nd, 2009, 05:31 PM

Spock, I don't remember you making those excuses when Musharraf was in power.

Facts are facts. Can someone please outline for me what steps exactly has the current central government taken to address the energy crisis, and what are the solid projected outcomes of those steps? And moreover, how quickly will they take place and take effect.

I know, I just asked way too many questions all at once, and they might be too much for the die-hard PPP follower to answer efficiently, but I'm not really following the energy crisis very closely in Pakistan and any information would be helpful. Thanks.

Spock · Jan 2nd, 2009, 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by PyariCgudia

Spock, I don't remember you making those excuses when Musharraf was in power.

What excuses did I make? Did you even read my post carefully? I said we have to rely on nodes and grids for the distribution of power because we dont have the infrastructure to build a thermal/hydel plant everywhere. This has nothing to do with Musharraf or Gandhi. This is the approach we have to take for electricity destribution, nod to node, grid to grid from feed points!

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Facts are facts. Can someone please outline for me what steps exactly has the current central government taken to address the energy crisis, and what are the solid projected outcomes of those steps? And moreover, how quickly will they take place and take effect.

Please google it up or go search old posts, as it was posted here on more than one occasion. In short, this Govt, unlike the previous one has a plan to tackle the problem.

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I know, I just asked way too many questions all at once, and they might be too much for the die-hard PPP follower to answer efficiently, but I'm not really following the energy crisis very closely in Pakistan and any information would be helpful. Thanks.

If you are out of touch with politics for a long time, google or search is your best friend.

desert bird · Jan 3rd, 2009, 01:40 AM

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Originally Posted by PyariCgudia

Facts are facts. Can someone please outline for me what steps exactly has the current central government taken to address the energy crisis, and what are the solid projected outcomes of those steps? And moreover, how quickly will they take place and take effect.

I know, I just asked way too many questions all at once, and they might be too much for the die-hard PPP follower to answer efficiently, but I'm not really following the energy crisis very closely in Pakistan and any information would be helpful. Thanks.

Here is an article today published in Daily Express PCG. You can get some imapct and magnitude of the crisis here in Pakistan.

wine · Jan 3rd, 2009, 02:13 AM

^^ wah... now you are quoting Abbas Athar....

hanibal · Jan 3rd, 2009, 02:19 AM

^^See even Abbas Ather is asking for the solution, we need to admit that there is a problem, and then instead of protecting Dogar and making an army of ministries, we need to plan and implement that plan to tackle this problem..

So far people have no idea why there are 20 hours of power cut... how long this will continue and what steps govt. is taking other than taking notice and having long dinner meetings and press conferences to solve these problems...

firenze · Jan 3rd, 2009, 02:23 AM

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Originally Posted by hanibal

^^See even Abbas Ather is asking for the solution, we need to admit that there is a problem, and then instead of protecting Dogar and making an army of ministries, we need to plan and implement that plan to tackle this problem..

So far people have no idea why there are 20 hours of power cut... how long this will continue and what steps govt. is taking other than taking notice and having long dinner meetings and press conferences to solve these problems...

Who is denying their is no problem? I only disagree where people have only one solution of toppling government and having mid term elections. Give them time and let them come back to polls again.

Ps. In Faisalabad i talk with dad light is back for 16-20 hours.

Lafanter · Jan 3rd, 2009, 02:25 AM

abbass ather, lol

hanibal · Jan 3rd, 2009, 02:31 AM

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Originally Posted by firenze

Who is denying their is no problem? I only disagree where people have only one solution of toppling government and having mid term elections. Give them time and let them come back to polls again.

Ps. In Faisalabad i talk with dad light is back for 16-20 hours.

Iam asking only one question???

What steps govt is taking to solve the problem? I know this crisis cannot be solved overnight, but i do like to see a ray of hope, based on govt.'s plan to kill this monster... is there any, all we have is the minister Raja Pervaiz Ashraf saying ya the crisis will end by 2009 and now he is saying yes it will end in december 2009, who knows when he give you new date.

Please enlighten me with the steps govt is taking to solve the issue...

The issues are:

After Flour, feul has vanished from the markets, only available on black market price

No electricity, govt. starts power cuts when ever they feel like, no warnings to the industrial units or what so ever, in result the economy will suffer more...

now this is not a SIN to ask govt to come up with a road map to solve these problems or is it a SIN and anyone who ask these question will be blamed for toppling the govt.

desert bird · Jan 3rd, 2009, 02:42 AM

http://express.com.pk/epaper/PoPupwi...&Date=20090103

desert bird · Jan 3rd, 2009, 02:48 AM

hanibal · Jan 3rd, 2009, 02:48 AM

^^ Now i guess, the ministers and other Jayalas will come ans blame the news paper for conspiracy agains the democratically elected govt.

There is nothing wrong in Pakistan, every tom dick and harry has job and every one is living as he is in Paradise, ofcourse this is what PPP govt thinks...

desert bird · Jan 3rd, 2009, 03:20 AM

^^ And this newspaper is generally consider as nuetral not anti-PPP

Zero_one · Jan 3rd, 2009, 06:47 AM

Well when it comes to electricity i can tell u a few things (as an electrical engineer).

To provide a average Pakistani Household (5-7 Person) with electricity (Guaranteed for about 20 years) it needs around 3.5 Lakh Rupees. I'm talking about Solar Energy. I've worked on Decentralized (Standalone) Solar Power plants of smaller scale in Benin and Burkina Faso (Western Africa).

This Power plant can produce upto 2 times the amount of Electricity in Pakistan it produces normally in Western European Countries. Since the majority of Pakistan has a at least 300 days of Sunshine its efficiency is without doubt quite high.

Some may argue what do when the sun goes down. Well for that matter there Power accumulators (in form of Batteries) which storage the electricity that is ot used during daylight and serves it in the night when its needed. These Batteries have a average life of 7 years. so all u'll need during the guaranteed 20 years is 2 times Batteries change.

My cousins Family lives near Sargodha and they pay an average of Rs. 1500/month = Rs. 3.6 Lakh for 20 Years.

BTW i took the 20 years as this is the period of guaranteed performance of the Solar Panels.

They r no movable parts so r is no abrasion.

I'm planning it do it for my cousins House. Will post a few pics and details later this year in the Tech section.

I know very few PPL can afford to invest Rs. 3.5 Lakh but at least the Government can try it in some areas.

Here in Germany where i live PPL have learned their lessons and every 2nd Home that's newly built the owner invests upto Rs. 10 Lakh for Solar. This is kinda Business coz these PPL don't use the produced electricity but feed it into the existing public network and get paid for it by upto 200% of an average kWh price. This in return means that after 5-6 years its paid off and after that time u can start earning money which isn't a small amount (on average Rs. 1.6 lakh/year).

So maybe time think differently get away from the traditional ways of producing electricity more towards cleaner and cost effective ways.

my 2 cents