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      Scholars may agree that dancing of a girl/woman in Islam is not allowed.But Does Sharia implement death penalty on this act ? If yes then whats the fate of 1000's of dancing girls in Punjab and Sindh theatres, Usman Peerzada dance festival, Lok dances, regional festival dances, Khatuk and classical dances , little school girls dancing on teblo, our Mehndi dances when girls dance on this happy occasion etc etc. Should all women doing this also be killed like that ?

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      Dancing girl 'murdered by Taliban after refusing to give up traditional performances despite death threats'


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      Last updated at 2:59 AM on 12th January 2009



      Shabana was killed after defying the Taliban's ban on dancing

      The Taliban has reportedly killed a traditional dancing girl in Pakistan, underlining its growing power in the the North-West Frontier Province.

      Shabana's bullet-riden body was found slumped on the ground in the centre of Mingora's Green Square, strewn with money, CD recordings of her performances and photographs from her albums.

      A Taliban leader later appeared on FM radio to admit the killing and warn the militant organisation would not tolerate any 'un-Islamic vices'.

      He said any other girls found performing in the city's Banr Bazaar would be killed 'one by one'.

      The last of the bazaar's celebrated dancing girls - once a 1000 strong industry - have reportedly packed up and fled to Karachi and Lahore, where their talents remain in great demand.

      A resident of Banr Bazaar, Fayaz, said dance performances had earned participants about 50,000 rupees (415) a night until the Taliban denounced them as prostitution.

      The narrow street where the performers plied their trade until last week now closes at 8pm and only residents can enter, while signs state:'We have stopped dancing, please do not knock on the door.'

      Shabana reportedly paid the price for publicly defying the Taliban's radio mullahs, ignoring personal warnings to stop performing and training young dancers.


      'On the eve of January 2, some men knocked at the door and asked for a dance party,' Shabana's father Qamar Gul reportedly said.

      'She instantly agreed and opened the room and asked the men to wait while she prepared herself.

      'When she returned the four men said: "Let us start." They seized her at gunpoint and told her they were going to slit her throat'

      The dancer reportedly cried for help and begged for her life, but she was dragged out of her house to Green Square and shot.

      The Taliban and the Pakistan Army have been fighting for control of the Swat Valley, where the millitant organisation recently ordered girls' schools and music shops to close and forced barbers to stop shaving beards.

      But with the woman's death and the dancers' banishment the Islamic extremist group has once again tightened its hold.



      Dancing girl 'murdered by Taliban after refusing to give up traditional performances despite death threats' | Mail Online
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      Forcing Girls to Marry Talibans


      SHAWAR: Swat women fading into oblivion
      By Sadia Qasim Shah

      PESHAWAR, Dec 30:



      Once an avid listener of Maulana Fazlullah’s FM radio, popularly known among rural women as Radio Maulana, a young woman from Swat doesn’t listen to the radio anymore.

      “Usually there is only dreadful news on the radio, so I stopped listening to it,” says 30-year-old Salma, a widow with three sons, who teaches at a primary school.

      A major reason among many others for her disenchantment is what she calls slaughter of human beings like chickens by Taliban.

      The Swat milieu is full of rumours these days since women have been confined to homes due to Taliban’s strict anti-women policies.

      Salma says that she recently heard something which shocked her. Taliban announced that families having grown up unmarried girls should announce it in a mosque so that their hand could be given in marriage, most probably to militants. If they don’t do so the girls would be forcibly married off, it is said.

      Salma is of the view that women in Swat are not safe even in their homes and their lives are embittered by chauvinist militants. One thing that disenchants her the most is cutting throats and body parts of human beings over petty things.

      Slowly she stopped listening to the radio sermons in the evening which usually ended with threatening directives most of the times for female over issues like education, their freedom of movement and work.

      Maulana Fazlullah led militants in Swat now called Tehrik-i-Taliban Swat chapter are reminiscent of Taliban rule in Afghanistan who used to beat burqa-clad women brutally if found outside their homes or without the company of a male family member.

      Taliban in Swat have also threatened women of dire punishment if they are found outside their homes without company of a male family member and identity cards. Couples should also carry ‘Nikah Naama’ or marriage certificate along with them when they venture out or they will be in trouble.

      “I have heard that Taliban have announced that if a girl above the age of seven is found outside her house she would be slaughtered,” Salma says. She tells this scribe how terrified she was when she recently took risk of going to hospital along with her three children for treatment as she had no male family member.

      Sometimes she listens to FM transmission at night (from 7pm to 8pm) not out of devotion but out of curiosity to see what announcements will be made by Taliban.

      Recently Taliban’s announcement of banning girls’ education has not only upset Salma and her primary level girl students but also her colleagues – most of them are sole bread-earners of the poor families.

      “My colleagues were crying when they heard this bad news. Some have aged handicapped parents while others have lost their male members in the ongoing conflict,” Salma says.

      “Our principal has said that all female teachers should write down their domestic problems forcing them to work so that they could be forwarded to Taliban who would be requested to review their policy about women’s education,” Salma says.

      Many women unable to go out for work have set up shops, selling cloth, shoes and other female accessories at their homes but it is a risky job even to go out for shopping from these house-based shops, Salma adds.

      Husband of one such woman shopkeeper says that he recently faced losses when he bought fashionable black burqas from Peshawar worth Rs100,000. Nobody bought it as Taliban have ordered women in Swat to wear only ‘shuttlecock’ type of burqas.

      A local social worker says on condition of anonymity for his safety that more than a dozen women have been shot dead for their involvement in allegedly ‘immoral activities’. Women who go out for work especially social work are tagged as ‘immoral’ and eliminated by the militants controlling the area, he adds.

      Bakht Zeba, a 45-year-old woman councillor, who was a staunch supporter of girls’ education was brutally murdered on the morning of Nov 25. Bakht Zeba, who has young sons and married daughters herself, used to collect uniforms and text-books for poor girls and even used to engage herself in other social welfare activities like raising funds for dowry for young girls from poor families.

      But all such activities are deemed as ‘immoral activities’ by Taliban controlling the area, say the locals who plead not to be named for their own security.

      She was first threatened by Taliban to stop her activities or face dire consequences which she did not pay heed to. They riddled her body with bullets in her house the very next day.


      PESHAWAR: Swat women fading into oblivion -DAWN - Local; December 31, 2008

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      Maulvi yon to allergic hain wujood-e-zun sey
      Beewiyan phir bhi woh rakhte hain kabhi do kabhi chaar
      Tabsarah iss pe kiya Hazrat Iqbal ney khoob
      Aah bechaaron k aasaab pe aurat hai sawaar
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      And which sharia are we talking about here? the politically motivated laws of the self-righteous Taliban or real Islam?

      This was nothing but blatant abuse of power.
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      Quote Originally Posted by GoldenAsif View Post
      Maulvi yon to allergic hain wujood-e-zun sey
      Beewiyan phir bhi woh rakhte hain kabhi do kabhi chaar
      Tabsarah iss pe kiya Hazrat Iqbal ney khoob
      Aah bechaaron k aasaab pe aurat hai sawaar
      Zia-ul-Haq Qasmi

      And which sharia are we talking about here? the politically motivated laws of the self-righteous Taliban or real Islam?

      This was nothing but blatant abuse of power.
      With all due respect to ur views, may we know what should be shariyah-abiding fate of those poor girls?

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      desert bird,

      You have posted in support of the "freedom fighting" Talibans in Afghanistan. Now realize that if those guys get their way, they will not stop at the Durand line (which they don't recognize) and this will be the fate of our sisters and neices and cousins. Today it is dancing, tomorrow it is not wearing shuttlecock or even wearing chooris that make too much noise.

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      I thought there was a consensus that the taliban 'version' of Islam is not a generally accepted one. Why bring this up again and again?

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      Quote Originally Posted by Raj_ind View Post
      With all due respect to ur views, may we know what should be shariyah-abiding fate of those poor girls?
      Let those Taliban first enforce Islam on themselves then we can talk about "sharia" until then its nothing more than jungle law.
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      Quote Originally Posted by omairhr View Post
      I thought there was a consensus that the taliban 'version' of Islam is not a generally accepted one. Why bring this up again and again?
      Why bring it up? Because cybermullahs and net jihadis here should be made to see this again and again. Anyone that supports Taliban as "freedom fighters" in Afghanistan should be made to understand that if they succeed in Afghanistan, they will expand their ideology across the Khyber and even across the Indus. This will not stop in Bajur or Peshawar or even Attock. The Lahore blasts are the latest warning in the eastern parts of our country.

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      Quote Originally Posted by JaanBaazz View Post
      Because cybermullahs and net jihadis here.
      Can we have a list of these mythical cyber mullahs and net jihadis?

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      ^ These are not 'mythical', some are banned while some avoid these threads. Examples are Sharaabi, Crescent_ etc. Some will claim "not supporters" but will defend their namesake "shariah enforcement".
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      Quote Originally Posted by Moonshiner View Post
      Can we have a list of these mythical cyber mullahs and net jihadis?
      Just read any thread with "Taliban" in it and see the trends. Even our thread starter desert bird sahib is one of the people I had an interesting discussion with on this topic.

      The discussion goes something like this:

      Cybermullah: Taliban are heroes and freedom fighters and Alhamdolillah they are succeeding in Afghanistan

      Liberal Guppies: Lekin sir jee, if they succeed, won't they bring back the barbaric rule

      Cybermullah: That is just western propaganda. Talibans will now moderate themselves

      Liberal Guppie: But are they not sprading extremism within Pakistan?

      Cybermullah: Some of these people are misguided and should be straightened out

      Liberal Guppie: But how can you call blowing up voting booths and girls schools as just "misguided"

      Cybermullah: Those people like Baitullah Mahsud are not the "real Taliban" They are RAW/CIA paid people who malign the Taliban

      Liberal Guppie: But why did our senior Generals hold press conferences declaring Baitullah and Fazlullah as "Pakistani patriots" recently if they are known to be RAW agents?

      Cybermullah: You must be a RAW agent!
      End of discussion

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      Quote Originally Posted by Raj_ind View Post
      With all due respect to ur views, may we know what should be shariyah-abiding fate of those poor girls?
      Islam does not prevent singing and dancing but it forbids anything that is provocative or stimulates peoples desires whether it be among men or women. Men and women dancing together is not allowed except when a wife dances in front of her husband and ofcourse mujras or dances of the kind mentioned above are not allowed in Islam. I am no scholar but I don't think such 'immoral' acts are punishable by death. Dancing that is seen in weddings is not meant to be sexually provocative to anyone, so perhaps it is allowed, but again I am no scholar. There are many muslims who drink (which is unlawful) but does it mean we go and kill them!!

      The Prophet pbuh himself used to encourage his people to sing and rejoice on special occasions, and the Quran encourages us to beautify our voices when reciting it.

      And as I understand it one of the imams Imam Shafiee was fairly relaxed on the matter of dancing. As per one Hadeeth, the Prophet Pbuh saw a group of Abyssinians (people of Ethiopia who were famous for singing and dancing) in the Mosque and did not stop them. Therefore this will be classed as tacit approval from the Propht Pbuh. It is also stated that the Prophet allowed his wife Hazrar Ayesha to see the dance of the Abyssinians.

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      These girls are made to dance in front of hords of men to music and money is showered upon them. They are usually chaparoned by their own brothers and fathers whoi either play the music or sit and wait to collect the money, fightign with the kids for it when the audience throw money on the girls.

      They do sexually provocative dancing - in fact all froms of public dancing is considered sexually provocative especially in areas where women barely reveal faces.

      Why do you think men hire eunuchs and female dancers to weddings? No one is their to discuss the artistic side of dance. In pakisatn dancing is considered a very low class thing to do. men who dance too much have their masculinity questionned. Its fine to dance at a wedding or special occasion or even as get together.

      I dont think its a bad thing the taliban ban this type of dancing after all these women dont really do it out of their own choice.

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      ^^ It's interesting you focus on the "dancing" to deflect away from the Taliban's barbarian behaviour.

      I dont think its a bad thing the taliban ban this type
      The Taliban have no authority to ban anything. We have a government and rule of law. BTW, murdering someone in public is not the same as banning, in most places.

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      Quote Originally Posted by thejoke View Post
      I dont think its a bad thing the taliban ban this type of dancing after all these women dont really do it out of their own choice.
      So I guess its okay when they burn down those 'theatres', 'cinemas', 'girls school/colleges', afterall what are these for when women's only place is their home and produce children.
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      People of Pakistan.. please get out from the cave mentality, .. or i will assure you the whole educated/civilized world will make you history.. and how they will make you history .. a trailer is going in form of drone attacks.. !
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      Absolutely SICKENING.

      You know why they're doing this right - control the womenfolk, including the women of the men fighting the Taliban - i.e. you've conquered your enemy.

      Think about it - if you were running a military-esque operation, and you wanted full control of your opposition, what better way to do it than plunder and pillage the womenfolk? Its a commonly seen phenomenon in history, except, its usually not played out like this. Its usually played out in the form of rape and sexual harassment and threats - but that would undermine the entire halo-over-our-heads-we-preach-to-you-God's-message tactic they use to get into your homes in the first place. Notice how some time ago, everyone in NWFP was avidly listening to radio mullah, and now people are so disgusted that they only listen to it out of fear to find out what they're not supposed to do, so they don't end up hanging in the village square.

      These are evil times people. Evil times when shaitaan infiltrates your own God-fearing people and has people dance to his tune. And we even have our own little jihaadi here online who is defending the devil's work: thejoke.

      Thejoke, you REALLY defend the KILLING of women who are dancers? Its fine if you want to debate the sin of women dancing for prostitution - in fact, I say go after the pimps who put them out in society (cough cough, men). But KILLING these people is not a proportional punishment, and do you remember where our mullahs yell and scream about proportionality? Gaza.

      Just think about that for a second, before you post the most RIDICULOUS comments online.

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      social injustices in a nation, where rich women and men, are self indulgent to a point that it is sickening; where the middle class is rotten quiet due to scare for its own survival, to a point that it is deafening; where the poor are so poor that the low life insects probably live better off then them; where the govt is wretched to a point, that it will actually inspire a one legged old man, to begin walking AWAY from it, there, what is injustice, when a self-relying woman is brutally killed merely on the basis of a screwed up mentality - a cross between a self created version of puritanical religiosity and persecution of lives.
      meanwhile, men who call themselves saviors of law and order are vicious savages.
      Difference between God and humankind: God can say, 'be', and it becomes, but humankind has to act on what it says.

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