Government sponsors Khatm-e-Nabuwwat conference [merged]

test01 · Apr 11th, 2009, 08:44 AM

Government of Punjab under Shehbaz Sharif is currently supporting a movement of inciting intense hatred against Ahmadis putting Ahmadi lives in danger...and then we wonder why there is so much extremism in the country...

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Tuhafzai Khatmai Nubawat (TKN) claims to be a worldwide religious organization to protect the finality of the Prophet hood of Muhammad (SAW). However, this organization has done little to protect the name of Islam’s beloved Prophet. Instead, TKN engages in activities that are diametrically opposed to his teachings of peace and tolerance. The Ahmadiyya Muslim Community(AMC), a peaceful global religious community, has been the chief target of TKN’s unwarranted, inhumane and violent terrorist activities.

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TKN’s recent activities in Pakistan are shocking. Recent assemblage in Multan and Faisalabad, jointly with Pakistan Muslim League (Nawaz Group) parliamentarians, have provoked and incited hatred and rage against Ahmadis. With these current trends, the Punjab Government is shaping up to create a law and order situation similar to the anti-Ahmadiyya disturbances of 1953 when TKN and its predecessors fanned hatred against Ahmadis resulting in wide scale riots in the country. Many Ahmadis lost their lives.

A leading Pakistan Urdu language newspaper published in its issue of February18, 2009 that there was an impending danger of an extremist attack on hundreds of Ahmadi religious centers all over Punjab, as well as business enterprises. The violence against Ahmadis has been escalating. Even governmental intelligence agencies have been warning of a spike in anti-Ahmadiyya violence in Punjab.

Under these circumstances, the decision of the Punjab Government to sponsor a TKN public meeting to be held on April 11th , 2009 at the biggest mosque in Lahore is appalling. Provocative and hateful public billboards publicizing this gathering of hate mongers are being displayed all over Lahore. Its announcement is inexorably detestable and exceedingly inflammable (see attached). The sole purpose of this meeting is to incite hatred against Ahmadis. The Punjab Government, instead of preventing these extremists, is actively encouraging them.

Unless TKN and the PML (N) are stopped now, they will succeed in stirring up further unrest in Pakistan and at a time when a stable Pakistan is the need of the hour, these elements will destabilize it further.

Government of Punjab is Conspiring to Incite Hatred Against Ahmadis

Slickstar · Apr 11th, 2009, 08:57 AM

Many guppies would welcome this.

bitter_reality · Apr 11th, 2009, 11:01 AM

Shahbaz Shareef is a good Pakistani and he lives in hearts of millions of Pakistanies. Please don't try to defame him. Nawaz and shahbaz are lions of Pakistan ---and they are not against Qadyanies . The shareef brothers have other important things to do and Mega Level why would they indulge in small invisible affairs....I dont think so..they even know who qadyanies are!

Jefferson · Apr 11th, 2009, 05:08 PM

This is appalling. Muslims in general and Pakistanis in particular always wail "why is the 'Muslim world' behind the rest of the world?". One major reason is the concept of equal rights is practiced in almost every successful country (notice that the president of the most successful country in the world is a minority!). Compare that to the situation in Pakistan, Saudi Irb, Iran, etc. Even India has a religious minority as its prime minister and an ethnic minority as the leader of its ruling party.

junaid001 · Apr 11th, 2009, 06:16 PM

auqaf dept should know salaries they get may have some portion of taxes paid by ahmedis as well.

by the way its looks so mean and shows thick heads are all around at top in our religious establishments.

only one way to counter ahmedi movement if someone wishes to is through reason not through violence this way you would make the community more protective, secretive, which is no way good for the country as no matter one likes it or not they are our country men and legally they enjoy all the rights we may have they are also the sons of soil as any other pakistani is.

Ajju · Apr 11th, 2009, 08:35 PM

So what does the "Khatam-e-Nabuwat" conference intends to accomplish. Mullahs have had all their wishes made into laws when it comes to Ahamdis. What are there demands now? Ahmadi's are already third class citizens with no legal rights. What more do they want now?

eleventyone · Apr 12th, 2009, 11:36 AM

I read in nawai-e-waqt that the federal minister for religious affairs hamid kazmi was one of the speakers (can't post the link but you can read it on the front page of the nawai waqt website). Does anyone have any more details about the auqaf dept.'s sponsorship of the conference?

Bigboi · Apr 12th, 2009, 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Ajju

So what does the "Khatam-e-Nabuwat" conference intends to accomplish. Mullahs have had all their wishes made into laws when it comes to Ahamdis. What are there demands now? Ahmadi's are already third class citizens with no legal rights. What more do they want now?

The elimiation of Ahmadies

firenze · Apr 12th, 2009, 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Jefferson

This is appalling. Muslims in general and Pakistanis in particular always wail "why is the 'Muslim world' behind the rest of the world?". One major reason is the concept of equal rights is practiced in almost every successful country (notice that the president of the most successful country in the world is a minority!). Compare that to the situation in Pakistan, Saudi Irb, Iran, etc. Even India has a religious minority as its prime minister and an ethnic minority as the leader of its ruling party.

test01 · Apr 12th, 2009, 03:55 PM

Just when Pakistanis need a positive message from their leadership to fight extremisms and become prosperous…government is supporting hate conferences to promote hatred in the society… as if the society needs any more of it…

Speakers at the conference equated Ahmadi Islam as blasphemous and demanded death penalty for it. They said that spread of Ahmadiyyat can not be stopped without implementing this [death] sentence. [Note: This is an admission by Mullahs that short of killing Ahmadis there is no way the true Islam can be stopped, does it remind anyone of Kuffar-e-Mecca and what they did to Sahaba?]. The speakers demanded implementation of death sentence for apostasy to curtail Ahmadiyyat. The speakers also demanded boycott of Ahmadis and Ahmadi products [whatever that is] and also kicking out Ahmadis form jobs.

Participants included; Federal Minister of Religious Affairs Hamid Kazmi, Muslim League Nawaz (ruling party in Punjab)’s chief Zulfiqar Khosa, religious extremists known for extremist views and support of terrorism against Ahmadis and others and supporters of Talibans; deobandi molivs and muftis, Jamaat Islami, Dr Israr Ahmad and others.

Proceedings of the conference (Daily Express, Urdu)

Proceedings of the conference (Daily Jang, Urdu)

Federal minister of religious affairs Hamid Kazmi addressing the conference (Urdu)

Is there another nation is the world that is so keen to get to the dark ages so quickly?

Destino · Apr 12th, 2009, 06:37 PM

1953, 1974.... 2009??

Khehkeshan · Apr 12th, 2009, 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by test01

Is there another nation is the world that is so keen to get to the dark ages so quickly?

Anything mullahs touch becomes like this. The moment you mix religion with politics, this will happen.

Forget about this, I have seen videos of taliban stoning people in Pakistan. The must brutal thing I have ever witnessed. Even more so then beheading I think.

bitter_reality · Apr 12th, 2009, 08:34 PM

I don't think they demanded death for Qadyanies. I think its just to celebrate the occasion when qadyanies were declared kaffirs legally by Superme Court of Pakistan. There is consensus amongst all Islamic Scholars that Mirzais are not Muslim

This conference is not against Mirzais but just to celebrate what muslims of Pakistan achieved in 1973

Jefferson · Apr 12th, 2009, 08:46 PM

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This conference is not against Mirzais but just to celebrate what muslims of Pakistan achieved in 1973

What they "achieved" was what would be 17th century bigtory in advanced countries...Name one non-Muslim country that still has such bigoted religious apartheid laws on the books.

bitter_reality · Apr 12th, 2009, 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Jefferson

What they "achieved" was what would be 17th century bigtory in advanced countries...Name one non-Muslim country that still has such bigoted religious apartheid laws on the books.

Well I as a muslim cannot claim in USA, Canada or in Europe that i am a Christian. Try collecting charity in any christian country in name of church.....and tell them that you dont believe in Jesus ........but you consider yourself a christian . Please try that and tell us the results.

If I list myself as an aboriginal ( which is a fake claim), the Government of Canada will take legal action against me. Qadyanies must accept the fact that they have their own prophet and hence not Muslims

Slickstar · Apr 12th, 2009, 09:28 PM

nice. The great lord above specifically told us anyone who considered themselves a Muslim and does not believe Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) is the last prophet, must be executed.
god bless.
kthanksbye

test01 · Apr 13th, 2009, 12:17 AM

1953 and 1974-like situation being created again by the Right Wing

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Pakistan is a dangerous point in its history. We need a united front against the forces of religious extremism. Remember these forces had opposed the creation tooth and nail and had called it Kafiristan then. PML-N has an important role in this fight. It must purge itself of Maududian forces within itself, distance itself from terrorism and fanaticism. All three national parties- the PPP, PML-Q and PML-N must stand for Jinnah’s secular democratic and egalitarian Pakistan and they must do so NOW clearly and consistently! If this United front is not achieved, Pakistan ka khuda hi hafiz hai.

hanibal · Apr 13th, 2009, 01:26 AM

Ahmadi will die crying... accept your status as minority and enjoy the rights given to you.. why call yourself muslim when you are declared and accepted non-muslims..

hanibal · Apr 13th, 2009, 01:32 AM

^^ Now Ahmadies are speaking out... they want them to be recognized as muslims... thats why they have this problem with Khatam-e-Nabuwat Conf. as these people continuously remind others about the believes of Ahmadies .. i think thats why these Ahmadies are so pissed off and whinning as usual...

Khehkeshan · Apr 13th, 2009, 03:49 AM

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Originally Posted by hanibal

Ahmadi will die crying... accept your status as minority and enjoy the rights given to you.. why call yourself muslim when you are declared and accepted non-muslims..

Jamaat style tolerance - good deal