Yes, indeed. Salute to our brave armed forces who are fighting dark-age barbarian salvages. These salvages have no value for human life. InshAllah we will defeat them, and take Pakistan forward as modern, progressive democratic state.
I wish we had wisdom and insight to distinguish as to who we need to fight with, I wish we were not to clap over a pool of blood sucked out of our own veins.
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Well whose veins the blood comes out of when your insurgents kill local government officials, policemen and general population, oh King of selective Pacifists?
It's called a war for a reason. To think innocents do not die in war is to blind yourself to reality. I too wish the pakistani army used better tactics, but that's not under my control. War has been imposed on pakistan by the taliban.
that is truly a matter of opinion, unless the govt of pakistan has exhausted all and every available mean of peace that cannot be said. i have gone around this one with you long enough for you to know my opinion. can the govt of pakistan truly claim all means have been exhausted? and can they provide credibility of this claim?
It's called a war for a reason. To think innocents do not die in war is to blind yourself to reality. I too wish the pakistani army used better tactics, but that's not under my control. War has been imposed on pakistan by the taliban.
i value pakistani army, i respect the blood being shed.i also respect the human life that is suffering on the other side, they are also our jawans, our children and our country. i also happen to disagree with the necessity of this operation. i donot blame the army for they follow the command, i blame those who control the army. that is why i cannot cheer them along on a mission that will be the demise of unity in our nation.
You have to dehumanize the enemy a little bit, otherwise it becomes harder to kill them as has been the case in pakistan. This is why we have had so many peace deals which have emboldened the talibs to this point.
on the contrary you can see dehumanising of enemy leads to misery and human rights abuse which can be witnessed all over the globe including inside pakistan.
famous ones
abu gharib prison, guntanamo bay, the incident where the talibans were rounded up in afghanistan and locked in trailer and later died while trying to lick of sweat of each others body in a futile attempt to rescue themselves, another one would be the prisoners of war that were captured by pakistani officials and marched naked by american army inside our borders, various civilian from these very areas which were rounded up handed over and taken by american (afia siddiquis case) denied the habeas corpus and our govt tolerated all of this. how many civilians have we tried to get back from guntanamo bay? that is the sort of treatment dehumanisation leads to . with these stellar records under our govt's belt ,i hope you know what you are advocating.
Well whose veins the blood comes out of when your insurgents kill local government officials, policemen and general population, oh King of selective Pacifists?
Sir, had you dug a little you would have noticed that I don't affiliate myself either with the throat slitter hiding behind shariah while accepting arms and money from our enemies nor do I stand with the army of liberal intelligentsia who want to destroy every home that stands in the way of liberal fascism, promoting a culture of obscenity and hate against any and everyone who feels proud to be associated with the norms of true shariah.
I am against this illegitimate war coming out of the womb of illicit wedlock of slavery, I am against the smoke screen behind which a tyrant accepts slavery for a nation for as cheap as eight years of despotic rule pushing our beloved homeland into a quagmire of ethnic and sectarian hate, I am against the culture of use and defuse where by human beings are used for one purpose and trashed when no longer required. I am against a culture of creating a chaos, nurturing it and then fighting against it in the name of security without giving any regard to innocent lives who become victim because we have coined a word behind which we can hide an ocean of innocent blood, indeed it is “Collateral damage”
Sir, do dig a little, sift through the history of civilian insurgency and come up with a evidence whereby gun has settled an issue for ever, come up with a conviction that once army has done its job peace will prevail while reasons for uprising still loom over the horizon of fragile peace, where injustice is justice for those who can't afford to "buy" justice for themselves.
Politics is not merely an art of crafting ways to be affluent, politics is a way of state craft where dialogue is the weapon that fires the logic of satisfaction, where issues are settled on the table and settled before they grow into political monsters. From Lal Masjid to Fata, and from Baluchistan to Bonier, we played with the issues, cuddling them like pets and use them to secure our illegitimate and despotic rule, indeed we have grown a crop of heads and the be header is our own protector.
Sir, to me life is sacred no matter what color and what skin envelopes it. I want justice for the culprits; justice only after a crime is proved and substantiated with indisputable evidence not merely a word of mouth.
I hope I have made myself clear, did I?
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Politics is not merely an art of crafting ways to be affluent, politics is a way of state craft where dialogue is the weapon that fires the logic of satisfaction, where issues are settled on the table and settled before they grow into political monsters. From Lal Masjid to Fata, and from Baluchistan to Bonier, we played with the issues, cuddling them like pets and use them to secure our illegitimate and despotic rule, indeed we have grown a crop of heads and the be header is our own protector.
what a breath of fresh air. to criticise one is not ally with another. and you certainly have a way with words
following your line of thought what is the difference if we bomb the entire place down? no difference, no moral high ground.
Moral high ground? Tell that to families of soldiers and policemen slaughter by Taliban on camera.
When you're fighting ruthless barbarian salvages there is no moral high ground. Either you kill them or you get killed. This is our war & we will bring these killers to justice or we will take justice to them inshAllah.
^ perhaps you should tell that to the nameless families of those affected as a result of these operations. inshAllah in strategis like yours always reminds me of arguments produced by those "savages".
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This is the time to show solidarity with our brave jawans who are fighting terrorists. Whether we are in favour or against the govt. doesn't matter. This is the time to stand shoulder by shoulder with our brave forces.
This thread is to show solidarity with them.
We salute our brave men and assure them that we are with them. :Salute:
Go get them and enforce the writ of the state of Pakistan again.
It is Pakistan which is under attack.
Long live Pakistan.
I endorse Firenze's suggestion of sending cards to show solidarity with our armed forces!!!
Apne citizens ko marne me to sheer hai! But when will they challenge the american drones flying in and killing innocent pple? However I do support them when they are fighting the talibs
Apne citizens ko marne me to sheer hai! But when will they challenge the american drones flying in and killing innocent pple? However I do support them when they are fighting the talibs
lol this reminds me of what the late legendary poet ahmed faraz said in his last appearance on hamid mir's show capital talk. the guy spoke the truth, no matter how bitter it was.
Second star to the right and straight on till morning
And those glorifying and creating by posting the war songs like there was a war going on against india, keep it on the low down and be humble, seriously. Every time Pakistan Army has fought its own people inside of Pakistan, no matter who is right or wrong or what the circumstances were, its always been a huge disaster. The best thing we can hope for is them entering the Swat area, and not facing any resistance and allowing them to establish control in the area. Bloodshed over there will only make people more wary.
following your line of thought what is the difference if we bomb the entire place down? no difference, no moral high ground.
I'm not suggesting bombing the entire place, nor army is in favor of that. Army evacuates area that comes under fire then fires at militants unlike militants who blow themselves up in mosques, bazaars, buses etc.
Pakistan Army Zindabad.
This is going to be a war between ideologies......and to save Pakistan....but it will be the start of something which will be replayed in every Muslim country.....We have to defeat these barbarians.
Pakistan Paindabad.
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