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May 13th, 2009, 03:06 PM
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What was an unthinkable scenario a few years ago is being discussed now in every home in Pakistan, a possibility that will not go away by closing our eyes, or by waving our fists in a rage on an invisible enemy that has played an immaculate game, employing our own rulers, our own protectors and our own weaknesses in general to defeat us in a battle ground that we laid down for it with a passion. Our nation has been and is being used as pawns on a grand chess board, a dispensable live commodity whose blood paints the surface for the players of international stature.
Lack of statesmen ship and political wisdom on the part of our political and khaki leadership has made this task as joyful as downhill slide on a surface of polished ice for our enemies. We have lost control over the course of events; lost power to decide for ourselves, we are like a man lost in woods suddenly loses his eye sight also, a hope for the savior is the last hope, but what if our perceived savior is in fact a predator?
On home and external front our leaders have been amazingly ambiguous, indeterminate and enigmatic; statements pertaining to very important issues from the highest quarters of ruling alliance never resonate with a statement from another high rank office holder. We sign peace accords with so called terrorist and next day break them on the command of our foreign friends, we want peace without giving it a chance to prevail, we want gun to be negotiator of harmony, we want love to be cherished and practiced in pool of our own blood.
Pakistan has become a permanent pit stop of international bigotry; every so called power, regional and beyond, has opened up a shop where they sell their own interests, the bigger the business the more buyers it attracts, behind every shop stands a common purpose, a common perception and a common agenda. None of them is our friend, none of them is working to strengthen Pakistan; none of them wants a strong and prosperous Pakistan, an Islamic state with nukes in the heart of Asia.
There are many players involved in the quest to balkanize Pakistan, many devils in the skin of angels, many wolves in the skin of sheep, many herbivorous who hide their K9, till their prey becomes a cadaver, the smell of resources have attracted these predators across the waters of Atlantic.
(to be continued).
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May 13th, 2009, 03:20 PM
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same topic was posted sometime back, now posted again, why some people at this critical time, when Pakistan is officially at war are bringing up these kind of topics...
Same stories used to be told in 80s and then in 90s giving dates for disintegration of Pakistan, Anti-Pakistan forces used to and still believe these dates and setup their celebration days, but one by one all the dates just passed and Pakistan is still there...rising above the crisis after crisis..
Current crisis is one of its kind, but Pakistan, with the grace of Allah all mighty, Pakistan will rise above this situation, the nation is united, the parasites and anti-Pakistan forces are gettting exposed...
I thought the Admins and Mods decided zero tolerance policy towards negative positng, during the times of war, our Jawans are in middle of the battle field, sacrificing their lives and some people are busy spreading dis-appointment in the society...
Standing for what you believe in, regardless of the odds against you, and the pressure that tears at your resistance, means courage
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May 13th, 2009, 03:29 PM
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^ I think you only read the topic, never read the contents. I will be negative about myself before posting anything negative about Pakistan. A prognosis of a disease is helpful only when thorough diagnosis has been done. It is funny that one who raises an eye brow is considered of "spreading disappointment" in a society.
God Bless you and many like minded.
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May 13th, 2009, 03:42 PM
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^^ Balkanization of Pakistan was positive title??? is that how u start ur conversation??? with a negative remarks??
Your topic is talking more on disintegration and less on the positve side, so untill and unless you release 2nd or 3rd or 4th episode of ur thesis, no body ( specially me) have any idea that u gonna give the topic a positive end...
More interesting part, people with ur mindset normally to create audience ship or something of this sort, try to put up MASALA and keep the viewers on hold by saying TO BE CONTINUED.. if all the cards are open, if every conspiracy of the world is revealed, then y not post the complete essay, y divide it into episodes like it is a comic show...
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May 13th, 2009, 03:44 PM
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^^ have you forgotten about East Pakistan?
or BLA in Balochistan or MQM in Karachi or Taliban in FATA and NWFP?
don't tell me you are so naive that you can't think that this is possible
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May 13th, 2009, 03:53 PM
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and u r telling me that these organization will just cut pakistan into pieces!!! and Pakistani forces will stand there and watch it falling apart.... are u so navie!!!
jindullah and others are working for decades to take their part from Iran, BLA shall be dead as soon as ur indian friends will be set out of power in Afghanistan... Taliban are already on run, just for ur info, Buner has been opened to red-cross.. i wonder u know what that mean and if you can take it as postive news ( as you only bank on the news site, which says things opposing Pakistan.. may be company of some tube friends have made u like this)... and InshaAlla there will be more good news to follow!!! so it may end of wet dreams of mind-sets like of yours
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May 13th, 2009, 03:55 PM
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Now the title is more like it!!!
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May 13th, 2009, 03:57 PM
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Originally Posted by hanibal
^^ Balkanization of Pakistan was positive title??? is that how u start ur conversation??? with a negative remarks??
Your topic is talking more on disintegration and less on the positve side, so untill and unless you release 2nd or 3rd or 4th episode of ur thesis, no body ( specially me) have any idea that u gonna give the topic a positive end...
More interesting part, people with ur mindset normally to create audience ship or something of this sort, try to put up MASALA and keep the viewers on hold by saying TO BE CONTINUED.. if all the cards are open, if every conspiracy of the world is revealed, then y not post the complete essay, y divide it into episodes like it is a comic show...
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Mr Hanibal, Pakistan can and will ( Inshallah) survive but not with approach of bare bone positive mind set unless some one puts the verbal rhetoric into practical steps, unfortunately none among the crowd of political leadership is capable of doing that.
Do you really believe I need "Masala" to catch attention? Do you really consider my words more painful than reality on the ground, if so you should start looking into reality because long phase of denial is dangerous.
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May 13th, 2009, 03:58 PM
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Originally Posted by mercenary2k
^^ have you forgotten about East Pakistan?
or BLA in Balochistan or MQM in Karachi or Taliban in FATA and NWFP?
don't tell me you are so naive that you can't think that this is possible
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mqm is not a security risk for pakistan....there is no doubt abt tht..yes there r some criminal elements in mqm but they know tht they have nowhere to go except pak..
taliban in fata r heavily funded by india,russia,america,israel,afghanistan,britain and iran..yes they r the biggest security threat to pak but if our army is capable to handle them..wht our army needs to do is to come out of american camp..and u will see how tribal belt becomes hell for americans indian and iranis
bla power as we all know comes from kabul or delhi..they r not at all capable of separating balochistan..there r number of pashtoons makranis in balochistan who want to remain part of pak..and balochis r the victim of federal govt corruption..bla is only capable of blowing up railway lines etc..separating movement can only be successful if u have they have sincere leadership and clear future vision and the leadership of sepparatist is nothing but bunch of thugs who r smugglers of heroine,cars,women..kill their ladies just on doubt..they move in plenty of prado,s but poor people remain ****..
all the problems in pak come from lack of sincere,capable,effective leadership..there is no such thing as administration in pak...otherwise these things would have neva become such massive problems
- NIMAZ PARH LO ISSAY PEHLAY KAY APP KI NIMAZ PARH DI JAYE -
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May 13th, 2009, 04:05 PM
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to bring destruction to our enemies..its the rite time for our intelligence to suuprot afghhani talibans and ask them to destroy training camps run by raw and afghan intelligence..
i have become sick of seeing dead bodies of our people..i have become sick of indian and american role in pak destruction..time has come tht we should payback wht they deserve and there should be no mercy..i m happy tht our intelligence r supporting talibans in afghanistan
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May 13th, 2009, 04:08 PM
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Originally Posted by hanibal
and u r telling me that these organization will just cut pakistan into pieces!!! and Pakistani forces will stand there and watch it falling apart.... are u so navie!!!
jindullah and others are working for decades to take their part from Iran, BLA shall be dead as soon as ur indian friends will be set out of power in Afghanistan... Taliban are already on run, just for ur info, Buner has been opened to red-cross.. i wonder u know what that mean and if you can take it as postive news ( as you only bank on the news site, which says things opposing Pakistan.. may be company of some tube friends have made u like this)... and InshaAlla there will be more good news to follow!!! so it may end of wet dreams of mind-sets like of yours
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Have you forgotten East Pakistan?
or Taliban taking over Swat and Buner and burning and driving out government officials
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May 13th, 2009, 04:09 PM
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mqm is not a security risk for pakistan....there is no doubt abt tht..yes there r some criminal elements in mqm but they know tht they have nowhere to go except pak..
taliban in fata r heavily funded by india,russia,america,israel,afghanistan,britain and iran..yes they r the biggest security threat to pak but if our army is capable to handle them..wht our army needs to do is to come out of american camp..and u will see how tribal belt becomes hell for americans indian and iranis
bla power as we all know comes from kabul or delhi..they r not at all capable of separating balochistan..there r number of pashtoons makranis in balochistan who want to remain part of pak..and balochis r the victim of federal govt corruption..bla is only capable of blowing up railway lines etc..separating movement can only be successful if u have they have sincere leadership and clear future vision and the leadership of sepparatist is nothing but bunch of thugs who r smugglers of heroine,cars,women..kill their ladies just on doubt..they move in plenty of prado,s but poor people remain ****..
all the problems in pak come from lack of sincere,capable,effective leadership..there is no such thing as administration in pak...otherwise these things would have neva become such massive problems
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You lost me there with that nonsense 
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May 13th, 2009, 04:11 PM
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wht is nonsense in tht u einstein
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May 13th, 2009, 04:13 PM
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^^ its the highlighted the bold part
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May 13th, 2009, 04:13 PM
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truth surfer most here buy the propoganda but your posts are worth reading 
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May 13th, 2009, 04:14 PM
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truth surfer most here buy the propoganda but your posts are worth reading 
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truth surfer also claims that there is air in outer space 
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May 13th, 2009, 04:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Truth_Surfer
Mr Hanibal, Pakistan can and will ( Inshallah) survive but not with approach of bare bone positive mind set unless some one puts the verbal rhetoric into practical steps, unfortunately none among the crowd of political leadership is capable of doing that.
Do you really believe I need "Masala" to catch attention? Do you really consider my words more painful than reality on the ground, if so you should start looking into reality because long phase of denial is dangerous.
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Does this amazes you!!!
Pakistan in last sixty year, i.e. after the death of Quaid-e-Azam and Quaid-e-Milllat, never got a leader, there were times when we have governor general Ghulam Mohammad, who was suffering from paralises and at the sametime ruling the country, then there was dictator like Ayoub, who did everything to keep his power center strong, but worked to weaken the very foundations of Pakistan, which resulted in 1971, and then there was bhuto, who did some good tasks, but overall did nothing to improve the life or develop Pakistan and then came all time hero the ameer-ul-momineen, Zia ul haq, who brought in all the evils which we are dealing with... than the nation was taken over by a game of musical chair which ended with the by another dictator, who did nothing but tried his best to destablize Pakistan....
and still Pakistan survived!!! there is something, isn't it!!! need less to tell that, all the time, we had a neighbour like India and for almost 20 years two different super-powers sat on our northern borders, our agencies, army and overall establishment had limited resources, way to limited than these powers and India had, but still they fought for their survival, and that was then and now, the common Pakistani is on move, may it be supreme Court or strongest dictator of all time, they cannot stand against common man...
I'll rest my case here..
there were plenty who use to say that even the creation of Pakistan is dream of nut-case poet...
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May 13th, 2009, 04:18 PM
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Originally Posted by mercenary2k
Have you forgotten East Pakistan?
or Taliban taking over Swat and Buner and burning and driving out government officials
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I suggest u get some cable connection and stop depending on the information provided to u by ur tube friends...
a person who think Zia named Pakistan a Islamic republic, who is not sure about the date of creation of Pakistan is telling me that what is going on in boner, if you have guts surf urself for the news, Pakistani forces have taken the strong hold of these terrorists, arresting one of their important leader/commander.. i guess this news will be enough to give you some hickups... as it is in favor of Pakistan
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May 13th, 2009, 04:19 PM
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Originally Posted by mercenary2k
^^ its the highlighted the bold part
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u genious..wht u found nonsense in tht highlighted..
may be u r just one another confuse guy who is bombed by western propoganda..
if u dont know anything,then y u poke ur nose into tht...u dont know the culture,the people,the terrain.
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May 13th, 2009, 04:24 PM
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Originally Posted by hanibal
I suggest u get some cable connection and stop depending on the information provided to u by ur tube friends...
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No...thats ok....I don't waste my time watching TV
As for the tube firends....they have your mindset and have been thoroughly defeated in every discussion we have had on Pakistan
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a person who think Zia named Pakistan a Islamic republic, who is not sure about the date of creation of Pakistan is telling me that what is going on in boner
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You are still clinging to that nonsense....well good job...most pakis like you brainwashed from childhood believe that nonsense....so its understandable why it is so shocking to you.
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, if you have guts surf urself for the news, Pakistani forces have taken the strong hold of these terrorists, arresting one of their important leader/commander.. i guess this news will be enough to give you some hickups... as it is in favor of Pakistan
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Yeah...lets see if tehy can hold tehse positions....they have launched countless attacks and yet they never implement a strategy to eradicate these people....
look at lal masjid....they launched their attack...and now that mullah is back preaching his nonsense
and what does guts have to do with anything? this is not some pashtun macho game........ 
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