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Oct 28th, 2009, 05:59 AM
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Moderator Pakistan Affairs, Military Affairs, World Affairs Forum
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Information Minister Mr Kaira has given a statement that President Zardai wants to give up his powers to disolve the assemblies under article 58 2 (B), and his right to make top military appointments...
Last edited by yazdi; Oct 28th, 2009 at 06:56 AM..
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Oct 28th, 2009, 06:19 AM
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HOSHIYAAR amriikan ULLOO!
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who is kaira? 
uTh, ai shabnam! Hareem-e-laala-o-gul meN charaaGhaaN kar
taRap kar mahr ke partav meN har shai ko daraKhshaan kar!.....a she'r by my Dad!
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Oct 28th, 2009, 06:55 AM
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THAC0 -8
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First part good idea. Second part bad idea. The military must be subservient to the Government.
Survived world PVP in Darfur.
In Queue for Afghangrasp.
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Oct 28th, 2009, 06:59 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hashmat Usmani
who is kaira?
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Sorry HU... Kaira is Pakistan's information minister. I have edited the original question!
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Oct 28th, 2009, 07:09 AM
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HOSHIYAAR amriikan ULLOO!
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they can NOT be trusted...zardari et el or nawaz shareef [shareef part????] don't deserve anything except jail for life. pakistan's tragedy [i wud call muslim's tragedy of the sub-continent] has been the lack of good leadership. i, for one, can NOT believe that Pakistani brothers/sisters brought back those theives [benazir n nawaz] who have stolen billions from pakistani awam not once but twice...there seems to be a drought of good leadership.
shame on these leaders jinheN dekh ke sharmaayeN yahood!
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Oct 28th, 2009, 07:10 AM
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A School Boy
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Quote:
Originally Posted by CM
First part good idea. Second part bad idea. The military must be subservient to the Government.
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--Ditto--
I donot trust Kiara's Statement , Because it is not his first statement even Zardari himself have told that he will relinquish all those powers Ex President Musharaf had acquired , on many occassions but practically he is not doing it.
"Allah Pakistan ko Aman ka Gehwara buna dey" , Ameen
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Oct 28th, 2009, 07:16 AM
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A School Boy
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hashmat Usmani
they can NOT be trusted...zardari et el or nawaz shareef [shareef part????] don't deserve anything except jail for life. pakistan's tragedy [i wud call muslim's tragedy of the sub-continent] has been the lack of good leadership. i, for one, can NOT believe that Pakistani brothers/sisters brought back those theives [benazir n nawaz] who have stolen billions from pakistani awam not once but twice...there seems to be a drought of good leadership.
shame on these leaders jinheN dekh ke sharmaayeN yahood!
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Hashmat Saab you are so right and I agree with your statement regarding our Pakistani Leader you mentioned.
But, you know even you have told truth about our leaders, many Pakistani people will be offended for it, for you being Indian.
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Oct 28th, 2009, 01:11 PM
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Only fools believe in statements...
PS: People don't give a damn to law and the constitution...huh...the statements...lol
Der längste Tag
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Oct 28th, 2009, 05:27 PM
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If this was true why wouldn't Zardari come out and say it himself? Information minister is not a presidential spokesperson
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Oct 29th, 2009, 12:02 AM
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Administrator GupShup
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No.
Quod mi nutrit mi distruit!
Laa raiba feehi!
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Oct 29th, 2009, 01:42 AM
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whats with the "i wants to do this" as a news story. if you wants to do something do something then tell people.
O Englightened dog, come and stay with me for a while.
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Oct 29th, 2009, 08:51 AM
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this should not be a poll, this should be like a bet or something..
Remember, agreements are not Quran or Hadeeths which SHOULD be adhered..  ... So the statement of Kaira and Mr Ghaddar has agreed to give up powers of blah blah and blah is totaly blah blah and blah.. Mr Ghaddari was a patient of dementia, this agreement could be one phase of his dementia.
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Nov 1st, 2009, 03:45 PM
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NO!
As long as Zardari is President he won't give up his additional powers aka 17th amendment.
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Nov 1st, 2009, 04:02 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by yazdi
Information Minister Mr Kaira has given a statement that President Zardai wants to give up his powers to disolve the assemblies under article 58 2 (B), and his right to make top military appointments...
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Prime minister will have this right ?
-- Nauman --
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Nov 1st, 2009, 04:08 PM
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Why should President Asif Ali Zardari give up the powers he has? Would it make any difference? Could it make any difference?
End of the day who is the real leader of Pakistan? The President, the Prime Minister, the Chief of the Army Staff or Rehman Malik?
Kaira is a nice name by the way.
Allahu-Akbar: Iraqis are now free to throw their boots at the Americans, when will Afghans get that freedom?
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Nov 1st, 2009, 04:22 PM
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Aside from Zardari's personal intentions I think PPP are trodding carefully for the following reason
When all the powers were vested in the PM - Zulfikhar Ali Bhutto (1977) and Nawaz Sharif (1996) - and the President was merely a figurehead, it was very easy for the COAS to topple an elected civilian government. It is not so the case now.
In 1993 however, when the President (GIK) had essentially the same powers as Zardari, the army did not take over but instead 'politely' asked both GIK and NS to go home
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Nov 3rd, 2009, 03:12 AM
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Well it is very easy for Kaira and Zardari to turn around and say it was not Hadees or Quran.. it was just a promise or just a statement we issued to get some relaxation... Now how can anyone trust this kind of lying ********
Standing for what you believe in, regardless of the odds against you, and the pressure that tears at your resistance, means courage
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Nov 3rd, 2009, 05:42 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by CM
First part good idea. Second part bad idea. The military must be subservient to the Government.
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Under a parliamentary system like ours, the president is just a figurehead and prime minister is supposed to be the head of government. Historically, it is president who appoints the military chiefs in 'consultation' with the prime minister, but theoretically it is the PM who should prevail in case of difference of opinion.
It is atleast absurd that all foreign leaders are talking to Zardari as opposed to Gailani who should be the one running the show.
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Nov 3rd, 2009, 05:51 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by kakaballi
Under a parliamentary system like ours, the president is just a figurehead and prime minister is supposed to be the head of government. Historically, it is president who appoints the military chiefs in 'consultation' with the prime minister, but theoretically it is the PM who should prevail in case of difference of opinion.
It is atleast absurd that all foreign leaders are talking to Zardari as opposed to Gailani who should be the one running the show.
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Giving executive powers to the President in a parliamentary system like ours is like putting the horse behind the cart..
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