However like you yourself said they are mere pawns being exploited.
We need to identify who the real enemy or mastermind behind them is who is supporting and funding them rather than fighting blindly an unknown enemy !
sure, identify any and all potential masterminds, but that does not mean that while people are doing these investigations that the alleged pawns are allowed to freely roam about and kill innocent people.
btw do we really think that the security agencies are not looking at all angles already? I mean if ppl on a discussion forum can come up with scenarios that the security agencies can not then thats a whole diff situation
btw..masterminds cant do anything if the pawns are eliminated. so even if there are some masterminds, stopping the pawns is going to end it.
Your friendly neighbourhood fraudiya loafer luccha lufanga awara ayaash aubaash ghunda badmaash man
Who do you think is the REAL enemy? Who is the mastermind?
The REAL enemy is the "elements" behind these attacks. The people who carry them out are brainwashed with rewards of Jihad or whatever but its not them that plan or organize such large scale operations. They are just a means to an end , a tool used to achieve a goal. I wouldn't be surprised the suicide bombers probably have no clue who they work for.
But to execute such synchornized attacks in several parts of the country requires much more than just a willing suicide bomber. It requires funds , training and availability of resources as well as planning .
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What do you suggest that government should do? Do you have any bright idea? In your views what government of NS, or JI, or IK could have done differently?
Bending over backwards of government started about 3 decades ago when a dictator came through back door and killed the elected PM. The successive governments strengthen that backward bend. That bend had become permanent during 9 years rule of another dictator. If some one tries to straighten it, the tragedy of 1971 will again be repeated. Do you want that?
So because of a PAST we should not seek a FUTURE ?
Whatever happened or lead to the events of the past has its repercussions to this day. We have not progressed as a nation from where we were when we separated from India. Neither our educational nor our healthcare system is viable. Is not the Government responsible for this ? We have nothing to show for the 60 plus years ? Is not the Government who should have placed these systems . Look at India.....its massively progressed on each and every level ,whether its educational or healthcare or military or political...it has ADVANCED sucessively over the years.
All we do is go to war amongst ourselves and blame ethnicities and be used as puppets by politicians .
I don't have bright ideas to solve the mess that Pakistan is in right now but I do know we are to blame for bringing ourselves to this point by electing Leaders that were not held accountable for their actions.Unless a country can show a United and Strong front to the world , it ceases to exist. The Government is our Voice to the World. If that is weak , we won't be heard !
Guns don't kill people ! Dads with pretty daughters Do !
Personally i think time has come for us to get dirty with them as well.
Make their families suffer although i hate it but i want them to know if they do anything of that sort killing women and children their own cant be allowed to live freely.
I am just sick of this.
We keep blaming Taliban , Mullahs etc. but in fact these are all terms "Marketed" by the Western Media to blame anything and everything on. These so called talibans and mullahs have been around for decades why suddenly would they start killing women and children ?
They used to send their children to school even in the most farflung villages .....why the sudden change of heart ?
We are fighting an unknown enemy that is funded and trained to annihilate while our "leaders" sit securely behind iron walls .
It is exactly these kinds of delusions that make it so hard to defeat terrorism and extremism in Pakistan.
The Taliban and Mullahs were first fighting the Soviets and then were funneled to fight in Afghanistan against the Northern Alliance and then against India in Kashmir.
The Taliban regime in Afghanistan were abusing women and children all along. Taliban are not known for their marches on Women's Rights. Give me a break
After 9/11, the Taliban retreated to Pakistan and began using Pakistan as a sprnigboard to launch attacks on Afghanistan and then turning their guns on Pakistan.
These people are barbaric savages brainwashed from childhood to kill anyone who does not agree with them.
They justify any method to achieve their means and they justify any targets as legitimate targets.
These people need to be wiped out from the face of the earth.
Here watch this video....This should hopefully erase questions you have of why the Taliban are no longer Pakistan's friends
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Only a few months ago a lot of our countrymen, blinded by their hubris and machismo were clamoring for the destruction of these people without any mercy, dithering or hindrance..."no quarters should be given to these barbarians"; "they should be bombed to stone ages", "we will hunt you down and kill you", were the rallying cries...now the same people are babbling as to when and how this madness will stop...
You cannot sell your compatriots and others for cheap dollars...now it's time to reap what they've sowed...the butchers and murderers of lal-masjid, the sellers of Afia Siddiqui and scores of other innocents who were later released from gitmo if they were fortunate enough not to be killed in custody by americans, the facilitators and cheer leaders of drone, gunship and jet attacks on innocent villagers, it's time for reckoning...
Only a few months ago a lot of our countrymen, blinded by their hubris and machismo were clamoring for the destruction of these people without any mercy, dithering or hindrance..."no quarters should be given to these barbarians"; "they should be bombed to stone ages", "we will hunt you down and kill you", were the rallying cries...now the same people are babbling as to when and how this madness will stop...
And rightly so since the attacks in Peshawar proves their blood lust
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You cannot sell your compatriots and others for cheap dollars...now it's time to reap what they've sowed...the butchers and murderers of lal-masjid
I assume you mean the barbarians who held innocent people hostage in the mosque
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, the sellers of Afia Siddiqui and scores of other innocents
You care for Afia as much as the innocent women blown up in this attack
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who were later released from gitmo if they were fortunate enough not to be killed in custody by americans, the facilitators and cheer leaders of drone, gunship and jet attacks on innocent villagers, it's time for reckoning...
Just last week a drone attack killed 24 high ranking al qaeda terrorists and taliban animals....
Go Drone Attacks....
If people like you are against it...then it must be a good thing for Pakistan
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Personally i think time has come for us to get dirty with them as well.
Make their families suffer although i hate it but i want them to know if they do anything of that sort killing women and children their own cant be allowed to live freely.
I am just sick of this.
I understand your anger and believe me all of us have similar feelings. We must understand that we are in a state of war and:
1) No war can be won from a lower moral ground!
2) Every nation goes through these war periods. In the end great nations come out more united and stronger from the wars.
3) They can kill our innocent people but they can not break our resolve.
While I agree that we have to take this war to their pot holes instead of fighting it in our back yard, we have to show the world that we stand for higher moral values unlike these animals who are killing innocent Pakistanis...
Our security forces have taken this war to their strong hold, and in a matter of days inshallah will get these areas cleared. Our security forces are sacrificing their lives to get the mission accomplished... nation is suffering with almost ritual daily bombings but is strongly standing behind our security forces. As long as we are united although we are suffering badly for the time being we will come out victourious from this war !
I understand your anger and believe me all of us have similar feelings. We must understand that we are in a state of war and:
1) No war can be won from a lower moral ground!
2) Every nation goes through these war periods. In the end great nations come out more united and stronger from the wars.
3) They can kill our innocent people but they can not break our resolve.
While I agree that we have to take this war to their pot holes instead of fighting it in our back yard, we have to show the world that we stand for higher moral values unlike these animals who are killing innocent Pakistanis...
Our security forces have taken this war to their strong hold, and in a matter of days inshallah will get these areas cleared. Our security forces are sacrificing their lives to get the mission accomplished... nation is suffering with almost ritual daily bombings but is strongly standing behind our security forces. As long as we are united although we are suffering badly for the time being we will come out victourious from this war !
no it aint a war, Wars have some rules and are fought by soldiers not barbarians.
you see this is different kind of fight a battle of wills they want to demoralize you and hurt you by hiding.
things have reached to a point where lives had to be lost so why not those should be of close ones of terrorists, make them know if they hurt ordinary civilians their owns would be hurt as well in first place before even search for him starts and i can assure you atleast 80 % of bombings would stop.
this aint go away like this by just fighting them to be very frank with you, not necessary to kill them but hurt them where it hurts most.
I think the arguments that who is behind all this is moot at this time. We have to go after the ones we know and the army is doing just that. terrorists, whoever they are should be eliminated. This is their way of striking back at the army's operation in Waziristan. We have to stand firm and tell these guys that our resolve becomes even more stronger with every atrocity they heap on our nation. We will not give in and pursue them till they are wiped out. The process has started and Inshallah our armed forces will complete it soon. The barbarity of their attacks only goes to confirm that we are right in taking the action which is under way at the moment. They cannot and should not be allowed to enforce their views on our nation.
I think the arguments that who is behind all this is moot at this time. We have to go after the ones we know and the army is doing just that. terrorists, whoever they are should be eliminated. This is their way of striking back at the army's operation in Waziristan. We have to stand firm and tell these guys that our resolve becomes even more stronger with every atrocity they heap on our nation. We will not give in and pursue them till they are wiped out. The process has started and Inshallah our armed forces will complete it soon. The barbarity of their attacks only goes to confirm that we are right in taking the action which is under way at the moment. They cannot and should not be allowed to enforce their views on our nation.
The army is learning well from it's american and british paymasters...it has successfully implemented the most inefficient method of warmaking in the hisoty of warfare...The war is in it's 8th year....the intrepid soormas of Pak Army have been in the mix since 2003 and have completely erradicated the pesky terrorists on at least on a couple occasions...here is to more such complete eradications...
The army is learning well from it's american and british paymasters...it has successfully implemented the most inefficient method of warmaking in the hisoty of warfare...The war is in it's 8th year....the intrepid soormas of Pak Army have been in the mix since 2003 and have completely erradicated the pesky terrorists on at least on a couple occasions...here is to more such complete eradications...
But just like how your friends got routed in SWAT and Lal Masjid...same will happen in waziristan
It requires funds , training and availability of resources as well as planning .
Those khawarij have funds coming from poppy trade and their supporters in Gulf petrol states. They are trained in warfare since decades. Actually, many of them were trained by our Army and ISI people themselves. They have resources and planning because they have support in various sections of Pakistani society, including PML, religious organizations and South Punjab's sectarian and anti-India outfits.
http://thenews.jang.com.pk/top_story_detail.asp?Id=24532
Saudi charity funds al-Qaeda linked Pak terror outfits
So many replies and each person has different view on this.....truly sad state of Pakistan.
My two cents, there could be some bigger hands behind this...but front line is that this is Blood for Blood, pay back. The day the news was telecast that military had taken over the head village of TTP, it was my guts feelings that this was going to be payed back in much larger scale then ever. Blood for blood is part of the culture, this can never be eliminated, but people working towards it should be raided and completely eliminated.
Imran Playboy has always been a Taliban-supporter due to majority of them being Pashtun like him.
He goes against Pakistan if he thinks it is an 'unnecessary' war. Because not eliminating these fanatics means allowing them to plan for global fasad against anyone who disagrees with them, starting from Afghanistan and Pakistan.
His solution to their crimes against Islam and Pakistani people is to stop annoying them and let them do what they want.
He is one more of the many GHADDAR we have amongst us.
They are attacking our way of life, I agree, both militants and western powers. Militants are attacking directly while western powers are doing it indirectly. Most of the time its our own people attacking us in one way or the other, we are killing ourselves. Unfortunately we have sellers on both sides (militants as well as govt) who sell their souls for few cents/dollars and in doing that they have sold the nation/country.
They are attacking our way of life, I agree, both militants and western powers. Militants are attacking directly while western powers are doing it indirectly. Most of the time its our own people attacking us in one way or the other, we are killing ourselves. Unfortunately we have sellers on both sides (militants as well as govt) who sell their souls for few cents/dollars and in doing that they have sold the nation/country.
solid arguement
i'd like to add the government sold out first, the militants didn't attack pakistan when pakistan allowed its airfields to used against them in afghanistan. they didnt attack when pakistan was allowing supplies through to be used against them. they attacked later when drone attacks and pakistani military operations began against them. so its not correct to say the militants wanted to go against pakistan. from this point on the value of ordinary pakistanis has also been forgotten by the militants but to be fair no side involved values brown life
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