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Old Oct 30th, 2009, 02:15 PM   #1 (permalink)  
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It was about time someone told the Americans that terrorism is not a one way street. innocents killed are equal victims be it a suicide attack or a drone attack.


Clinton faces Pakistani ire over drone attacks

Strikes aimed at militants amount to ‘executions without trial,’ she is told


ISLAMABAD - U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton came face-to-face Friday with Pakistani anger over U.S. aerial drone attacks in tribal areas along the Afghan border, a strategy that U.S. officials say has succeeded in killing key terrorist leaders.
In a series of public appearances on the final day of a three-day visit marked by blunt talk, Clinton refused to discuss the subject, which involves highly classified CIA operations. She would say only that "there is a war going on," and the Obama administration is committed to helping Pakistan defeat the insurgents and terrorists who threaten the stability of a nuclear-armed nation.
Clinton said she could not comment on "any particular tactic or technology" used in the war against extremist groups in the area.


The use of Predator drone aircraft, armed with guided missiles, is credited by U.S. officials with eliminating a growing number of senior terrorist group leaders this year who had used the tribal lands of Pakistan as a haven beyond the reach of U.S. ground forces in Afghanistan.
'Executions without trial'
During an interview broadcast live in Pakistan with several prominent female TV anchors, before a predominantly female audience of several hundred, one member of the audience said the Predator attacks amount to "executions without trial" for those killed.
Another asked Clinton how she would define terrorism.
"Is it the killing of people in drone attacks?" she asked. That woman then asked if Clinton considers drone attacks and bombings like the one that killed more than 100 civilians in the city of Peshawar earlier this week to both be acts of terrorism.
"No, I do not," Clinton replied.
Earlier, in a give-and-take with about a dozen residents of the tribal region, one man alluded obliquely to the drone attacks, saying he had heard that in the United States, aircraft are not allowed to take off after 11 p.m., to avoid irritating the population.
"That is the sort of peace we want for our people," he said through an interpreter.
The same man told Clinton that the Obama administration should rely more on wisdom and less on firepower to achieve its aims in Pakistan.
"Your presence in the region is not good for peace," he said, referring to the U.S. military, "because it gives rise to frustration and irritation among the people of this region." At another point he told Clinton, "Please forgive me, but I would like to say we've been fighting your war."
'It is not our war'
A similar point was made by Sana Bucha of Geo TV during the live broadcast interview.
"It is not our war," she told Clinton. "It is your war." She drew a burst of applause when she added, "You had one 9/11. We are having daily 9/11s in Pakistan."
Capturing a feeling that Clinton heard expressed numerous times during her visit, one woman in the audience said, "The whole world thinks we are terrorists." The woman said she was from the South Waziristan area where the Pakistani army is engaged in pitched battles with Taliban and affiliated extremist elements — and where U.S. drones have struck with deadly effect many times.
The Pakistani army said Friday its forces had killed two dozen militants in 24 hours and were closing in on a prominent insurgent stronghold as its offensive in the remote region continued.
Clinton's main message on Friday was that the U.S. wants to be a partner with Pakistan, not just on the military front but also on trade, education, energy and other sectors. She stressed, however, that Pakistan needs to do its part in demonstrating a real commitment to democracy.
Clinton also was asked about her remark on Thursday that she found it hard to believe that Pakistani officials don't know where leaders of terrorist groups are hiding in Pakistan.
On Friday she took a bit of the edge off that comment, saying, "I don't know if anyone knows, but we in the United States would very much like to see the end of the al-Qaida leadership, and our best information is that they are somewhere in Pakistan."


'Trust deficit'
In an interviews broadcast Friday, Clinton defended her blunt talk on Pakistan, saying it was important to have an open relationship between the countries even if it meant some tough words. was asked about the bluntness of her remarks.
"I wanted to get that out on the table, because the Pakistanis have talked about a trust deficit and it's a two-way street," Clinton said in an interview shown on NBC's "Today Show." "We have questions, they have questions."
Clinton faces Pakistani ire at drone attacks - Pakistan - msnbc.com







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It was about time someone told the Americans that terrorism is not a one way street. innocents killed are equal victims be it a suicide attack or a drone attack.
These drones attacks can stop immediately, if Kyani issues ultimatum to those who are flying these death machines. Don't you think so? It requires only one time use of F-16. Drones will be wiped off in seconds.

You are forgetting that one such drone killed 22 teenagers in Fata praying Fajr namaz. Mush took the responsibility of killing of innocent 22 young people. Does this reverberate bells into your ears?

I think it is joint military operation against Taliban and other jehadis. Telling Clinton makes no sense. She must be laughing in heart on the stupidity of Pakis.

Pakis should pose this question to Kyani rather than US Secretary of State. Magar us kay leyay himat chaiay jo hum pakyon main nahin hay. Always beating about the bush.







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Old Oct 30th, 2009, 11:42 PM   #3 (permalink)  
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Does this reverberate bells into your ears?
at the time - no, it was just news
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Old Oct 31st, 2009, 08:54 PM   #4 (permalink)  
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Saima, Qatrina Hussain (Express News), Asima Shirazi (ARY News), Sana Bucha (Geo News), Meher Bokhari (Samaa News)

HIllary Clinton is outspoken and she should be really appreciated for spending this much time in interacting with Pakistani media and women. The anchors did a good job too!












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Old Oct 31st, 2009, 09:04 PM   #5 (permalink)  
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These drones attacks can stop immediately, if Kyani issues ultimatum to those who are flying these death machines. Don't you think so? It requires only one time use of F-16. Drones will be wiped off in seconds.

You are forgetting that one such drone killed 22 teenagers in Fata praying Fajr namaz. Mush took the responsibility of killing of innocent 22 young people. Does this reverberate bells into your ears?

I think it is joint military operation against Taliban and other jehadis. Telling Clinton makes no sense. She must be laughing in heart on the stupidity of Pakis.

Pakis should pose this question to Kyani rather than US Secretary of State. Magar us kay leyay himat chaiay jo hum pakyon main nahin hay. Always beating about the bush.

Well i always laugh at your stupidity.
How dare you to call Pakistanis stupid. How do you know she must be laughing at Pakistanis did you meet her personally or she did tell you that by phoning you?

Don't cross any limits and don't forget you are not on an Indian forum buster so you better watch what you say.

Criticising is one thing but to call Pakistanis stupid goes too far in my eyes.


Talk about Indian armies himmat.
Kashmir has the highest soldier-to-civilian ratio of any region in the world. When the insurgency began in 1989, there were 36,000 Indian troops. Today, there are 600,000 in a state with a population of roughly 10 million.

Is that called HIMMAT????????????????????????????????????/







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Good work media. Keep it up. Free media and free judiciary is Pakistan's hope.







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Well i always laugh at your stupidity.
How dare you to call Pakistanis stupid. How do you know she must be laughing at Pakistanis did you meet her personally or she did tell you that by phoning you?

Don't cross any limits and don't forget you are not on an Indian forum buster so you better watch what you say.

Criticising is one thing but to call Pakistanis stupid goes too far in my eyes.


Talk about Indian armies himmat.
Kashmir has the highest soldier-to-civilian ratio of any region in the world. When the insurgency began in 1989, there were 36,000 Indian troops. Today, there are 600,000 in a state with a population of roughly 10 million.

Is that called HIMMAT????????????????????????????????????/
I think read my post again. I am talking about those Pakis who posed this question to Clinton. If you don't have any manners how to respond, then SILENCE IS GOLDEN.







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Old Nov 1st, 2009, 04:10 AM   #8 (permalink)  
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No I read your post. Your post supports the killing of innocent women and children. Well done.

Also from now on India shouldn't speak to Clinton either.







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