mAd_ScIeNtIsT

This is quite significant. This is more than just Rehman Malik making vague allegations of Indian activity in Balochistan, this is the Army itself having top brass announce that weapons and papers linking India to Waziristan have been found.

Hopefully there will be a broader disclosure of this by the Foreign Office.

DAWN.COM | Pakistan | Proof of Indian hand South Waziristan: army

ISLAMABAD: The security forces have found substantial evidence of Indian involvement for assisting terrorists in South Waziristan Agency, Director General ISPR Major General Athar Abbas said.

‘Indian literature and weapons under the use of terrorists have been recovered from South Waziristan and more evidence is being gathered,’ he said addressing a joint media briefing on Operation Rah-e-Nijat here Monday.

Minister for Information and Broadcasting Qamar Zaman Kaira, Secretary Information Suhail Mansoor and Principal Information Officer Ch Rashid Ahmed were also present.

‘We have sent all the proofs of Indian involvement to the Foreign Office for their onward presentation at the appropriate forum,’ he said.—APP

happyheart

What most Pakistanis already know is comming out now with evidence.
Nothing new.

JeevayPakistan

So, why would India do this? Do they want another Afghanistan at their border?

ravage

^ i dont think India, or anyone else, seriously expects Pakistan to be overrun by TTP. They can be expected to bleed Pakistan off resources and development, and there is a clear incentive for India to do that.

Jalaluddin

Indian literature and weapons? does anyone know how many millions of bollywood videos can be found in Pakistan?

These people are trying their darndest to implicate India and get some relief from the pressure of internal issues. Sorry but going by history of such accusations which invariably turn out to be false, this one is likely to just another futile attempt as well.

JaanBaazz

Agreed and this announcement today from an official viewpoint is significant.

That said, there needs to be follow up and a logical chain of narrative to substantiate this for our own credibility sake.

I heard other reports (on TV) attributed to Maj. Gen. Athar that said that there is documentation of known TTP leaders visiting India, as well as financial transactions.

We need to lay it out for the world in a transparent manner or else riks losing credibility.

Already US media is comparing Gen. Athar with Saddam Hussain's info minister, a.k.a "Baghdad Bob"

Decent 6Chora

You exactly know what literature news is talking about so your comments about that are totally irrelevant.

As far as accusation goes, given the history of what India did in east Pakistan, every accusation, will be taken seriously by every Pakistan even though it turns out to be a false one.

Pakistani Dragon

I hope Pakistan Air Force is fine tuning it's nukes to take out those Hindu Extremist camps in New Delhi. These guys have now crossed the line.

zxcvb

What kind of Indian arms?

Why would India be stupid to put "Made in India" stamp on the weapons when it is easier & cheaper to get russian weapons from the world arms market.

burqaposhx

Signiiiificant indeed.

However one thing is very puzzling!

The proof must be a very low level one. Why?

If Pakistan has a strong evidence right now we would hear from

1. Prez. Zardari
2. PM Gilani.


And then at the MINIMUM, Indian ambassador's @rse should have been hauled to the foreign office for a STRONG protest.

Not only that, the evidence (or a portion of it) should have been shared with FBI/CIA through FORMAL channels.

But it is understandable that they found some very small stinking fish with links to India. That's why the protest isn't even there, just a statement.

We have lost 10s of 1000s of Paks in this war, and if Indian hand is detected, we should not be sending "proofs of Indian involvement to the [Pakistani] Foreign Office for their onward presentation at the appropriate [Indian] forum".

There is no f'ing [Indian] forum but an INTERNATIONAL protest and a threat of war, when someone loses 10s of 1000s of his countrymen.

Pakistani Dragon

ISLAMABAD: The government has found concrete evidence of New Delhi’s involvement in the militancy in South Waziristan and has decided to discuss the matter with the Indian government, Information Minster Qamar Zaman Kaira and Inter-Services Public Relations (ISPR) Director General Athar Abbas jointly said on Monday.

Kaira said Islamabad would discuss the issue with New Delhi, adding that Islamabad would still not deviate from the peace process aimed at resolving lingering disputes between the two countries.

Recovered: Abbas said large quantities of Indian arms and ammunition, literature, medical equipment and medicines had been recovered from Sherwangi near Kaniguram. He said the Foreign Office had been informed of the discoveries and the matter would be taken up through diplomatic channels with the Indian authorities.

Abbas said security forces had gained complete control of Kaniguram, a major stronghold of Uzbek fighters. He said the terrorists there had been using modern weaponry, fortified positions and bunkers, adding the entire area had been cleared of mines and improvised explosive devices....


Daily Times

burqaposhx

ef the foreign office.

If Kiyani knows this is thing is for real, then haul the Indian reps to GHQ or PM house and issue them the final warning. NOW!

No diplomatic games! Just action.

Pakistani Dragon

ISLAMABAD, (APP): The security forces during the on-going operation Rah-e-Nijat have recovered a huge cache of arms and ammunition from various dens of terrorists in South Waziristan Agency.

The details of arms and ammunition recovered by the security forces were revealed by the Director General ISPR Major General Athar Abass at Media Brifieng held here on Monday.

The type and number of arms and ammunition are:

Dragon Sniper Rifle,
IEDs material 2 Bags,
Missile Launcher one,
7.62 mm 13 Boxes,
APM (Anti Personal Mines) 44,
Artillery Ammunition 4,
Anti Tank Mines 10,
Explosives 140 Lbs,
Heavy Machine Gun 12,
12.7 mm Gun 30,
12.7 mm 4504 and 147 Boxes,
14.5 mm Guns 8,
14.5 mm 463 and 49 Boxes,
75 mm RR 5,
Heavy Machine Gun 2980,
SPG-9 Launcher 4,
Pistol 60 and one Box,
SBRL Launcher 12,
Rifle different calibers 2311 & 2 Boxes,
82 mm Mortar 25,
82 mm Mortar Shells 226,
60 mm Motar 11,
Mortar Shells 119,
RPG-7 Launcher 15,
RPG-7 95,
Light Machine Gun 4,
Light Machine Gun 571,
Small Machine Gun 12,
Small Machine Gun 1663 & 6 Boxes,
AGS-17 launcher 14,
Grenades 213,
Rifles 230,
Rockets 29,
Pistol 15,
and IED 2.

In addition to the above the security forces have also recovered 5 truck load of arms and ammunition, which according to reports was to be transported from SWA.


Associated Press of Pakistan

burqaposhx

^^ posted in the wrong thread? No comments from you!

Or you want to imply that all of this weaponry has "Made in India" stamped on it?

vigoratus

The signal was sent loud and clear, hence Chitambaram (sp?) spewing venom last week because India forgot to pull its assets from Waziristan, and now have been caught with their hands in the cookie jar. So they issue another threat, as if pre-emptively announcing the making of another Mumbai-like incident.

Here are pictures of some of the ammo seized.

http://www.app.com.pk/photo/photo_li...da6e35db10.jpg

http://www.app.com.pk/photo/photo_li...f19bc09cea.jpg

http://www.app.com.pk/photo/photo_li...7e049c7b55.jpg

http://www.app.com.pk/photo/photo_li...a35f82d222.jpg

http://www.app.com.pk/photo/photo_li...e32afed822.jpg

http://www.app.com.pk/photo/photo_li...663f6c41f2.jpg

http://www.app.com.pk/photo/photo_li...4a5404165f.jpg

Though I do agree with you, words alone are not sufficient. Action must be swift, along with evidence and the whole nine yards.

hhunaeh

It is more likely that Pakistan is preempting a probable attack by one its out of control proxies on India by alleging that Indians are involved in Waziristan. That way they can soften any diplomatic attacks by India after the terrorist strike by saying that Indians are doing the same in Waziristan.

vigoratus

Except that Pakistanis haven't been making empty threats to India, unlike Indian FM who had to retract his hotheaded remarks immediately after Mumbai incident, and now it is Chitambaram erring in the same manner. Pakistani forces on the other hand have been making progress, even at the cost of both civilian and armed forces casualties, and have caught a batch of Indian supplied arms.

It's only the beginning, see what else Pakistani Army uncovers as it jolts the proxy terrorists sponsored by Indian consulates in Afghanistan.

hhunaeh

Chidambaram is the home minister. His ministry was caught napping when the Mumbai attacks took place. So it is a given that from now on Chidambaram will shout and scream every time there is even a remotest possibilty of an attack by LET or JEM.
By shouting and screaming he is showing the Indian electorate that his ministry is doing what it can to prevent further attacks and if attacks do take place in India, then he and his ministry are not to blame.

mYsTeRiOuS_gUy

This is how most people reacted when Mumbai attack happened. An average person in both countries asks the same questions but one thing is for sure, by Indian literature, they surely don't mean "Kama Sutra" books. You have to use common sense IF YOU REALLY WANT TO.

Jalaluddin, You are forgetting that there were similar internal problems going on just before Mumbai attacks. There was a HUGE problem going on between Thackrey and non Maharshtra people (mostly Biharis) and we haven't heard a WORD since Mumbai attacks.

mercenary2k

The existence of weapons and other equipment from India on its own is not evidence of Indian State involvement, and neither is the arrest of an Indian national (if true).

That is like saying that Russia is involved since most of the weapons used by the Taliban Terrorists are of Russian Origin or the fighters fighting Pakistan, many of them come from Uzbekistan.

But...

If the Indian government is found to be supporting or directly responsible for acts of terrorism in Pakistan, it should be made to pay the price on the world stage.

However, the Pakistan government must bring concrete, viable and irrefutable proof to the governments of the world.

Why do I say 'governments of the world'?

Because, realistically, it is impossible to actually prove these things to the satisfaction of the man on the street. But all governments have their own way of finding and presenting information. So - to make it easier for Pakistan - the Pakistani government must therefore convince leading world governments.

In the meanwhile some Pakistanis should also show greater maturity in acknowledging that, regardless of Indian support, the responsibility and blame for what is happening in Pakistan lies fair and square on Pakistan shoulders.

Do you really think that these criminals could have flourished in Pakistan without the active support of Pakistanis? Do you really think what is happening in our country - massive explosions,, an army almost at war within its borders, a state almost under siege - is because of a few 'misguided' 'innocent Muslim brothers' who are being duped by foreigners? That thinking is bound to create more trouble, not less.

In the meanwhile, also remember that Pakistani officials have spoken of Indian involvement in the past. But we have not heard from them a few days after they made their claims. I do not say that India is not involved; but the GOP must follow through on its claims. Otherwise, we will only worsen the situation; and common Pakistanis will only feel more bitter.