yazdi

MQM is considered a fascist political/ethnic group by many; as they still remeber the past particularly the 12th May 2007 incidents in Karachi. However recently on many national issues they decided to stand on high moral grounds and took stand as per the aspirations of Pakistani nation. Some of the examples are :

1) Not to support NRO; a law which is clearly against fundamental laws of equal justice for all.

2) They were the only party to oppose agreement with Sufi Mohammad, which promoted religious apartheid of a particular sect of false sharia.

3) MQM appointed Mayor of Karachi Mustafa Kamal won many hearts and appreciations for his good work.

4) Their clear stand against the terrorist and killers of innocent Pakistanis. MQM has never tried to justify the actions of these enemies of Paksitan on what-so-ever ground unlike many other political entities.

If you are voting yes for this poll it does not mean you are declaring them as angels. They really need to face independent judicial commission on May 12th and several criminal allegations against them instead of using their political clout to bury these investigations before they can win the trust of Pakistani nation. They have to apologise and distance themselves from the criminal amongst them if found guilty. Most importantly they have to come out of the cult following of Altaf Hussain or anyother individual and neutralise the fear factor in their party. Presently nobody can dare to speak against this cult like leader without fearing for his life amongst their own party members. So should we appreciate their good deeds inspite of the extra baggage they carry !

happyheart

Not only good deeds of MQM but good deeds of anyone who does good deed with good intention should not be ignored and should be appreciated.


But even Hitler, Stalin and Butcher of Gujarat Chief Minister Narendra Modi must also have good habits and must have done something good in their life that does not mean they should be forgiven their wrongs.

MQM should be held accountable for what they did wrong in Karachi.

hanibal

The good deeds shall be appreciated, we as a nation should appreciate what is good and should condemn what is wrong, MQM was wrong in its stance against CJ and May 12 was may be the worst face of MQM... but on the issues mentioned above they did have taken good stand and have stood for the people of Pakistan. this need to appreciated...

PS: though they have to do lot more repair works before i vote for them

yazdi

^^^

Agree with you that they have to do a lot to win Pakistani hearts and some of the things I have already mentioned in my thread opener.

Let me clarify again. We are not voting to declare them angels. We are just voting to appreciate/not to appreciate their good deeds!

samb

Muttahida Qaatil Movement is not supporting NRO for its own nefarious reasons which I'm sure will become apparent with time. I highly doubt there is any moral reason for them to not support it. they are probably the biggest beneficiaries of it anyway. like I said before, PPP might have gotten rid of financial corruption charges, Muttahida Qaatil Movement got thousands of murder and other criminal charges dropped against its badmaash party.

as much as I doubt their intention, this was a good move.

yeah, wasn't he voted the best mayor in the world or something? oh wait that turned out to be a complete scam and propaganda by the fascist party.

don't Karachi's streets still flood if it rains for like half an hour or something like that? yeah, way to go Mustafa Badmaash Kamal.

he is a complete moron who lacks the ability to speak decently with people. there are plenty of youtube videos where he shows his true colors.

huh? I don't know whether to laugh or cry...

Muttahida Qaatil Movement ITSELF is a terrorist party. weren't the people on May 12, 2007 innocent Pakistanis? weren't the lawyers who were locked and BURNED TO DEATH innocent Pakistanis? how can they have a clear stand against the killing of innocent Pakistanis when they themselves are involved in killing Pakistanis?

all in all, Muttahida Qaatil Movement remains a fascist party that uses terrorist tactics to get its way. it needs to first confess its crimes and then face the law. I just can't get over what they did on May 12th, 2007. they weren't even sparing journalists. they were firing directly at Aaj TV. I still remember the live coverage of it. seemed like at one time they were targeting to kill Talat Hussain - God forbid. may Allah protect that man. he is a national treasure and a hero.

similarly, just imagine the sheer the brutality and inhumanity it takes to lock up PEOPLE and BURN THEM ALIVE. I mean for fks sake. how can anyone with a brain or a heart do that to another human being? to cook people as if they were food. and to top of this barbaric crime, Muttahida Qaatil Movement hijacked the dead bodies and coffins of the lawyers THEY THEMSELVES had killed and said they were Muttahida Qaatil Movement supporters that had been burned alive by the lawyers. I mean ulta chor kotwaal ko daantay. or in this case, ulta terrorist badmaash lawyer ko daantay after burning the latter alive? oh the inhumanity... the barbarity... the savagery...

btw, that info about Muttahia Qaatil Movement hijacking the dead, burned, charred bodies of shaheed lawyers that they themselves had burned alive is information didn't show up in the press as the press is scared shtless of these terrorists. this is info that came out through some acquaintances of one the lawyers who was burned and was an active participant in the lawyers' movement.

ppl are so scared of this fascist/terrorist party they're even afraid to say anything against them. heck even comedy shows will joke about every party except for one party... guess which party is that? and why?

until and unless, MQM confesses, accepts, apologizes and faces the rule of law, it will never be accepted as a mainstream party and it will remain a fascist party with an ethnic agenda that uses terrorist tactics.

Maverick_27

peer sahib (altaf bhaee ) zindabad

Decent 6Chora

anyone's (including MQM's) good work should be at least acknowledged if not appreciated.

Thats is why I am off the opinion that we should like or hate "acts/deeds" and not people and/or organizations.

Reverse Swing

Agreed 100%

This guy lacks basic decency and politeness

Some people are giving him undue credit and more respect than he really deserves

ravage

Would you appreciate the good deeds of the Taleban? I wouldnt. Not even if they hadnt bombed a hospital in ten years, and claimed loudly that they're all good now.

Until we have the family members of those killed by MQM/Taleban willing to forgive them there should be no appreciation. Its all pretense.

The same goes for any group that relies on violence in order to get power, including some elements of ANP, some elements of PPP and some elements of Jamiat/JI (which also is very active in volunteer work etc)

Reverse Swing

Unless MQM gives up bhatta khori and stops terrorising people and treating Altaf Gangster like some peer who is above the law, no person in their right mind can support this party

coOoLBreeze

For once I can say that this was pretty good by Altaf Bhai.... Still I dont like MQM though,, ,but yes, this stance of his did something good for the country in the current times.

Decent 6Chora

you missed PML either intentionally or unintentionally. Looks like you were not in KHI in 90s...were u ? When MQM ghundays and PML ghundays ( Alim Adil, Haleem Adil, Irfan Marwat and Tanveer Kobra to start with) used to get into long cross fires. Been there, seen that !


I am from Karachi and was there in worst of times (from my birth to 1999). I have seen EVERY SINGLE PARTY doing this. Some did it to limited extent some on large. Jis k bandey ziada hotey theey, uss k daoo chalta tha.

ravage

Decent in the 90s I was old enough to remember the violence, not old enough to completely understand it all in the 2 months I used to visit for. I didnt know PML was involved in it. I thought that was Punjabi Pakhtoon Ittehad. If so they're in the list too.

Decent 6Chora

You might not know but I have seen it first hand. Many of my VERY GOOD friends get involved in this from both sides (MQM and PML). I used to live in the area which was sort of buffer b/w heavily MQM and heavily PML area. So we used to be caught in cross fire always.

Kicker is same guys used to do it from both side with different party names in different eras. MQM ghudas did it with name MQM, Haqaqi, Mohajir Rabta councel names other side did it with name PPI, PML, Panjabi Action Committee etc names. There were same guys always locking horns with different party names.

Allah maaf karey, but i have heard first hand accounts of how childhood friends lured and killed the guys of other side.... Days that sends shivers in my body even today.

I was just trying to make point that is hamam main sub nangay hain but mostly its blamed on MQM because they out numbered other side by big margin but Muhammad (SAW) said

"killer and one who got killed are both jahannumi. killer is because he killed and deceased is because he also had intent to kill he was just out powered"

Anyways, I guess I am off topic

ravage

the thing about PML, PPP, ANP and other participants in Karachi violence is that they atleast have a sizable national/non-Karachi presence, where they arent involved in violence. You are correct that MQM gets more blame because they outnumbered the others, but they should also get the blame because they never really had another side. Is hamam mai sab nangay to hain, lekin jo khali us hamam mai rahay woh khali nanga hai

Decent 6Chora

btw by saying that

you are contridcating yourself

being good on one side and evil on other. You are not ready to appreciate one but willing to forgive other!!!

anyways, back to topic

ravage

who said I forgave anyone? i am explaining why MQM gets more blame for terrorism in Karachi, the others can plausibly point to the fact that Karachi is merely one side of their party, and so be able to reduce the perception of their violence. This is not at all to say that I would support anyone involved in killing civilians, ever.

Decent 6Chora

oh ok. My mistake. Sorry. I got it wrong

ravage

no worries!

aminmirza

it is a very good step towards deemocracy and against horse trading if all the party start frteshly it is never too late to develop moderate pakistan will shine on world map and will appear stronger tahn ever before. God bless pakistan pakistan zindabad