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      Quote Originally Posted by Ali_Syed View Post
      The dynamics of the city has a role to play in the rise of first anp and then taleban. The migrants to Karachi were genuine refugees (from fata) which would have had some talebanic elements, but the reasons that some Pashtuns gave for joining anp was that they have no choice as they are being killed in the city. The same reason would have forced some to go towards taleban too.
      I have no problem with people joining ANP. I can understand the concerns and I know there are criminal elements among Urdu speaking. So it is understandable.
      But this is not an excuse to JOIN Taliban. And please do keep in mind that Taliban ENFORCING themselves upon Pashtun people is not the same as they JOINING Taliban.

      Mqm was right in 2008 that talebanization of the city is taking place, now what's the way out?
      Well, the government should do the right thing. Create the writ of the government. Get rid of the terrorists.
      And ... no negotiations, please.

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      Quote Originally Posted by kakaballi View Post
      It is true that some talibanic groups moved to Karachi. They saw the bhatta khori as a good business model and replicated MQM's strategy successfully and is a good source of funding. Now MQM has to share its income with these groups which irks them. I don't think it has anything to do with peace in the city which Bhai says is in his closed fist.
      How predictable. Just blurt out venom against MQM. The hell with the city. This is what is expected from most people in Pakistan.
      One type of terrorist will get rid of another type of terrorist. Right?

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      Quote Originally Posted by khoji View Post
      This reply caught my eye. I am finding it ridiculous to even reply this post. tsk tsk tsk.

      How unfortunate that even you think in such a biased way. And what is even more unfortunate is that even people like you think that someone like me would think this way. What gave people the idea that Taliban's hateful RELIGIOUS ideology has anything to do with ethnicity?

      Now listen. OF COURSE, there are MANY in Urdu speaking people who support Talibanic ideology and Taliban. Remember that Urdu speaking people used to support Jamaat e Islami before MQM, which is pretty close to this pathetic ideology.
      And vice versa, Pashtun does not necessarily mean Taliban.

      But it is also pathetically ignorant to deny that there are more Taliban in FATA or ilaqa-ghair than any other place in Pakistan. This is a reality. Anyone denying it is telling a BIG lie.


      Anyway, you just showed here that you would rather talk about these patty ethnic issues than to focus on the problem which the people of Karachi are facing due to deliberate ignorance of the government and intelligence agencies. And in this sense they share the blame for increase in lawlessness of the city.

      Just keep abusing MQM alone instead of showing any worry for the future of the city.
      My Dear Friend, I'm sorry, but your post is self contradictory in many ways.

      1) You find my question ridiculous and stated that you don't want to answer, but then again posted this long reply.

      2) You didn't agree that all followers of Taleban ideology are Pashtoon, but couldn't resist to mention where Taleban belong (FATA, Ilaq e Ghair)

      3) You just accepted that Urdu speaking people may be followers of Taleban supporters just to make point against Jama'at e Islami

      4) You talk about deliberate ignorance of Government for Karachi issue and easily forget MQM being part of Government. If they are that concerned of the security of Karachi, why they remained part of PPP and supported each and every step of Zardari Government?

      5) Regarding people's concern for Karachi, just keep in mind that pointing hypocricies of MQM doesn't mean that one become hater of Urdu speaking community / Karachi city.

      Out of this self-conceived, per-decided discussion
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      Quote Originally Posted by khoji View Post
      I have been a member for several years. If you don't know me even after all these years then ... I am speechless.
      I think I can show many examples where people have raised ethnicity issues when the discussion was solely political in nature.
      Its probably because MQM claimed to be champion of a community but that does not necessarily mean Urdu-speaking=MQM.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Captain1 View Post
      Its probably because MQM claimed to be champion of a community but that does not necessarily mean Urdu-speaking=MQM.
      Whatever the reason, the point I made and which you acknowledge here, is that there are many people who abuse urdu speaking people in the guise of abusing MQM.

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      Quote Originally Posted by muqawwee123 View Post
      My Dear Friend, I'm sorry, but your post is self contradictory in many ways.

      1) You find my question ridiculous and stated that you don't want to answer, but then again posted this long reply.

      2) You didn't agree that all followers of Taleban ideology are Pashtoon, but couldn't resist to mention where Taleban belong (FATA, Ilaq e Ghair)

      3) You just accepted that Urdu speaking people may be followers of Taleban supporters just to make point against Jama'at e Islami

      4) You talk about deliberate ignorance of Government for Karachi issue and easily forget MQM being part of Government. If they are that concerned of the security of Karachi, why they remained part of PPP and supported each and every step of Zardari Government?

      5) Regarding people's concern for Karachi, just keep in mind that pointing hypocricies of MQM doesn't mean that one become hater of Urdu speaking community / Karachi city.

      Out of this self-conceived, per-decided discussion
      I gave a long reply to this another amusing post from you. Unfortunately it was lost. Too bad.
      i will come to it again later.

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      Quote Originally Posted by khoji View Post
      I gave a long reply to this another amusing post from you. Unfortunately it was lost. Too bad.
      i will come to it again later.
      Not interested. Please don't waste yours and mine time
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      Till the people of Karachi reject the killers group of MQM themselves, No good is possible .

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      Quote Originally Posted by muqawwee123 View Post
      Not interested. Please don't waste yours and mine time
      It is good that you are not interested because I don't want to waste any further of my time on a post which was nothing argument for the sake of argument.

      talibanization of karachi is a reality, unfortunately. And no matter how much people despise MQM, it was MQM which first raised the flag. everyone ridiculed it at that time but now everyone agrees that the warning was for real. And it was ignored.

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      Quote Originally Posted by khoji View Post
      It is good that you are not interested because I don't want to waste any further of my time on a post which was nothing argument for the sake of argument.

      talibanization of karachi is a reality, unfortunately. And no matter how much people despise MQM, it was MQM which first raised the flag. everyone ridiculed it at that time but now everyone agrees that the warning was for real. And it was ignored.
      But then again, why did MQM remain part of the government for 5 years when it was evident that the provincial government was doing nothing to curb the menace?
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      Quote Originally Posted by Ali_Syed View Post
      But then again, why did MQM remain part of the government for 5 years when it was evident that the provincial government was doing nothing to curb the menace?
      I have my opinion just like you have yours. But neither you nor I are MQM insiders, so we dont know their opinion ... Which is actually what counts.

      still, if you want my opinion then I would request YOUR opinion first.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Anwer Pasha View Post
      Till the people of Karachi reject the killers group of MQM themselves, No good is possible .
      Oh. How simple.
      Now MQM is responsible even for Talibanization of the city. Sweet.

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      Quote Originally Posted by khoji View Post
      I have my opinion just like you have yours. But neither you nor I are MQM insiders, so we dont know their opinion ... Which is actually what counts.

      still, if you want my opinion then I would request YOUR opinion first.
      My opinion is that voicing concern without taking any followup action does not hold any weight. MQM was part of the government, they should have forced the government to take corrective actions then. Now frankly I dont think anything can happen, firstly the population of the city is to big, not easy to conduct operations plus the army already has its hands full in Balochistan and KP/Fata.
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      Quote Originally Posted by khoji View Post
      Whatever the reason, the point I made and which you acknowledge here, is that there are many people who abuse urdu speaking people in the guise of abusing MQM.
      no, I am not admitting anything, you are the one who actually equate MQM with Urdu speaking people, I disagree, MQM is a criminal mafia.

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