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      Quote Originally Posted by Anwer Pasha View Post
      You are talking about this
      dekho logo papa Bhutto ka namiz-e-Janaza jo ke ek legally elected prime minister tha
      tum kirthon awam ko kehtay ho qabar parast
      allah na karay tumharay kisi begunah pyaray ka yeh hashar nashar ho
      phir hum dekhengay ke kon qabar parast hay

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      Quote Originally Posted by jasos View Post
      Kaafir aik ista'ra tha aur iss say pahlay mujhay toheen-e-risalat ka murtakib qaraar dia jay main bahas lapaitay hoye sirf yahi kahoon ga

      Shab Ko Shaitan Bhi Mangay Hai Pnaa'hen Jis Se,
      Subha Ko Wo Saahib-e-Emaan Huwa Phirta Hai,

      Janay Kab Kon Kisay Maar De "Kaafir" Keh Kr,
      Shehar Ka Shehar "Musalman" Huwa Phirta Hai...
      Nice poetry and truth too. When I see Pakistani right wing politicians like Nawaz, Shahbaz, Imran, Fazlur-Rahman, Munawar Hasan, etc … and some so-called religious scholars, this is what I feel about them, that behind cover of dark night their deeds would make Shaitan ashamed, but when they come out showing their face in daylight, they pretend to be pious Muslim.

      Anyhow, coming to topic, what I wrote about corrupts as Jahanumies, it was nothing to do with just Islam, but it was to do with every world religion that believes on after death justice.

      For instance, every religion says that persons would be accountable for all misdeeds they did in this life to others, and that they would have to repay for what they did or get punished by God.

      Corruption is one of the biggest misdeeds anyone in power can do towards people. Due to corruption, they become guilty towards every person they ruled of stealing, atrocities, injustices, misery, pain, hunger, joblessness, and much more wrongs. One of the biggest misdeeds they do is violation of trust (Khyanat).

      [Just imagine simple case: A policceman takes bribe wrongly (so no state revenue is lost). One might think that misdeed is between policeman and person he took bribe. But that is not the case. Policemen took bribe because he is entrusted by natiion with responsibility and power, and that is how he got into position of taking bribe. Thus taking bribe was wrong that policeman did towards whole nation, he violated the trust of nation (did khyanat with power nation entrusted him), and on day of judgement policeman would be answerable to whole nation for that khyanat (khyanat with entrusted power and responsibility)... nation of 180 million people ... and would have to compensate them for the 'khyanat' he has done to their trust. Same is true of all wrongs a person does using state power,

      Same is true if a government official wrongly gave permission for house building, wrong or early electricity connection after taking bribe or favour, wrong admission in college, wrong job appointments, nepotisn, etc, person violates trust of the nation for personal gains or favours, and thus would be accountable for that on judgement day.


      So, people in power would be answerable to every person they ruled and wronged, and not just few. Obviously, paying with good deeds to whole nation of 180 million people one wronged immensely would be almost impossible compare to paying few a person may have wronged in life, and that is the reason, corrupts (in power) are guaranteed to go to hell.


      If you understood what I wrote than it is fine, but if you could not then also it is fine, as every person is answerable for his own deeds. I can only say that ignorance is big bliss but if there would be accountability after death than ignorance would not save anyone from accountability and punishment of judgment day.

      Though I have to admit that there are many who do not even believe that there would be life or accountability after death so for them what I wrote is meaningless.

      I am pretty sure that many, including Pakistani corrupt politicians and bureaucrats, who do not believe on after-death life or accountability, under the cover of night darkness must be silently singing:

      Song of corrupts:

      Ham ko maloom hay qiyamat kee haqeeqat lakin
      Mazlumo kee kushfhami kay liya achcha ho ga

      Mer jayain gay tou phir kia zindah hon gay?
      Yea daranay ka hamay propaganda ho ga

      Dunyia hee hay bus zindagee ka Hasil
      Issi dunyia ko hamay jannat banana ho ga

      Corruption banatee hay hamay ameer-o-kabeer
      Hamay iss corruption ko hee pujna ho ga

      Jo dartay hain hisaboyn aur dozakh say
      Unhay dunyea kee dosakh may rahna ho ga
      Last edited by Sa1eem; Mar 21st, 2013 at 12:46 PM.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Anwer Pasha View Post

      I was thinking that you knew Urdu .
      Kafir keh kay tou nahin maara gaya tha Benazir ko.
      “ A generation which ignores history has no past and no future. ”— Robert A. Heinlein

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      The Suicide bombers are prepared to kill Kafirs .
      They are told that these Sunies are Mushrik ,Shias are Kafir and these leaders are kafirs or agents of Kafirs and they will go direct to heaven after killing them .

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      Quote Originally Posted by Monk View Post
      come on pasha sb, I did not mean it literally.
      It was a symbol.

      Please remove this picture.
      Instead why don't you remove this meaningless thread?

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      Quote Originally Posted by Anwer Pasha View Post
      Har zaban main kuchh adbi batain hoti hain , shairi aur muhawaray .
      Urdu bhi aik aisi hi zuban hay .

      I was thinking that you knew Urdu .
      yaani bibi muhawaratan musalman thi?

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      Quote Originally Posted by Captain1 View Post
      yaani bibi muhawaratan musalman thi?
      ohh meray khuda
      Natqah sar ba greban hay isay kia kahiay
      ناطقہ سر بہ گریباں ہے اسے کیا کہئے.

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      Interesting to see those who call others takfeeri do the same act when it suits them.
      Impress me..with your intelligence and wit. :-)

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      ^^^ Instead of making wild accusations, can you please let us know 'who' you are referring to in your above post as ‘takfeeri’ and in which post you think takfeer was done?

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      Quote Originally Posted by sachaydino View Post
      dekho logo papa Bhutto ka namiz-e-Janaza jo ke ek legally elected prime minister tha
      tum kirthon awam ko kehtay ho qabar parast
      allah na karay tumharay kisi begunah pyaray ka yeh hashar nashar ho
      phir hum dekhengay ke kon qabar parast hay
      Legally elected prime minister bhi mujrim hotay hain...woh farishtay nahi hotay. Aur legally elected to Sheikh Mujib-ur-Rehman tha, jis kay mandate ko Bhutto ney bhi maannay sey inkaar kiya tha.....aur ussay milli bhagat sey hataya gaya tha.


      PPP folks seem to think that since Bhutto was hanged, and Benazir was killed in a terrorist attack, that somehow it means they were innocent. I agree that Bhutto did not get his day in court, and also agree that Benazir's death was a tragedy. But that doesnt change the fact that they committed political crimes on a colossal scale.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Sa1eem View Post
      ^^^ Instead of making wild accusations, can you please let us know 'who' you are referring to in your above post as ‘takfeeri’ and in which post you think takfeer was done?
      Very nice.
      True that calling someone 'takfiri' is not equivalent to calling him 'kafir'.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Anwer Pasha View Post
      ohh meray khuda
      Natqah sar ba greban hay isay kia kahiay
      ناطقہ سر بہ گریباں ہے اسے کیا کہئے.
      aaiyena jo dikhaya to naaraz ho gaye

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      Quote Originally Posted by Sa1eem View Post
      ^^^ Instead of making wild accusations, can you please let us know 'who' you are referring to in your above post as ‘takfeeri’ and in which post you think takfeer was done?
      Calling someone Jahannumi is like taking God's work in to our hand.

      One can criticize all one wants the dead or alive people for their actions, but one cannot sanction final destination to those people.


      In other thread you brought hadiths to support killing of people which I mentioned about three times in that thread is not a good act.
      Impress me..with your intelligence and wit. :-)

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      Quote Originally Posted by Silaaj View Post
      Legally elected prime minister bhi mujrim hotay hain...woh farishtay nahi hotay. Aur legally elected to Sheikh Mujib-ur-Rehman tha, jis kay mandate ko Bhutto ney bhi maannay sey inkaar kiya tha.....aur ussay milli bhagat sey hataya gaya tha.
      I agree ZAB was not an angel neither is you.

      What crime he had committed during his tenure as PM?

      This has been discussed zillions time. Bhutto was not in power to decide. Had Mujib nominated by Yahya Khan, no one would have dared to challenge it.

      Mujib was never given the power, "ussay milli bhagat sey hataya gaya tha" kis ne us ko hataya tha, ya yeh tumhara zehni ikhtelaj hay.


      But that doesnt change the fact that they committed political crimes on a colossal scale.
      What do you mean by political crime? Can you elaborate or name any one committed by ZAB? tum kya jano ke zafran kya hota hay, jab woh kahin se guzarta tha, mauj dar mauj awam ki us ka sirf deedar karnay puhanch jaati thi.

      Politician like IK was just like kindergarten kid to him.

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      Quote Originally Posted by diwana View Post
      Calling someone Jahannumi is like taking God's work in to our hand.

      One can criticize all one wants the dead or alive people for their actions, but one cannot sanction final destination to those people.
      You are absolutely wrong.

      1: Calling someone Jahannumi is not takfeer neither it is taking work of Allah in own hand.

      2: You are right that one cannot sanction final destination to any person, as that only Allah can do.

      3: You are wrong about calling someone Jahannumi ... as one can say that certain acts are acts of Jahannumi, and that anyone guilty of such acts are Jahannumi who will burn in hell forever.

      For instance, one can say that:
      A: Shirk is an act of Jahannumi, Mushriks are jahannumi … and that persons who do Shirk would burn in hell forever.
      B: Zulum is an act of Jahannumi, Zalims are Jahannumi … and that persons who do Zulum would burn in hell forever.
      C: Takfeer is an act of Jahannumi, Takfeeris are Jahannumi … and that persons who do Takfeer would burn in hell forever.

      And so on … and in same way … one can say that:

      D: Corruption is an act of Jahannumi, Corrupts are Jahannumi … and that persons who do corruption would burn in hell forever.

      If you read my post, you will see that I did not specifically named a single person but only wrote that corruption is act of Jahannumi, corrupts are Jahannumi, and that all who do corruption or have done corruption are going to burn in hell forever. … thus there is nothing wrong in my statement.

      If you find that I said anything different than show me and I would repent, but if you could not find that, then I believe, you should apologise, else you would be answerable to me on judgment day for making baseless accusation on me.

      [Note: If I would not name any particular person as dosakhee than it would be because I do not know with certainty that the person is really corrupt or it is just perception. Anyhow, if a person is really corrupt then there is little doubt of him being dosakhee, as his sin is not against ‘right of Allah’ that Allah being most merciful may forgive him, but his sin and guilt is against people like you and me, and obviously 180 million Pakistanis (each one of them) could not forgive corrupts, so dozakh for corrupts is certain (and that certainty is nothing to do with taking decision for Allah as the decision on judgement day for corrupts going to dozakh would be of 180 million people he harmed, deceived, and brought misery to]


      Your referring to other thread:
      In other thread you brought hadiths to support killing of people which I mentioned about three times in that thread is not a good act.
      I advocated that government should fight and kill who are Khwarijees, rather keep making unending negotiation with them. I still stand on that view.

      Actually, in the thread you mentioned, you showed complete ignorance about Khwarijees. I ignored your post because I felt that you are incapable of understanding or you are just pretending that you do not understand. Your ignorance was obvious when you wrote in your post that:

      http://www.paklinks.com/gs/pakistan-...ml#post9478802 (Twin Blasts rock Karachi)

      Just to be correct historically, I said it was more of a political rather than religious conflict. Does not mean there was not a religious conflict. For example they did not believe in head of the state philosophy and said only Allah is the ruler. Also they did not believe in Quresh being superior. Also, they were the one who did not fight at War of Siffin but were angry at Hazrat Ali RA accepting the truce.
      Reading above post, I gave up. Though:

      In above statement, you are not only showing ignorance but most disturbing is that, when you wanted to talk about Khwarijees, at least you could have done some reading and research, but you did not even bothered to do that, rather wrote probably without reading anything.

      Fact different to what you wrote is that:
      Just to be correct historically, I said it was more of a political rather than religious conflict. Does not mean there was not a religious conflict.
      Khwarijees [the one that rose during Ali (RA) time] was entirely a religious movement, rather religious cult. They had no political ambition, political agenda or political interest.

      … For example they did not believe in head of the state philosophy and said only Allah is the ruler. …
      They did believe in head of state philosophy.

      They did believe that 'rule is of Allah alone', but did not believe that ‘Only Allah is ruler’ in literal sense, as it is obvious Allah would not come to earth to rule. What they believed is that ruler (representative of Allah on earth) should only rule according to book of Allah (Quran), what all Muslims believe, but the difference between them and Muslims is in interpretation of Quran.

      … Also they did not believe in Quresh being superior. ...
      They, rather all Muslims believe that Quraish in any respect are not superior or inferior to Muslims, rather superiority of a person depends on his Ilm, Iman, Amaal, Taqwa, and so on.

      Actually, Kharijees themselves were all Arabs from Arabian peninsula though mostly from Najd. But then, it is possible that some might be from Hijaz and Yemen … and it is possible that some amongst them might be Quraish.

      Some people think that since Kufa and Basra is in Iraq, people in Kufa and Basra must be Iraqis, but that is not true. Kufa and Basra were garrison cities established during time of Umar (RA) when Muslims were fighting Persian, and thus inhabitants of Kufa and Basra are mostly Muslim Arabs and their descendants from Arabian peninsula.

      Also, they were the one who did not fight at War of Siffin but were angry at Hazrat Ali RA accepting the truce.
      Khwarijees did fight along with Ali (RA) in battle of Siffin. At that time, they were considered Muslims and part of Ali (RA) army.

      They were upset about arbitration that followed battle siffin. Actually, when facing defeat, Ameer Muawiya raised Quran and asked for arbitration. A group (later to become Khwarijs) in Ali (RA) army, seeing Quran raised, started persuading Ali (RA) to agree for arbitration, but got discontent after realising the deception from Ameer Muawiya under the cover of arbitration, started saying that arbitration was sinful act, started ‘repenting to Allah’ on their initial agreement and persuasion for arbitration, and started asking Ali (RA) to repent too, but when Ali (RA) did not agreed on their interpretation that arbitration was sinful act, and did not agree that he should repent, they left Ali (RA) armed forces.

      It was these people who after leaving army of Ali (RA), started doing Takfeer according to their understanding of Islam (and Quran), and started persecuting and killing Muslims because of their ‘takfeer and understanding of Islam’ (what Pakistani Khwarijees are doing today). Ali (RA) went after them to safeguard Muslims from their ‘fitna’. Ali (RA) tried to talk with this group, and most in the group repented and joined Ali (RA) again. Though some who stayed adamant fought Ali (RA) at Naharwan and were mostly killed.

      [Note: These people are not called Kharijees because they left Ali (RA) army, neither Ali (RA) fought them because they rebelled, or showed aggression against Ali (RA) or attacked Ali (RA) rule.

      Ali (RA) fought them because they started creating fitna with their takfeer, persecution and killing Muslims.]
      Last edited by Sa1eem; Mar 23rd, 2013 at 02:05 AM.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Sa1eem View Post
      You are absolutely wrong.

      1: Calling someone Jahannumi is not takfeer neither it is taking work of Allah in own hand.

      2: You are right that one cannot sanction final destination to any person, as that only Allah can do.

      3: You are wrong about calling someone Jahannumi ... as one can say that certain acts are acts of Jahannumi, and that anyone guilty of such acts are Jahannumi who will burn in hell forever.

      For instance, one can say that:
      A: Shirk is an act of Jahannumi, Mushriks are jahannumi … and that persons who do Shirk would burn in hell forever.
      B: Zulum is an act of Jahannumi, Zalims are Jahannumi … and that persons who do Zulum would burn in hell forever.
      C: Takfeer is an act of Jahannumi, Takfeeris are Jahannumi … and that persons who do Takfeer would burn in hell forever.

      And so on … and in same way … one can say that:

      D: Corruption is an act of Jahannumi, Corrupts are Jahannumi … and that persons who do corruption would burn in hell forever.

      If you read my post, you will see that I did not specifically named a single person but only wrote that corruption is act of Jahannumi, corrupts are Jahannumi, and that all who do corruption or have done corruption are going to burn in hell forever. … thus there is nothing wrong in my statement.

      If you find that I said anything different than show me and I would repent, but if you could not find that, then I believe, you should apologise, else you would be answerable to me on judgment day for making baseless accusation on me.

      [Note: If I would not name any particular person as dosakhee than it would be because I do not know with certainty that the person is really corrupt or it is just perception. Anyhow, if a person is really corrupt then there is little doubt of him being dosakhee, as his sin is not against ‘right of Allah’ that Allah being most merciful may forgive him, but his sin and guilt is against people like you and me, and obviously 180 million Pakistanis (each one of them) could not forgive corrupts, so dozakh for corrupts is certain (and that certainty is nothing to do with taking decision for Allah as the decision on judgement day for corrupts going to dozakh would be of 180 million people he harmed, deceived, and brought misery to]


      Your referring to other thread:

      I advocated that government should fight and kill who are Khwarijees, rather keep making unending negotiation with them. I still stand on that view.

      Actually, in the thread you mentioned, you showed complete ignorance about Khwarijees. I ignored your post because I felt that you are incapable of understanding or you are just pretending that you do not understand. Your ignorance was obvious when you wrote in your post that:

      http://www.paklinks.com/gs/pakistan-...ml#post9478802 (Twin Blasts rock Karachi)


      Reading above post, I gave up. Though:

      In above statement, you are not only showing ignorance but most disturbing is that, when you wanted to talk about Khwarijees, at least you could have done some reading and research, but you did not even bothered to do that, rather wrote probably without reading anything.

      Fact different to what you wrote is that:

      Khwarijees [the one that rose during Ali (RA) time] was entirely a religious movement, rather religious cult. They had no political ambition, political agenda or political interest.


      They did believe in head of state philosophy.

      They did believe that 'rule is of Allah alone', but did not believe that ‘Only Allah is ruler’ in literal sense, as it is obvious Allah would not come to earth to rule. What they believed is that ruler (representative of Allah on earth) should only rule according to book of Allah (Quran), what all Muslims believe, but the difference between them and Muslims is in interpretation of Quran.


      They, rather all Muslims believe that Quraish in any respect are not superior or inferior to Muslims, rather superiority of a person depends on his Ilm, Iman, Amaal, Taqwa, and so on.

      Actually, Kharijees themselves were all Arabs from Arabian peninsula though mostly from Najd. But then, it is possible that some might be from Hijaz and Yemen … and it is possible that some amongst them might be Quraish.

      Some people think that since Kufa and Basra is in Iraq, people in Kufa and Basra must be Iraqis, but that is not true. Kufa and Basra were garrison cities established during time of Umar (RA) when Muslims were fighting Persian, and thus inhabitants of Kufa and Basra are mostly Muslim Arabs and their descendants from Arabian peninsula.


      Khwarijees did fight along with Ali (RA) in battle of Siffin. At that time, they were considered Muslims and part of Ali (RA) army.

      They were upset about arbitration that followed battle siffin. Actually, when facing defeat, Ameer Muawiya raised Quran and asked for arbitration. A group (later to become Khwarijs) in Ali (RA) army, seeing Quran raised, started persuading Ali (RA) to agree for arbitration, but got discontent after realising the deception from Ameer Muawiya under the cover of arbitration, started saying that arbitration was sinful act, started ‘repenting to Allah’ on their initial agreement and persuasion for arbitration, and started asking Ali (RA) to repent too, but when Ali (RA) did not agreed on their interpretation that arbitration was sinful act, and did not agree that he should repent, they left Ali (RA) armed forces.

      It was these people who after leaving army of Ali (RA), started doing Takfeer according to their understanding of Islam (and Quran), and started persecuting and killing Muslims because of their ‘takfeer and understanding of Islam’ (what Pakistani Khwarijees are doing today). Ali (RA) went after them to safeguard Muslims from their ‘fitna’. Ali (RA) tried to talk with this group, and most in the group repented and joined Ali (RA) again. Though some who stayed adamant fought Ali (RA) at Naharwan and were mostly killed.

      [Note: These people are not called Kharijees because they left Ali (RA) army, neither Ali (RA) fought them because they rebelled, or showed aggression against Ali (RA) or attacked Ali (RA) rule.

      Ali (RA) fought them because they started creating fitna with their takfeer, persecution and killing Muslims.]
      So after you acknowledged and agreed that it is God's prerogative to place someone in hell (or heaven), you continued to justify calling and sanctioning someone jahannumi.

      We cannot call anyone jahannumi.

      Even if there are Quran and hadiths saying who might be jahannumi, this does not mean we start using Quran and Hadiths to call fellow human being jahannumi. It is like making God bound to his words.

      God can change the destiny of anyone based on something we do not know.



      Quote Originally Posted by Sa1eem View Post
      I regularly pray to Allah that worse happens to all Pakistani corrupts and Devils who loot, plunder and rape Pakistan, worse then Bhutto, as there was Namaz-e-Janaza for Bhutto, but Devils and corrupts should not even get Namaz-e-Janaza.
      Calling Bhutto a jahannumi, cursing him and denying him namaze janaza is wrong.

      Certainly cursing like this is not allowed in Islam.
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      I stand by what I said in different thread.

      Will be glad to discuss that in the related thread.

      For now, I just wanted to mention you have extremist ideas.
      Impress me..with your intelligence and wit. :-)

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      Quote Originally Posted by diwana View Post
      So after you acknowledged and agreed that it is God's prerogative to place someone in hell (or heaven), you continued to justify calling and sanctioning someone jahannumi.

      We cannot call anyone jahannumi.

      Even if there are Quran and hadiths saying who might be jahannumi, this does not mean we start using Quran and Hadiths to call fellow human being jahannumi. It is like making God bound to his words.

      God can change the destiny of anyone based on something we do not know.
      Here you are saying that God is unjust (Nauzobillah) that he would forgive Zulum of Zalim on Mazloom (as corrupts are Zalim and their Zulum is on Nation ... for Pakistan it is 180 million people)?

      I do not know how much you believe that Allah is just ... and that Zalim would get punished if Mazloom do not forgive him (not Allah, but Mazloom)?

      It is surprising that you feel so upset when I say that a person who do Zulum is Zalim and would end up in Dosakh. I only thought that corrupts would get upset with my that (true) statement, but then, maybe, you took that personal.

      Anyhow, who knows, it seems your beliefs are different than mine, where you think that Allah is Zalim (nauzobillah) and would forgive corrupts regardless of whatever harm their corruption has done to Nation, without even giving justice of decision to people who are wronged ... so I should leave your belief with you.


      Calling Bhutto a jahannumi, cursing him and denying him namaze janaza is wrong.

      Certainly cursing like this is not allowed in Islam.
      Again lies and baseless accusations (Bohtan)... but then you might not have believe that Allah has sent Laanat on Liars and wrong accusers. What can I say?

      It is lie and baseless accusation that I ever called Bhutto a corrupt, a cursed person, or that he should not have had Namaz-e-Janaza.


      From whatever I wrote in any of my numerous posts on this forum or in any forum ... you wrote about me that:
      Calling Bhutto a jahannumi, cursing him and denying him namaze janaza is wrong.

      Certainly cursing like this is not allowed in Islam.
      If you are not LIAR and ACCUSER (Bothan Daraz) than bring out and quote from any of my numerous posts what you are accusing me of saying.

      I know that your English seems Royal where you could not understand simple sentences ... so I am writing in Urdu (hoping that you may understand that).

      May nay yea kaheen bhie or Kaheen bhie nahie kaha kay Bhutto Dosakhee tha, lanatee tha, aur uss ko Namaz-e-Janaza nahi milni Chahiyea thee.

      May nay yea kaha ka Bhutto ko tou Namaz-e-Janaza mili, meri dua hay kay jo corrupts hain unhay Namaz-e-Janaza bhie na milay iss liya ka corrupts dosakhee hotay hain.


      [I never said ever in any of my post (or in life) that Bhutto was Dosakhee or cursed person ... and that he should not have got Namaz-e-Janaza. I only said in this thread that Bhutto did got Namaz-e-Janaza, but I pray that corrupts do not even get Namaz-e-Janaza as corrupts are hell-dwellers.

      My statement was obvious where I approved that Bhutto had Namaz-e-Janaza ... but I prayed that those who are corrupts do not get Namaz-e-Jamaza ... that actually means I do not consider Bhutto was corrupt and wants end of corrupts worse then Bhutto].

      [Actually, it is fact too, that I consider Bhutto of many wrongdoings, unintentional and intentional, but do not consider that Bhutto was corrupt].

      Anyhow, I do not care what you do and how you would answer for your 'lies and wrong accusations' after death ... but I would like you to stop spreading Lies and making baseless accusations about me and my posts.
      Last edited by Sa1eem; Mar 23rd, 2013 at 07:22 PM.

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      One of the fitna of Akharah is spread of lies, deception, propaganda, and accusations. These tools of Shaitan would become so widespread that truth would hide behind these tools of Shaitan and and people would get misguided.

      We should remember that meaning of Dajjal is Liar, deceiver, dhokay-baaz. Al-Mashih-Al-Dajjal means Liar-Mashih who Christians call Anti-Christ (or Liar-Christ, deceiver-Christ).

      People with Dajjal would not be only those who call themselves Christians or Jews, but a large number of Muslims would join Dajjal and his work.

      One should always ask refuge of Allah from fitna of Liars, Deceivers, propagandist, and Accusers.
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