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I think atom is the basic constituent of all matter and hence poison, medicine, stool, urine, bread, perfume,cake and Ice cream should be considered equal.
Dude try making sense once for all in your arguments! Once at least.
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You need a basic course on how to use analogy.. here right analogy would have been breads of different brand.. cakes of different brand apropos different religions.. Only an arrogant person mind arrogance usually comes from cluelessness can consider his ideas abotu anythign as cake and others ideas as poison
Chasing Mirage.. By Tarek Fatah. Must read book for everyone.
So, in this "Original System", a person born in a shudra family was a shudra and a person born in a brahmin family was a brahmin?
And did the newborn's job description remained the same as that of his shudra family or could he do the work of a brahmin if he wished?
But that theory doesn't apply to you in this case cause your own book says:
"The works of Brahmins, Ks.atriyas, Vaishyas, and Shudras are different, in harmony with the three powers of their born nature."
Gita even states that humans are born unequal. LOL! And here you are fooling us by preaching your lies about true Hinduism. But I think its good cause you must update your religion, its in dire need of it. Keep it up!
No it was more likely given they get the respective traingin from childhood but ti was never the comlusion otherwise VIDUR son of a shudra aoman would nto have been the most celebrated mahamantri a job usually taken by brahmins..
"The works of Brahmins, Ks.atriyas, Vaishyas, and Shudras are different, in harmony with the three powers of their born nature." [41]
Its in English.
The term “Varn” has been very frequently used in Bhagavad-Geeta and it has a specific meaning behind to understand. The four stages into which action-the ordained mode of worship-has been divided are the four varn; rather than being caste-names they represent the lower and higher states of the same worshipper. The same path of action has been divided by the sage into four parts: the lowest, medium, good, and excellent. Sri Krishn has named the seekers treading on these paths respectively Shudr, Vaishya, Kshatriya, and Brahmin. Action begins at the level of the lowest, but in the course of his spiritual quest the same seeker can evolve into a Brahmin. Further than this, when he is united with God, there remains neither Brahmin, nor Kshatriya, nor Vaishya, nor Shudr, but only pure intelligence, the eternal and changeless Supreme Spirit. He then transcends all these classes. Sri Krishn says that he has created the four classes. But, as it was pointed out earlier, the classification was on the basis of action rather than according to birth. This can not be classified on the basis of birth because he preaches:
The immortal Soul in the body is a part of mine and it is he who attracts the five senses and the sixth-the mind-that dwell in nature.”
Why should he??
Have u anwsered my questions?
Do you know how many questions i have asked you mate?
So dont push the dude if you cannot anwser someone elses questions yaar.
Newsweek puts an article out and wow! what a long discussion has ensued!
1) there is some truth in the report - I see yoga sproutinng everywhere! this little 2 horse town in Ohio has a yoga place!
2) more and more people - particularly white girls are becoming vegetarians. Not limited to white girls but that is what I am encountering mostly!
3) These guys who used dance and sing in airports (Hare Ram Hare Krishn) are getting money from somewhere! can't be from India
4) American middle class has gotten bored vacationing in Europe I think - or may be it is just too expensive; they are going to more and more to Bali India (and South America ofcourse too) - may be they're picking up some vibes while there
5) Lately I have actually come across two cases where the sons (one is American and the other is French American!) live and work in India and so the parents visit and tour ! as such interaction increases I guess they pick up habits ....that's how tomato came to Asia so why not religion!
You need a basic course on how to use analogy.. here right analogy would have been breads of different brand.. cakes of different brand apropos different religions.. Only an arrogant person mind arrogance usually comes from cluelessness can consider his ideas abotu anythign as cake and others ideas as poison
LOL..
Dude, even a cake or bread (regardless of their brand) can be poison/harmful for many people. You need a course on science before you embark on delicate issues like creating or commenting on an analogy.
Your analogy is flawed. Mine had even more basic item as 'atom'!
The term “Varn” has been very frequently used in Bhagavad-Geeta and it has a specific meaning behind to understand. The four stages into which action-the ordained mode of worship-has been divided are the four varn; rather than being caste-names they represent the lower and higher states of the same worshipper. The same path of action has been divided by the sage into four parts: the lowest, medium, good, and excellent. Sri Krishn has named the seekers treading on these paths respectively Shudr, Vaishya, Kshatriya, and Brahmin. Action begins at the level of the lowest, but in the course of his spiritual quest the same seeker can evolve into a Brahmin. Further than this, when he is united with God, there remains neither Brahmin, nor Kshatriya, nor Vaishya, nor Shudr, but only pure intelligence, the eternal and changeless Supreme Spirit. He then transcends all these classes. Sri Krishn says that he has created the four classes. But, as it was pointed out earlier, the classification was on the basis of action rather than according to birth. This can not be classified on the basis of birth because he preaches:
The immortal Soul in the body is a part of mine and it is he who attracts the five senses and the sixth-the mind-that dwell in nature.”
Brahma-Sutras 1-3-36:
Because purificatory ceremonies are mentioned (in the case of the twice born) and their absence are declared (in the case of the Sudras).
[Note: Purificatory ceremonies like Upanayana (Sacred Thread) etc. are declared by the scriptures to be a necessary condition of the study of all kinds of knowledge or Vidya; but these are meant only for the higher castes (Brahmins, Kshatriyas and Vaisyas). Their absence in the case of the Sudras is repeatedly declared in the scriptures. "Sudras do not incur sin (by eating prohibited food), nor have they any purificatory rights " etc. (Manusmrti 10-12-6). Consequently they are not entitled to the study of the Vedas.]
THE MAHABHARATA, UDYOGA PARVA
sec.XXIX
KRISHNA Says: The following are the duties declared for a SUDRA from the olden times. He should serve the Brahmanas and submit to them; should not study; sacrifices are forbidden to him; he should be diligent and be constantly enterprising in doing all that is for his good. The king protects all these with proper care, and sets all the castes to perform their respective duties.
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Brahmanas and Sudras
From Tulasi Ramayana
Aranya Kanda 32-33 Addressing a Gandharva (Kabandha resurrected as Gandharva)
Sri Rama said: Listen, O Gandharva, to what I tell you: I cannot tolerate an enemy of the Brahamanas (Brahmins). He who without guile in thought, word and deed does service to the Brahmanas (the very gods on earth), wins over Brahma, Siva, Myself and all other divinities.
A Brahmana, even though he curses you, beats you or speaks harsh words to you, is still worthy of adoration: so declare the saints. A Brahmana must be respected, though lacking in amiability and virtue; not so a Sudra, though possessing a host of virtues and rich in knowledge.
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^ LOL... This is exactly opposite of what is being portrayed above.
^ I am just giving you the correct interpretation.
You can mis-interpret Hinduism any way you want, the same way other religions (including Islam) are mis-interpreted.
Forget about bringing Islam here. This is about Hinduism. Again you are resorting to not answering to these examples which clearly contradict your position or assertion.
These were not my interpretations. These are exact copied pasted sentences.
There is no equality of human being in Hinduism based on their birth.
These were not my interpretations. These are exact copied pasted sentences.
Who interpreted it that way ? Was it a Hindu ? A priest ? Or some pseudo expert who knows squat about Hinduism ? What makes him qualified to interpret Hinduism ?
Show me where in the religious texts it says what you have quoted, not some random expert's opinion.
And post links when you are quoting/copying an article.
Dude, even a cake or bread (regardless of their brand) can be poison/harmful for many people. You need a course on science before you embark on delicate issues like creating or commenting on an analogy.
Your analogy is flawed. Mine had even more basic item as 'atom'!
well that can be debated which brand is poisonous and which is not but to equate somethign with poison while other with cake shows extreme prejudice to start with and such closed mind individual are bonafide illiterate
Brahmanas and Sudras
From Tulasi Ramayana
Aranya Kanda 32-33 Addressing a Gandharva (Kabandha resurrected as Gandharva)
Sri Rama said: Listen, O Gandharva, to what I tell you: I cannot tolerate an enemy of the Brahamanas (Brahmins). He who without guile in thought, word and deed does service to the Brahmanas (the very gods on earth), wins over Brahma, Siva, Myself and all other divinities.
A Brahmana, even though he curses you, beats you or speaks harsh words to you, is still worthy of adoration: so declare the saints. A Brahmana must be respected, though lacking in amiability and virtue; not so a Sudra, though possessing a host of virtues and rich in knowledge.
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^ LOL... This is exactly opposite of what is being portrayed above.
Again meaning is lost on those who never read ramayan. brahman means scholar brahmin doesn't mean someone born of brahmin parents..
And yes in hindu religion knowldege shcolarly achivement are worthy of respect.. some exaggeration has bene used to drive home the point but there is no doubt whatsoever that hindu religion does respect scholarship whereever it may come from..
Read with proper meaning and in power context.. i am sure muslims who so often hide behindread into context will not be allergic to contextual reading when ti comes to others holy books..
Forget about bringing Islam here. This is about Hinduism. Again you are resorting to not answering to these examples which clearly contradict your position or assertion.
These were not my interpretations. These are exact copied pasted sentences.
There is no equality of human being in Hinduism based on their birth.
Examples since when a scripture started being judged by examples of its adherents .. Hey don;t I hear ad nauseaum how islam should nto be judged by acts of suicide bombers so why do you stop adhereing to that tenet that scripture should be judged by what they preach not by how their adherents act..
If that would have not been the case mate you wud have nowhere to hide..
Examples since when a scripture started being judged by examples of its adherents .. Hey don;t I hear ad nauseaum how islam should nto be judged by acts of suicide bombers so why do you stop adhereing to that tenet that scripture should be judged by what they preach not by how their adherents act..
If that would have not been the case mate you wud have nowhere to hide..
Same tactice you tried here which is not going to work.
Only the scriptures were quoted dude!
He is going to heaven if he does the dirty work!!!!
Examples since when a scripture started being judged by examples of its adherents .. Hey don;t I hear ad nauseaum how islam should nto be judged by acts of suicide bombers so why do you stop adhereing to that tenet that scripture should be judged by what they preach not by how their adherents act..
If that would have not been the case mate you wud have nowhere to hide..
Same tactice you tried here which is not going to work.
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