sipraomer

A man who doesn't have a stable job and money is neither beautiful nor intelligent. A man who has money is beautiful as well as intelligent.

A son who doesn't do a job and give money to his mother after one month is not a son. A son who earns and gives it to his mother is actually a son.

A husband who works 18 hours a day but can't give a handsome amount of money to his wife is not her husband despite of the fact that he works for 18 hours and tries his best. A husband who takes bribes and gives handsome money to his wife is a good husband.

A society built upon the ideology of Greed. And where people don't appreciate one's effort but the product which the other person is providing, no matter it is from legal ways or illegal ways, is a society I call a failed society full of Pimps.

IntelliPhant

Your statements are true to some extent though overly generalized, for example for an adult man a socially acceptable definition of " beautiful and intelligent" may not be completed with out manifestation of his intelligence in his ability to earn lively hood for his dependents.

Indeed the prevalent culture of materiel acquisition has morally blinded us from discriminating right from wrong.

sipraomer

I was talking that a man with money is seemed important and most of the people don't see that man's age, morality, or how he is earning, while choosing their son in law. They just see money. Where as those men who are struggling , who are talented and work hard are ignored. I mean, why people want guarrantees when they want to marry their daughters. Do they also give guarrnatee that if their son in law faces a tragedy, or accident and looses his job, then will their daughter leave him or stick to him in the time of difficulty. I was pointing out this thing. And how can they just marry off their daughters to old men, for their money. I believe its absurd. And higher middle class families also do this practice. I am not talking only about illiterate people. I think its totally rubbish custom.

sipraomer

The world doesn't give hope to a rising young man. This is nonsense. I totally dis agree to it.

diwana

I do not know what you are trying to say or if just venting your thoughts.

Not sure how old are you but you whole point of discussion speaks of immaturity or denying the role of human being as responsible individuals and like it is said by Intelliphant, is based on over-generalization.

I feel for the pain of any 'man' who cannot provide for his family.


Don't make a family if unable to support.

Don't feel bad if try hard and unable to.

Don't complain and be sarcastic if unable to.

Real man does not look up to the world to be called as 'beautiful'.




By the way the word 'beautiful' is used for a flower or a woman. Mostly its a feminine word.

sipraomer

Alright Alright , handsome. Actually you are not understanding my point. It is not childish if you see it deeply. I am 25 by the way. We concentrate on luxuries. That we should have a house, a good car and a handsome salary and then we will marry. I believe that we should concentrate on basic needs , leave extravagant and showy life and get married as soon as we get a job. And there are many reasons behind it. Read "My Struggle", Auto biography of Adolf Hitler and you will know , why I say what I say.

lilacdreams

Yeah, that's a somewhat realistic (albeit cynical) assessment of how society at large seems to think sometimes...

But I wouldn't call it a failed society purely for that reason, considering all societies have pretty much had their fair share of materialistic fixations. I know we like to think it's an attitude specifically characteristic of our day and age, given that we seem to have so many more gadgets and luxuries than our predecessors... but in truth, humans have dreamed up excesses in every time period, and societies have been built around their glorification from time immemorial. There's no point getting bitter about one of the constantly manifested ills of human nature... what you've gotta do is rise above it. Do what you can with what you have, and be grateful for the fruits of your labor, even if they seem pitiful to others. Work for your own fulfillment, and be consoled with the knowledge that not every human being is as pathetically shallow as you might be tempted to think.

poppies

.............Mein Kampf was quite an intellectual read........extremely Anti Semetic with extreme rightwing fascist views.....Hitler struggled yes........his biography explains how so........to think he went from that to an annihilater....:...

sipraomer

Thanks for getting my point.

tammy8604

Sipraomer, I agree with what you say, and thats how the society is. People want the best for their daughters and they think a rich husband will make their daughters happy. Every parent wants the best for their child. Most mothers I see want the best looking daughter in law regardless of how their son looks. I see so many girls being rejected because they are too fat or too skinny, ugly, not so fair, dark, too short, too tall, , doesnt know how to cook well and soo many other points. I rarely see people judging a guy by his looks.

shazadi Khan

salams,
i agree that we should be financially stable and get married young, its definately true, the dunya gets to ppl and can change them. I do agree the quicker you marry the better for both men and women. Theres just too much fitna in the way.(btw dont take it personally, but its seen as vile reading books written by dictators like hilter. I understand their maybe some good, but just becareful wat you recommend, can cause contraversey)

shazadi Khan

man thats so harsh, its sad that. the prophet SAW , said (parapharasing)that dont look for beauty, as that may destroy you. Looks are not everfin. i know im getting off topic and this might tick some ppl off so, plz try to understand where im coming from.

How is it fair, when MOST, if not all guys fliping mess around, before marriage and are not shareef or decent but want to MARRY DECENT and SHAREEF gals, and somehow even get them.
whereas alot of gals stay way from the haram but have to settle with normal guys, who aint decent or religious. And on top of that gals get rejected for looking a certain way. What on earth is going on? Im sorry guys, this society is totally unfair, maybe its just our culture, islam however is equal, but i feel most men can do wateva and get everfin whereas most gals, dont get what they want.
Sorry but that really annoying (*btw i aint saying all guys are bad, just 90 % of em, and ok not all gals r shareef, plz keep that in mind)

tammy8604

yeah the society is very superficial. Looks and money re the most importnat things these days. Even for girls, ppl look at their financial background and economic status. I see so many rich spoiled brats getting so many proposals and the middle class girls aren't. People try to look for everything in their daughter in law. Beauty and wealth are the criteria for "acchi bahu".

kakaballi

welcome to the free market

http://grainofwheat.blogspot.com/200...-of-jesus.html

The economics of Jesus is very simple. Live sparingly. Don't waste anything. Take only what you need and leave the rest for others. If possible, replenish what you take. Leave things no worse than you found them. And most important, don't become preoccupied with things, because they are not what your life is about.

hareem01

^amazing.

Das Reich

hitler was an upstart ! his autobiography was written to glorify him and his crackpot theories

len deighton has written that hitler was the epitome of the common man quite true he was a commoner with no vision and he destroyed a whole generation of europeans in his madness

Das Reich

This change in muslims happened very early on and though they were warned by asetic and pious sahabas they paid no heed, greed and covetness overcam them.

Today there is hardly any way we can change that, in this respect western societies are less hypocritical than muslim societies.

Slickstar

lol what?It is vital to understand the variety and diversity of the human species, where people glorify in these differences and seeks to give that diversity full expression in a world of freedom. With this comes bout an enormous increase in productivity and in the living standards of everyone, an eminently “practical” result generally scorned by people like you as evil “materialism.”

Arleitter

I think he was `forced' by the surroundings and developments to become what you call an `annihilator'.His deeds were firmly based on the judgements he made on those who forced their writs on Germany.Remember his famous line `I saw my enemies at Nuremberg' right after his meeting with Mr.Chamberline.

goharali

[SIZE=3]The entire world today follows Bacon’s philosophy of modern atomism that is man’s dominion over nature as his right through continued, systematic Research of science. For the material benefit of mankind in general, as man’s purpose on earth, and as God’s commands to Adam. Moral philosophy according to Bacon is man’s persistence in Adam’s first transgression of God’s command in testing the fruits of forbidden tree of the knowledge of good and evil. This philosophy is directly antithetic to revealed religion. Moral philosophy and not natural philosophy for material benefit is the basis of revealed religion. Therefore either the philosophy of revealed religion or this philosophy of Bacon. The two cannot coexist.[/SIZE]