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      Often I’ve heard people saying Hajr-e-Aswad was originally white as far as the color goes… and that as people kept touching and kissing it… it absorbed their sins or turned black because of their sins…

      On the contrary I read some where once Hazrat Omar (R.A) was performing Umrah… he kissed the stone saying I’m kissing you just because my beloved prophet :saw:did it otherwise your nothing but a stone…

      I'm confused how can a stone absorb sins and turn its color... and touching the stone doesn't mean your free from your sins... why do people believe that?

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      No one knows for sure the background to the Black Stone (Hajr-al-Aswad), except for the fact that it was already there when Prophet Ibrahim and Ismael (peace be on them) rebuilt the Ka'bah under the direction of God. As the Ka'bah was a centre of worship centuries before the advent of Prophet Ibrahim (as), it is believed that the Black Stone was part of the original structure. And as the structure fell to ruin over the centuries, traces of the foundation with the Black Stone remained. God directed Prophet Ibrahim (as) to the site of the remaining traces of the foundation and directed him to rebuild the Ka'bah for the purpose of worship.

      Though it had obviously been revered and respected by the previous generations, it should be borne in mind that the Black Stone itself does not hold any spiritual significance at all. The pilgrim may touch or if he can approach near enough, kiss the Black Stone, which is an emotional gesture calling to mind the Prophet (sa) kissed it when he performed circuit. The Holy Prophet Muhammad (sa) did this, not because of any sanctity attached to the stone, but as an expression of his emotion at the Ka'bah, originally constructed by Prophet Ibrahim and his son, Prophet Ismael (peace be on them), having been finally restored to the worship of the One True God, and would henceforth remain dedicated to that worship. Fearing that the Prophet's kissing the Black Stone might be interpreted as ascribing some special virtue to the stone, Hadhrat Umar, the 2nd Khalifa (peace be on him), when performing the circuit, observed: I know this is only a stone no different from other similar stones, and were it not the memory that the Prophet expressed his gratitude to God for His favours and bounties by kissing it, I would pay no attention to it.

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      you have to create some sacred symbols for religen and pilgrimage.
      even if saudis run out of oil still mecca will be visited by muslims
      so money will always pour in to the country. lamb that sacrificed will
      be always source of food.

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      Originally posted by rvikz:
      you have to create some sacred symbols for religen and pilgrimage.
      even if saudis run out of oil still mecca will be visited by muslims
      so money will always pour in to the country. lamb that sacrificed will
      be always source of food.
      two words.... pust-zehniyat
      charah saazon se alag hai mayar mera kay main
      zakham khaaonga tou kuch aur nikhar jaaonga

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      The other day my friend was saying that muslims worship the black stone, like an idol. When I explained its background from what I know of it, he insisted that since its touched and kissed, its being worshipped. *sighz*
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      :up: your friend is right.. no matter what way you slice it, it's still worship of an inanimate object.. why blame Hindus for their tangible representation of supreme beings..??

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      I will differ. Worship is when you pray to something in the hopes that it will solve your problems or give you what you desire. That is different from kissing a stone just because it is kissed by the Prophet :saw:

      Now, if someone kisses Hajr-e-Aswad thinking that stone will fulfil their heart's desire... yes, that is worship. If they kiss it because its a stone from Jannah and was placed their by the Prophet :saw: that won't be considered worship. Not by usual definition of the word.

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      why you have to cirambulate 7 times same way hindus do intheir temples but anti-clockwise. why not 3 times? why onle pray towards one way to onipresent and omnipotent god? so you cant sterilise the religen to such a pagan-free state.

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      Mr rvikz:

      In Arabic, the number 7 has a special meaning. In Holy Quran and also in Ahadith, one can find a lot of use of seven, seventy, seven hundered, seventy thousand etc. Whenever 7 is used, in Arabic it is used to for abundance.

      I think going around Kabbah 7 times should also be taken in the same context.

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      Originally posted by rvikz:
      why you have to cirambulate 7 times same way hindus do intheir temples but anti-clockwise. why not 3 times? why onle pray towards one way to onipresent andomnipotent god? so you cant sterilise the religen to such a pagan-free state.
      Where are mods ???? These hindus go to their level when it comes to Islam. No other religion bother them much.
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      zakham khaaonga tou kuch aur nikhar jaaonga

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      fatehahmad: JazakaAllah bro... but can you back it up with ahadith?

      Faisal: I agree with what you said... but can you provide some more infor regarding it being a stone from jannah? is it mentioned in the Quran or any hadith?

      PakistaniAbroad: A Realization eh' mate! So planning to convert finally?

      Munni: Some of my shia friends insist upon the same... Non-muslims ko phir kia kehna...

      smooth_guy: Ignore his comments yaar as long as they are stupid...

      rvikz: I would appreciate your participation if its to learn or teach some thing good... but i'll request you to stay out of this thread if its something otherwise since the subject has nothing to do with your religion... however i'll encourage you to start a thread of your own to express whatever you may want to...

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      Holy Quran:

      9: 80. Ask thou forgiveness for them, or ask thou not forgiveness for them; even if thou ask forgiveness for them seventy times, ALLAH will never forgive them. That is because they disbelieved in ALLAH and HIS Messenger. And ALLAH guides not the perfidious people.

      31: 28. And if all the trees that are in the earth were pens, and the ocean - seven more oceans to replenish it - were ink, the words of ALLAH would not be exhausted. Surely, ALLAH is Mighty, Wise.

      69: 33. `Then bind him with a chain, the length of which is seventy cubits,


      2: 262. The similitude of those who spend their wealth in the way of ALLAH is like the similitude of a grain of corn which grows seven ears, in each ear a hundred grains. And ALLAH multiplies it further for whomsoever HE pleases and ALLAH is Bountiful, All-Knowing.


      Bukhari:

      Volume 1, Book 2, Number 40:
      Narrated Abu Huraira:

      Allah's Apostle said, "If any one of you improve (follows strictly) his Islamic religion then his good deeds will be rewarded ten times to seven hundred times for each good deed and a bad deed will be recorded as it is."


      Volume 4, Book 52, Number 93:
      Narrated Abu Said:

      I heard the Prophet saying, "Indeed, anyone who fasts for one day for Allah's Pleasure, Allah will keep his face away from the (Hell) fire for (a distance covered by a journey of) seventy years."


      Volume 7, Book 71, Number 606:
      Narrated Ibn 'Abbas:

      Allah's Apostle said, 'Nations were displayed before me; one or two prophets would pass by along with a few followers. A prophet would pass by accompanied by nobody. Then a big crowd of people passed in front of me and I asked, Who are they Are they my followers?" It was said, 'No. It is Moses and his followers It was said to me, 'Look at the horizon.'' Behold! There was a multitude of people filling the horizon. Then it was said to me, 'Look there and there about the stretching sky! Behold! There was a multitude filling the horizon,' It was said to me, 'This is your nation out of whom seventy thousand shall enter Paradise without reckoning.' "Then the Prophet entered his house without telling his companions who they (the 70,000) were. So the people started talking about the issue and said, "It is we who have believed in Allah and followed His Apostle; therefore those people are either ourselves or our children who are born m the Islamic era, for we were born in the Pre-lslamic Period of Ignorance.'' When the Prophet heard of that, he came out and said. "Those people are those who do not treat themselves with Ruqya, nor do they believe in bad or good omen (from birds etc.) nor do they get themselves branded (Cauterized). but they put their trust (only) in their Lord " On that 'Ukasha bin Muhsin said. "Am I one of them, O Allah's Apostle?' The Prophet said, "Yes." Then another person got up and said, "Am I one of them?" The Prophet said, 'Ukasha has anticipated you."


      Volume 8, Book 75, Number 319:
      Narrated Abu Huraira:

      I heard Allah's Apostle saying." By Allah! I ask for forgiveness from Allah and turn to Him in repentance more than seventy times a day."

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      well, i dont know abt absorbing sins (coz it doesnt make any sense to me and we havent been told anything abt it), but i dis hear that Hajre-aswad was white in the beginning....also what Hazrat Omer (RA) said is true.....

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      i believe that hajr-e-aswad is a blessed stone sent from paradise and it did have white patches on its surface before it was placed next to kaaaba nd' people's sins were absorbed into it turning those white patches black.

      i found 2 quotes from mb-soft.com and understanding-islam.com stating the following:

      " 1) The Kaaba houses the Black Stone, the most venerated object for Muslims. Probably of meteoric origin, the stone is reputed to have been given to Ishmael by the angel Gabriel"

      " 2) It is a widely held Muslim belief that Hajr-e-Aswad (the black stone) is a stone from paradise and bears some white marks at its face. It is further believed that these white marks or spots will turn black as the judgment draws near."
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      Originally posted by PakistaniAbroad:
      :up: your friend is right.. no matter what way you slice it, it's still worship of an inanimate object.. why blame Hindus for their tangible representation of supreme beings..??
      and whoever told u the muslims worship that thing??

      next we'll hear u say muslims worship earth as they do sajda on it
      Both Halal & Haram r evident but between them r doubtful things, most ppl have no knowledge about them. So whoever saves himself from suspicious things saves his religion & honor, & whoever indulges in suspicious things indulges in Haram.

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      fatehahmad: Thanx for these Ahadith... but I meant those Ahadith which support the history you gave for the black stone...

      #let uz chat#: Not good enough man... any hadith or verse from the Quran! what you told still remains just another story...

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      Do you just kiss it, or lick it too? Don't you think with airborne diseases, it is unsanitary to engage in such activities? Anyway, a stone is just a piece of rock, and it is a garbage practice to kiss it because the Prophet did so.

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      ^
      so u think the Prophet's :saw: practices were garbage????

      might as well rethink the practices of ur leader who died doing the slam dunk in the toilet
      Both Halal & Haram r evident but between them r doubtful things, most ppl have no knowledge about them. So whoever saves himself from suspicious things saves his religion & honor, & whoever indulges in suspicious things indulges in Haram.

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